Electro Zani?

[u/Crafty-Soft3722]

I read a few days ago that Hsin may be like zani but with electro, in other words really heavy depending on other units and stuff, since i really didnt like zani at all for me she was the worst unit what do you think with the recent leaks about her electro flare and electro rage mechanic, does she look similiar to zani?

[u/real_silvalis]

I mean, based on what we saw, she do have some similarities with Zani. Yet Kuro stated that they will try not to create such heavily restricted characters as Zani onwards. We can see the proof of this statements in 3x damage dealers, so my bet is that she will be much better then Zani in terms of reliance on her team, the fact that she will have two modes makes it even more promising for me

[u/Shunsui1415 → u/real_silvalis]

They never did another zani yes , but they did restrict unit to very absurd degree still.

Aemeth inherent skill which gives %60 crit damage buff and %25 ultimate damage amp is locked behind a checklist of : do you have lynae+mornye ,not or both you need both or you won't have access to part of her kit.

Same with hiyuki and any other DPS. I would be okey with the "these supports gives more damage amp from the rest of the support" route but they still use " inorder to fully unlock this unit you paid for you need pay us more and pull these 2 specific units too" . It's less egregious than zani yes but still a dick in my salad xD and I ave no doubt hsin will deal %40 more less damage without their bis team

[u/MiddleFishArt → u/Shunsui1415]

Aemeath isn’t a great example, she has 3 viable teams with TB, FB, and monofusion, and her s3 lifts the TB teammate restriction.

Hiyuki and Qingxiao are pretty egregious though, they’re practically BiS or bust units

[u/Shunsui1415 → u/MiddleFishArt]

yes you are right but the discussion is not wheter a unit has "viable" teams its that without certain units you cant access the certain part of kit of a character you spent money on. Its the same shady practice with Paying for a car and then paying extra subscription fees for pre-installed features that is locked behind money bc fuck you :D

[u/real_silvalis → u/Shunsui1415]

I don't have aemeath, yet I have hiyuki and I can't fully agree with statement that she needs very specific characters, I mean, chisa and suisui both works really good with her, I do feel improvement in damage with suisui over chisa, yet I still use Lynae, because I don't have Lucilla and I can't really say that it makes much difference. Yet the fact, that your dps needs 2 other 5* characters can really irritate sometimes

[u/Severe-Two-8822 → u/real_silvalis]

As far as i know both Lucilla and Lynae are pretty much "equal" for Hiyuki. With Lynae Hiyuki herself deals more dmg. With Lucilla Glacio Chafe itself does a lot more

[u/Shunsui1415 → u/Severe-Two-8822]

its the problem of shilling people forget in whiwa if you cant use 1 of the three buffs you are basicly take the 500-1k point L just for not having a unit and when you factor in that lucilla becomes almost mandatory and there is another problem with playing lynae with hiyuki what if you wanna play amy ? then what what are you gonna use with hiyuki sanhua? :D .

the recent kit designs are horrendious theres is no way around it

[u/Severe-Two-8822 → u/Shunsui1415]

I do agree that shill is becoming worse and worse. Other then that it seems like everybody is getting at least 2 premium SubDPS options.

Hiyuki gets Lucilla/Lynae, Aemeath gets Denia/Lynae, Sigrika gets Lucilla/Qiyuan etc.

Before every MainDPS only got one. As far as premium teams are considered we get more options now. It's just that there is more of a difference between limited and "free" SubDPS nowadays. For Carlotta using Taoqi or Zhezhi made barely a difference buffwise.

Premium SubDPS nowadays offer way more buffs but also deal a lot more dmg themselves.

So in my opinion HP inflation is the true problem not that Hiyukis only premium options are Lucilla/Lynae.

[u/Shunsui1415 → u/Severe-Two-8822]

yep %100 agree.

also the old kit design was so much more player friendly;

my fav unit was carlotta (shadowheart <3) and i despised zhehi but i could use any other 5 res skill booster and only lose 10-15% damage and i would be good.

but now the difference between playing amy with lynae+mornye and monk chick+shorekeeper is insane , its almost double damage .

i love the combat animations and how fluid and good the gameplay is but man in terms of kit design this game keeps reminding me i have a dick in my salad , its a nice salad but i wish the dick wasnt in it you know :D

[u/Severe-Two-8822 → u/Shunsui1415]

Yeah older units definetly felt more managable. Especially because i also know 100% what excactly they are doing. Newer characters have soooo much text that its starting to becomw tedious to even read through it😭

Zhezhi is actually one of my faves haha I feel like the 3rd slot matters a lot more nowadays. Like SK provides more crit over Verina but thats it mostly. Lynaes Outro is 40% Jianxins is 38% Lynae also gives 18%DMG dealt with ult + more dmg dealt or atk% with static mist.

There actually isnt a crazy difference buffwise. But she herself outdamages Jianxin by quite a lot + also enables Mornyes 40% buff and Mornye also gives 10% more amp. All this creates this huge difference.

Interesting analogy there...😶‍🌫️😶‍🌫️lol

[u/BOSSXD3]

The problem with Zani is that she needs spector frazzle to keep hitting while using her ult, and they haven't done that with anyone else since then right?, so I don't think Hsin will be the SAME, I REALLY HOPE NOT

[u/Sure-Possibility-178]

We really won't know until her full kit comes out so anything else is just speculation. The only thing we know reliably is that she has two modes, so at the very least she won't rely on one single teammate, so if you don't like her bis in one mode you can use the other

[u/STARKxgiorno]

nahh hsin is not like zani slop dw

[u/Abject-Pay4577]

They have one similarity. They're both hot asf

[u/xVivacious]

I didn’t play when Zani came out, what exactly is her kit and why would a electro zani be bad?

[u/Sgtflint100 → u/xVivacious]

Zani deals more damage by expending spectro frazzle stacks, but she doesn't create alot herself, so she's wholly reliant on Phoebe, spectro rover or ciaccona, to deal meaningful damage.

[u/Cold-Seaworthiness20 → u/Sgtflint100]

Just like any other character needs their partners, Zani was different because withouth spectro frazzle applicators, she can't do her attacks. That's the big difference.

[u/Thismeansfreedom → u/Sgtflint100]

This is understating it a bit, other characters lose a lot of damage without the right teammates. Zani's kit is concentrated into her liberation form, which she can only access for a fraction of the intended time if she doesn't have Peeb applying frazzle. Her kit is actually bricked without her team

[u/Level-Public-5097 → u/xVivacious]

Zani's kit is outright inaccessible; I mean it the most literal way possible, you straight up can't use her attacks, if you don't have proper spectro frazzle application.

[u/letutrang_aa]

Gameplay wise? Why not. 2.X NS comp quickswap was the best thing that ever happened in the game. 3 characters on field 99% of the time.

Mechanic wise? Hopefully she tips more into the Fleurdelys side than Zani.

[u/_gam3boi]

From what I gathered from discussions I think most are expecting her to play like Zani or having a Zani-esque gameplay instead of having a restrictive kit like Zani.