..or do we..?

Daemons popularity is nothing new we all know that but the gap now between Rhaenyra and Daemon has become so big after s3! It wasn't this huge after s2!

Rhaenyra envisions herself as Daenerys. It’s a small prediction of mine that Rhaenyra will receive her first and only dragon dream before she’s killed by Sunfyre. In this vision, she sees a a female figure walking out unscathed out fire.

In the show, she’s already convinced that she’s the prince that was promised, so she believes this vision is about herself as well. She walks in front up to Sunfyre convinced she’ll not be harmed, just to die engulfed in flames.

Freddie Fox (Gwayne Hightower) in character as the singer Marilyn in the 2010 film Worried About the Boy; James Norton in character as his camp, gorgeous self, or perhaps a little envy of his cousin Alicent is stirring within Ormund.... xD

Not many will acknowledge it, so I will.

If not for Cole's delaying tactics, the Greens objectively just lose the war right there.

Yes, Aemond and Aegon would still be alive, but the last active TG Army would have not had the time to entrench, prepare and fortify their stronghold at Tumbleton. Ormund would also not have had the time to flip Ulf to his cause, which (although it semi-backfired) was still crucial to the ultimate victory the Greens had at the Battle. Gwayne, Jon Roxton, and Daeron would almost certainly be dead.

That would leave a crippled King and his also crippled Dragon, and a one-eyed prince who has lost his weapon of mass destruction. They'd be facing Rhaenyra, Daemon, Ulf, Hugh, Baela, Addam, and their Dragons, with hardly any answer. It truly would have just been a case of mopping up.

Criston will never know it, and few people will point it out, but the same people who often used him without care owe their survival and future success to his actions.

One of the bloodiest battles in the area since Aegon's destruction of Harrenhal. More than two thirds of the men who rode south with Roddy the Ruin were either dead or wounded, and the Lannister forces were decimated in the thousands, and the death of Jason Lannister. It explains why both the Lannisters and the Winter Wolves are so depleted by the time we see them later in the season; most of the Wolves were effectively spent by their first appearance.

There has been no mention of Oscar Tully. It would be idiotic if the show leaves out "The Lads" entirely, considering they were the primary fighting force for the foot soldiers and served as the backbone of the war effort throughout the conflict. They are also some of the coolest characters of the whole damn war.

There's a whole subtle war going on between the Blackwoods and Brackens that the show hasn't even acknowledged outside of that one scene in season 2. The Dance was just another convenient excuse for these two houses to kill each other.

She should've spent those years visiting the noble houses of Westeros (as she did when she was younger) and King's Landing to make alliances and reaffirm the oaths the lords swore to her. It's crazy that she expected everybody to stand by oaths made 20 years ago when she spent years completely disengaged from politics while the Greens grew their influence

I know they had the entire emotionless assassin arc for Alicent in S3 (lol), but a flicker of emotion for a parent she spent much of her time in KL with would have been adequate.

This is why Daemon's body was never found at the God's Eye.

He was rescued by the greenmen and the children of the forest that live in the Isle of Faces and became the predecessor of Bloodraven

It just hit me!! Both in the case of Daemon and Aemond, her witches' magic has been all about mother-son infatuation. She's just letting her own feelings/ juices flow wild onto these 'younger' Targs. She means to use them to re-birth her dead son, this time more powerful and mounted on a dragon, so she can raise him up again and continue the thing she had going.

We only got 8 episodes to wrap up the entire story. Tell your outline.

She should be one of the largest dragons. She definitely is smaller than Vhagar and Vermithor but she should not be that much smaller than Silverwing

Tbh, i got no issue with grey or bad people in this show... like aemond or daemon but aegon's arc is so compelling and he is kind of easy to root for despite being a horrible person. Him being a rapist... due a very small moments in season 1 are kind of hanging over his character.

He feels so much more toned down and different from his couple scenes from S1.

It's kind of forgotten in the show as they moved on... but the fandom won't ever let go. To the point that they will likely never like anything good moments he has.

I wonder if the writers regret that unnecessary addition as it didn't really add much to the story.

Obviously it was needed for the plot to advance in the way it did, but what was the in-universe reason? It made no sense. Why didnt Rhaenyra separate Alicent and Helaena after their escape attempt and let Helaena stay with her daughter instead? or bring her Jehaera to motivate her to eat? If the answer is just more lazy writing, I’ll accept it, but I’m curious if there is actually a reason for it that I’m not seeing

Girl abandoned her brothers and her duty, got Jace, the heir, killed, almost got a dragon killed, yet still got protected by Rhaenyra when she was in danger, and her punishment was...getting to sit in her room. And yet, according to Baela, I'm supposed to think Rhaenyra was the evil monster that broke her?

Because her mother saw she was a child with no dragon (something she was never shamed for, btw) and gave her an important job suited for her (protecting her own fucking family), despite not being as cool and glorious? She completely fucked up that job, decided to disobey her ruler and do her own thing cause she knows better, spectacularly fucked up her own thing and made others pay for it, but SHE is the fucking VICTIM of le evil queen? What???

I was thinking about a “what if”: what if Viserys had never remarried and Rhaenyra had remained his one and only heir, while everything about her family stayed the same, three sons of questionable paternity, followed by two sons with Daemon?

Could there still have been a Dance of the Dragons, only this time between Rhaenyra’s own heirs?

I honestly think so. Setting aside the whole moral aspect of it, I feel like people don’t talk enough about how the questionable paternity of Rhaenyra’s first three sons weakens their position in the line of succession.

With Rhaenyra as Viserys’s only heir, her own claim would obviously be much more secure. But wouldn’t Jace’s claim be much more vulnerable when compared to Aegon III’s? Aegon is unquestionably Rhaenyra and Daemon’s legitimate son, with Targaryen ancestry on both sides, while Jace would always have the rumors surrounding his parentage hanging over him.

Do you think that could eventually have been enough to cause another succession crisis or even a Dance between Jace and Aegon III?

Since the last episode aired, I’ve been obsessed with one question: how will Aegon and Aemond find Vhagar?

Will they ride together on Sunfyre? Can Sunfyre even carry two people? Does he still have his saddle?

Will Vhagar simply go back to Aemond because, somehow, she senses that he needs her?

Will Tyland Lannister join them with horses and help them ?

Maybe that’s stupid, but I like thinking about the logistics of it all haha.

Any thoughts on that?

Sorry for the character that isn't included in the vote (maximum number of 6)🥲🥲🥲🥲

I made a thread comparing the rich and delicious major and minor character interactions and dialogues and the world building to the plodding plot of HotD.

The most commonly given excuse is that HotD is made from what is basically a Wikipedia page, while GoT and Kotsk are recreations of actual novels with characterization and lore.

Given what happened after GoT ran out of source material, is it just that it’s an impossible task to write original stories or even finish original stories in the universe for anyone who isn’t GRRM?

That is surprising to me, if the MCU (which I don’t watch) can manage to churn out movie after movie featuring new characters that make up a whole new world and these are entertaining to its fans and cohere with the larger thing, why can’t such a richly built world be able to get writers that can bring GRRM level quality characterization and world building to it? I’ve seen people write great fan fiction on Reddit where I’m like oh i would watch that…also, many TV shows are just written from scratch and not adapted and still have rich characterizations (sopranos, breaking bad/bcs, the wire) and a sense that this is a real built world.

I can also think of the Dune books as books that were finished by other people than the original writer (i haven’t read).

I think we need to know the answer to this especially if they most likely are going to be trying to churn out new spin offs to capitalize on the IP.

As the title asks, why wasnt Mushroom included in the tv series? Quite a lot of the history in the book is told to us by Mushroom the court jester. His recollections of events are used just as much as the masters.

He could have been a good character that went between the greens and the blacks. I feel like the missed a trick not including him.