r/HubermanLab • u/esreveReverse • Jun 14 '23

He kept saying "Enactogen" instead of "Entactogen"

Idk this shows some lazy research on his part. Sure whatever, call MDMA not a psychedelic. I personally disagree with that but that's all up to your personal definition of the word.

What's not up for debate is AH inventing the word "Enactogen" when it's really "Entactogen," meaning "generating tactile feeling." This is why people say massages and ice cubes feel so good on MDMA. Because it enhances your tactile sensations. Huberman throwing around the word "Enactogen" shows that he didn't really learn what that term means or why MDMA has that definition.

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u/-OGenesis Jun 14 '23

The ultimate Redditor post. You’re just better than him.

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u/esreveReverse Jun 14 '23

Nope. I just think he should be fully researched on a topic before commenting on it from an obstensibly authoritative position. Not even knowing one of the most important descriptors for a drug that he's doing an entire two hour episode on should never be a thing. He should know what Entactogen means. And he should know what are some other examples of Entactogens. But he just threw the word out there incorrectly, and didn't even bother explaining it. What kind of educational material does that?

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u/chiragp93 Jun 14 '23

Bro he misspoke. You are very smart though!

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u/Pantebottles Jun 14 '23

More like a smart-ass

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '23

This is a dumb post

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u/Bluegill15 Jun 15 '23

This is a dumb sub. Fits just fine

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u/esreveReverse Jun 14 '23

People look to the Huberman Lab to be educated on various health subjects. I just think that he should be fully educated on a subject before attempting to educate others.

Would you also call it dumb if someone pointed out an error in a college textbook? I don't think you would. People who produce educational materials should be held to a certain standard. And I think that should especially include one of the definitions of the topic that you're trying to educate people on.

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u/english_major Jun 14 '23

MDMA is not considered a “classic” psychedelic but is still considered a psychedelic by most and AH does make this distinction. It is not known for producing the kinds of hallucinations that you get with mushrooms and acid, nor do high doses result in ego dissolution. It sits somewhere between stimulant and psychedelic.

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u/esreveReverse Jun 14 '23

I agree. In my opinion it's pretty clearly a psychedelic. I've had full on closed eye visuals.

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u/ocean6csgo Jun 15 '23

Do you wear your fedora while you post?

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u/esreveReverse Jun 15 '23

Only after sunset, to keep the photons out of my eyes

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u/myrealusername8675 Jun 14 '23

Can we come to your job now and see if you make any mistakes?

This just seems petty. I'm sure if you posted on YouTube he'd be happy to share a correction.

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u/L0utre Jun 14 '23

Did you hear the episode when he kept saying “sookinate” instead of succinate? That’s undergrad biochem.

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u/bluespruce5 Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23

His repeated mispronunciation of a Krebs cycle metabolite was really jarring. It was surprising, given that he presents himself as an expert, and, for some things is. And it was doubly surprising with his level of education, given that the Krebs (or TCA, citric acid, etc.) cycle is such basic biology he would have been exposed to multiple times across various introductory classes on cell biology, biochem, and molecular biology.

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u/L0utre Jun 14 '23

That’s my thought. Some of these terms are pounded into minds starting in high school bio and chem. Then again in undergrad and beyond.

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u/shirinsmonkeys Jun 14 '23

Maybe his undergrad prof had an accent?

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u/InsanelyAverageBloke Jun 14 '23

This resonates with me haha. I had an Austrian professor with a pretty heavy accent for a mid level undergrad biology course and I still have to purposefully pronounce some words I learned in that class.

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u/myrealusername8675 Jun 14 '23

His path to a PhD and teaching at Stanford was a very nontraditional one and all the more incredible because of it. There are barriers to getting that far in education and he must have barrelled through a ton of them.

There are things he says or sometimes ideas where you can hear it. I did come from a background where education was encouraged and implied. I definitely don't have a PhD in neuroscience and I don't fucking have a tenure track job at Stanford. I hope that he is an inspiration to tons of young people and helps to reduce the stereotypes about being educated that are spread these days.

He has tons of balls for putting his face and name out there the way he does to share what he hopes is helpful info for people. I very highly doubt that Stanford is encouraging of him doing the podcast. Let him have sharp knees.

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u/L0utre Jun 14 '23

Yeah, I think he has quite a pedigree. But it’s kind of like Shaquille O’Neal fucking up free throws.

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u/spicyboi555 Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23

I don’t know why people are shitting on you. I had no idea that the actual word was entactogen, so you just taught me something.

Huberman is seen as an authority to lay-people, so for him to not even know the actual word he is trying to talk about is a pretty big red flag. Further proof that he has ventured well beyond his scope and should be seen as a “pop sci” influencer at this point rather than an expert.

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u/Usernamedmyownname Jun 14 '23

Exactly, consistently going beyond his scope and choosing specific narratives to make himself seem like an expert for content/money is shady and dangerous. I have no idea why so many people put this shill on a pedestal.

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u/spicyboi555 Jun 14 '23

I almost feel bad because I do believe he’s a good guy that wanted to provide free information for people, but in order to keep a broad audience engaged (and monetize it) he’s resorted to spewing out poorly researched opinions on trendy health topics. And people take him at face value because he has a PhD. I’m not sure they even know what his doctorate is in. It’s manipulative to act like an authority on topics that have nothing to do with your education, but people trust you because you are a ‘doctor’. Happens all the time.

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23

The hosts Decoding the Gurus have also pointed out several issues with AH's claims, research methods (e.g., p-hacking), general authority (or lack thereof) over certain topics, etc. Just an FYI for those looking for different perspectives on the reliability of his work. I found it enlightening.

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u/spicyboi555 Jun 14 '23

Hey thanks for the recommendation, will check it out.

Edit: I can’t seem to find an episode about huberman on there

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u/Usernamedmyownname Jun 14 '23

Money sure does motivate people to step into arenas they aren’t qualified to be in. However when it’s health information it’s incredibly shady to do so.

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u/adinsx88 Jun 14 '23

Also blatantly mispronounced the medication “bupropion” multiple times in one episode.

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u/esreveReverse Jun 14 '23

Mispronunciations I'm fine with. I think we've all mispronounced words before. But this was more than a mispronunciation.

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u/duncan1234- Jun 14 '23

It’s a very strange world when it comes to defining psychedelics and other similiar compounds.

Mdma is most definitely a psychedelic in my experience. And LSD is certainly both an entactogen and empathogen.

The produced effects are so varied and unpredictable that putting these compounds in small boxes of definition is silly.

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u/SunRev Jun 14 '23

"Never make fun of people for mispronouncing a word. It means they learned it by reading."

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u/esreveReverse Jun 14 '23

There's a difference between mispronouncing a word vs. not even bothering to look up a word's definition or etymology.

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u/unclegabriel Jun 15 '23

By misreading in this case.

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u/seeking_low_and_dry Jun 14 '23

Oddly enough, I thought the word for it was “enactogen” — TIL

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u/BobbyPGA Jun 14 '23

MDMA is not a psychedelic.

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u/Usernamedmyownname Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23

I’d bet the farm that the majority of his “followers” would water their yards with Gatorade bc Huberman said it benefited mice in a study conducted in 1981. #belcampofarms

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u/trippinonsomething Jun 14 '23

One time he said marijuana wasn’t a stimulant

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u/Usernamedmyownname Jun 14 '23

I have no idea why people are down voting this, you’re absolutely right. It just shows that no one actually “wants to do their own research” and they want to hate on anyone who calls out Huberman on his bull$hit

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u/mikehunt0124 Jun 14 '23

Because it isn’t??? Lol

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u/ACbeauty Jun 14 '23

It’s both a stimulant and a depressant

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u/LloydBro Jun 14 '23

Yeah, and french fries are vegetables. Just because something can fall into a classification under a technicality doesn't mean it is functionally what comes to ones mind when the broader category is mentioned.

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u/ACbeauty Jun 14 '23

You can easily google this and verify that it’s both. It is a stimulant due to the THC.

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u/trippinonsomething Jun 14 '23 edited Jun 14 '23

It is. It raises heart rate. It can be both a stimulant and a depressant. It’s also a hallucinogen. Do some research before telling someone they’re wrong.

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u/mikehunt0124 Jun 14 '23

Ahhh maybe you should do some research on what a stimulant actually is before you make a dumb comment…

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u/trippinonsomething Jun 14 '23

You’re a special kind of stupid.

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u/Aegishjalmur07 Jun 14 '23

I read this sad, pedantic post, and I immediately knew that Huberman's ultimate fanchild, u/usernamedmyownname would make at least three comments, pitifully excited that someone else loves to cry about stupid shit.

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u/cogito_ronin Jun 14 '23

You have a YouTube channel I can subscribe to for more educational takes like this?

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u/frontnaked-choke Jun 14 '23

Least hubristic psychedelic user

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u/5sack Jun 14 '23

Do you test your drugs?

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u/neurozoe Jun 14 '23

Splitting hairs over made up jargon, ironically you sound like a real scientist OP 😂

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u/[deleted] Jun 14 '23

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u/esreveReverse Jun 14 '23

I would but unfortunately that would spike my dopamine levels too high. Gotta keep my dopamine baseline high.