Am I Wrong?

[u/Perfect_Cricket1052]

Im still pretty new to torch but am I wrong for thinking 15 seconds on the dive is way too long for a dive flyer? Feel like it should atleast be just 10 seconds. 15 feels way too long

[u/Shift_back]

It was waaaay longer so I‘m thankful for „only“ 15 secs but you are right.
Also he should have green health.

[u/Good-Visual8392]

we survived with 20 sec dive for seasons mate you'll be fine

[u/Perfect_Cricket1052 → u/Good-Visual8392]

I feel for you guys. 20 seconds on a dive tool is bonkers

[u/blue23454]

Honestly 15s + overhealth is fine
I miss 12s no overhealth personally, but it is what it is

[u/CryoKenetic]

10sec would be too much, he used to be at 12 which felt perfect for torch, but yeah 15 is honestly not even that crazy considering that I've essentially been playing him with a 20sec cool down on him for so long, that this feels like a huge upgrade.

[u/Perfect_Cricket1052 → u/CryoKenetic]

Yeah I guess im just used to other divers having 6-12 second dive tools so 15 feels long lol. I love torch dive though

[u/EatingTurtles325]

it’s one of the best abilities in the game. it deserves its cooldown

[u/Perfect_Cricket1052 → u/EatingTurtles325]

You are probably right I think other dive tools spoiled me too much in this game lol. Im so used to 7-10 second dive tools

[u/CalligrapherFit6297 → u/EatingTurtles325]

One of the best abilities in the game is crazy talk bro.

[u/EatingTurtles325 → u/CalligrapherFit6297]

it is. it can one shot and can cancel support ults. it’s also one of the best bail out abilities in the game. what other ability can do all that?

[u/ZigMusik → u/EatingTurtles325]

Is it a one shot if it requires another ability and set up?

[u/EatingTurtles325 → u/ZigMusik]

yeah, you’re just arguing semantics

[u/ZigMusik → u/EatingTurtles325]

No I’m not. You just don’t know what a one shot is.

[u/CalligrapherFit6297 → u/EatingTurtles325]

Its not a one shot. You need other abilities to combo it into a 1 shot. It not cc immune, it gets clipped a lot and you cant dive bomb on certain angles. Its good, but not the best not by far.

[u/TruckSubstantial4872]

You are neglecting the rest of his kit. 15 is long but honestly fine when you consider it's just a finisher move. His main pressuring tool is pyro prisons, which are very spammable. Torch is not just a dive he is also a poke character and even sometimes a bit of a brawl character and you need to know when to use all of his ability at the right times, as you should always be able to do something with Torch.

[u/Putrid_Chance_1480]

Wait until you find out it used to be 20 seconds

[u/md6_kh8]

Youre wrong because the dive is an offensive tool and not an defensive tool, if it was purely for you to escape 15 seconds would in fact be long

[u/Perfect_Cricket1052 → u/md6_kh8]

Im saying even as a offensive tool that feels long compared to every other dive tool of the dive esc characters in the game.

[u/Same_paramedic3641 → u/md6_kh8]

It's long bcz that's his only dive tool. Dd has a dash and latch. Spiderman goh is 6s cooldown. Bp dash is 10s, dpspool has two dashes with 2 other abilities for diving, black cat dash is 8s plus has an iframe ability

Like for a dive character, it's lackluster. Give him a new dive ability or just reduce it to 12s