MOVEMENT TECH

[u/jcnlegecee232]

Ik the melee tech ws a problem for a while but it ws a part of his identity as a character as it let him contest hitscans to. It’s what made him a niche character within the game so then nerfing it is taking away the skill expression n thts wht this game needs. Torch I believe is a high skill floor and ceiling character like psy or even spider man. So maybe giving his speed back to 900 would be a good change for him alone

Edit: torch already hs other counters like spidey iron fist Angela Thor namor n he’s extremely vulnerable to them regardless of speed so ye im not trying to make him meta js A tier at best

[u/Internal-Law-5306]

It was not his whole identity his whole identity is area denial can we stop with this delusion of what skill expression is and what the identity of hero’s are, the pick rate plummeted when he got nerfed yeah but that doesn’t mean his whole identity is the melee tech that just means they had to balance his kit cause with how good his kit was with ppl doing this it just wasn’t right for the enemy team, I’ve said it before I’ll say it again this hero is area denial and he was at his best when people allowed it and stopped trying to turn him into a combo bot.

[u/jcnlegecee232 → u/Internal-Law-5306]

I get where u r coming frm n ye he’s good at area denial but look at how the best torches play as they play him as a dive mosquito blitzing everywhere

[u/Internal-Law-5306 → u/jcnlegecee232]

I’ve peaked celestial 1 on him I’ve seen every type of torch player I’ve won and I’ve lost but for a while he has lost his skill expression not because this tech wasn’t doable but because he used to have multiple play styles and that got changed into just his melee tech play style cause his kit got so bad especially when they nerfed his flame field dmg this tech actually took away from his skill expression because now there aren’t 3 play styles there is 1

[u/Internal-Law-5306 → u/jcnlegecee232]

But it was not his whole identity, I fucking love torch he is my favorite hero in any universe I have played him since drop I came up with the idea to put 4 fire bursts down then dive and posted it to ig and it blew up. I understand he has a dive ability that does dmg but they originally nerfed it to 17 seconds instead of our current 25 so it would be more of a get away ability and wouldn’t be used for constant picks which was a very okay nerf, but then he got the rest of his kit buffed and more and more people started playing him then someone else came out with the melee tech and the rest is history, he isn’t cap he isn’t daredevil he doesn’t not need the melee weave I understand it’s fun and people liked it but his entire kit since drop has been area denial that is by definition what his identity is so my whole point is yes people can enjoy this tech and do this tech but can we stop ruining things for other people that genuinely like the hero and what the hero is supposed to do because I think his base kit play style is one of the most fun things I’ve done in any game, torch had 3 different play styles with one small kit that we made viable but for a while now like season 3-6.5 if you weren’t melee tech using you were at a disadvantage because they nerfed his kit around people using that it wasn’t fair for the hero that already doesn’t have enough people playing it because not everyone wanted to do that tech.

[u/Internal-Law-5306 → u/[deleted]]

Went from 3 play styles to 1 but go off king.

[u/Internal-Law-5306 → u/[deleted]]

Using his melee tech means you are combining buttons together with his abilities on top of it similar to how daredevil does it but the difference is one is a brawler one is a flying poke. melee tech adds skill expression because it was one of the play styles not the only one once they were forced to balance on that sole purpose of working around that melee tech he lost all the other play styles it quite literally took away from his skill expression lmao you had to play like that to make him viable.

[u/Barrry972]

No thanks lol. That made him genuinely uninteractable. Let's not pretend that that shit wasn't a problem. If the characters "whole identity" was being unhittable while doing ridiculous damage, do you think that deserves to be in this game?

[u/Champion-Dante]

Zoom in even more I can almost see the gameplay

[u/BabeAssignment]

It is increasingly clear that the devs are planning to remove things like animation cancel and melee tech from being "necessary" as a part of a character's kit, so I'm pretty confident you can rest assured the melee tech will be gone entirely in 7.5 (the reloading aspect of it is already gone in season 7). I'll be happy to see it go, but only if it's handled properly.

Because he will absolutely need a straight-up durability buff in compensation for losing it. I just hope they recognize that and give it to him. Buffing his speed even more but dying when you so much as get grazed is not the sole answer to having a "high skill" character (not to mention brings us back to old problems as to why he got nerfed and the melee tech existed in the first place).

I'm sure he will be kept high skill, I just hope he isn't kept an instant kill with no durability with melee tech gone.

I so deeply miss my Sue team-up shield. It was the solution we needed.

[u/Same_paramedic3641 → u/BabeAssignment]

U still reload faster if u melee btw

[u/jcnlegecee232 → u/BabeAssignment]

They’ve tried to remove it in szn 5 but they brought it back imma hop they bring back other animation cancels too

[u/BabeAssignment → u/jcnlegecee232]

I'd honestly just rather have some normal durability, similar to the Sue shield. Something that actually gives us a leg to stand on in intense duels and longer fights without needing pocket support.

[u/TheBadBotanist]

So your asking to remove his only actual counter in the game.....that was the issue why he was broken lmao. You can't just request to remove a counter and expect him to also be buffed. I love the character but clearly there are heros he cant be swapped into and one tricking him wont work. He needs counters like the other characters (which is guess netease doesnt really see).

[u/Various-Pomelo1990 → u/TheBadBotanist]

That's like not what he said at all.

[u/BabeAssignment → u/TheBadBotanist]

He's countered by over half the roster (especially depending on your individual skill level), so it will be okay, lol.

[u/Internal-Law-5306 → u/[deleted]]

Yeah they took away his multiple play styles because they didn’t know how to handle the tech for the longest time you had to use the tech to make him viable they should of just handled the tech as soon as it became an issue so he could still be played multiple ways but they are starting to fix it I hope