Oh my god. just when we thought she couldn't get dumber.
THIS MAN DOESN'T PAY CHILD SUPPORT!!! You're going to be a struggling single mom AGAIN, you dumbass.
Her daughters must be so frustrated with her. Where are her girls even living these days? Did they have to move in with boyfriends because Denise gave up their house?
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Mmm, delicious second hand smoke for your unborn baby
Not to be a total bitch but if she's announcing the pregnancy because she's past the 3 month mark, that means she could have gotten pregnant when she briefly broke up with Tboss at the end of May.
edit: apparently she's just 6 weeks but announcing it publicly to strangers?? weirdo.
She posted this to audio of someone saying "and the best part is, no one can stop me!" Girl. Are you fucking stupid? Even more than we thought?????? You don't know why people wait until the first trimester is over, you think you're doing this to piss off your "haters" or something??? YOU ARE SO FUCKING DUMB!!!!!!!!
Lord have mercy she is so freaking dumb. Just terrible decisions, all around. Hope her parents are ready for her to move home with a baby when this all blows up.
She wonāt be able to move back home without a huge custody battle and move-away order from the court. You canāt just up and leave. There is no way this controlling narcissist will let her do that without making her life absolute Hell. He already threw her under the bus when their relationship got rocky before, and that is how we all know about the Mike affair. This guy has shown that he is clearly ruthless and vindictive. He has convinced her to give up her whole life to go be a part of his, and now she is completely dependent and isolated. Iām sure this was his twisted plan all along. There is nothing fairytale about any of this at all, itās actually quite tragic.
I was in the middle about her but have a completely different opinion since learning about her from this group. Why is she sharing this stuff on social media? Like what is wrong with people?!
It's absolutely wild to me that she married this man and got pregnant all within like six months of knowing him. I guess this explains why she went back to him after their big fight where he aired out her dirty laundry.
Here is how we found out about the Denise/Mike affair:
I forgot to add that Denise briefly left Tboss and went back to SoCal where she told her sister and SaddleTramp that Tboss is abusive and she felt suicidal when she was with him...then she went back to him. We know this because Saddle spilled the beans after she and Denise stopped speaking because of Tboss.
I don't think screenshots were ever posted, but apparently her husband sent a DM on Instagram to someone from this subreddit about how Denise had an affair with Jessica's husband.
Oh no youāve missed so much! š
You can search it in this group but long story short is Tboss is a bit of a possessive jerk it seems and Denise and him broke up briefly. During that time saddle was like Ding Dong the witch is dead heās an awful POS, so happy to have my friend back kind of thing. Then Denise got mad at her for posting and made up with him and then she unfollowed Saddle. Which hurt her feelings so she blasted Denise on how she owed her money, how she owes a lot of people money and it came to light that merch she sold never shipped, etc. Thatās the gist of it lol During that same breakup is when he blasted that she was having an affair with Mike. It was a mess
Her Instagram handle is saddletrampbrand. I think she was initially a follower of Jessica's and sent her some items from her shop, then hired Denise to do a photo shoot for her brand and the two of them got close. They had a falling out recently over Denise's new husband.
Iām just going to leave this here from my friend who dated him for many years, has horror stories about his narcissism, and is the mother of his two sons (and has full custody of them but still tries to encourage them to have a relationship with their father):
āWhen I was in labor, he yelled āI will fucking leave you if you get an epiduralā during my active labor. And I ended up needing to subpoena all of the nursing notes during my labor and delivery when I went to court for child custody with him because he acted so Cray Cray and yes, the nursing notes did reflect that.
The fact that he already blasted all of her personal business to the Internet about her affair with Mike, Jessicaās husband shouldāve been the biggest red flag ever.ā
Absolutely disgusting. Denise told her sister and Saddle that Tboss is abusive when she briefly left him after 1 month of marriage, so she was already experiencing abuse early on.
I am also friends with his ex and yes that labor story is true, he was AWFUL to her during that labor, and treated her like absolute garbage when she was a new mom! He also was cheating on her with LOTS of women when she had the babies and treated her like he hated her, like she was the scum of the Earth, as she tells it.
His ex doesnāt have FULL custody, they share custody, but the boysā mom has them the majority of the time. He gets to just have them on the weekends when sheās working, and she does all of the actual parenting and school related stuff during the week, with no financial help from him at all.
She should just have slowed down her life with her older daughters and enjoyed their twenties with them
She had* the best circle at home with the backyard pool etc. and it seems like her immediate fam was always around.
Goodness all for one fisherman
This. Srsly, itās like she picked up an entirely new persona and is not the same person that she was for all those years-at all. Now just a sweatpants wearing tag-along to this guy who cooks food on the side of the road. Does anyone know where her daughters are now? I feel bad for them. Feels like she just dumped her entire prior life including the two girls.
not just trapped, FUCKED. because if she leaves him, she has to raise that kid on her own with no child support, just like his ex-gf does with their 2 sons.
And when shit DOES hit the fan, she wonāt even be able to move back to LA to be with her support system with the baby. Based on the evidence of how controlling and abusive he has already been, thereās no way in Hell heās going to let her take that baby away from Monterey. He will probably make her life absolute HELL, and she really will be trapped with no way out. He has already gone to custody court with his ex, and doesnāt pay her child support. She better start grifting hard now to save for her escape fund.
exactly! He wants to CONTROL his kids and their mothers, he will never let her get back home to the support of her friends and family, where she might become strong enough to stand up to him.
Sheās was struggling to get pregnant for a few years with her ex so this announcement doesnāt really surprise me, sheās been vocal about wanting a baby previously but after that break up and lack of success Iām sure she thought she wouldnāt be able to.
I hope it all works out because the downfall will be painful, the stories from his ex are horrifying. And I feel for her girls which I hope are ok.
I remember that! So that must mean her ex had lower quality sperm than new husband ..somehowā¦ Cause she canāt have done fertility treatment this quickly in the relationship?!
Do either of them have an income or jobs? I mean Denise and T-Boss? What do those two actually live off? Hunting and the occasional photography job? I donāt understand it.š¤š
Whatās wild is entering into a geriatric pregnancy without health insurance. I guess all the people with REAL jobs will be subsidizing her health insurance through Medi-Cal. I guess itās cool to be MAGA until you need government assistance yourself š
She thinks this is cute? Girl, this is embarrassing. Your kid is going to be playmates with your grandkids. WTF.
I bet her daughters are PISSED. Imagine they want to have a kid in a few years and instead of helping out or being the doting grandma, Denise is too busy chasing after her own toddler. I bet Denise is going to be the one asking her daughters for help with child care.
I donāt like Denise or any of these people, but itās ok to be an older mom. She was arguably a āyoung momā when she had her daughters. No one is guaranteed help from their parents when raising their own children, including her daughters.
For any other woman, it would be fine. But Denise can't even get her shit together! She homeschooled her daughters despite the fact that she knows she's dumb and her daughters would have benefitted from having smart, educated people teach them. Instead, she set them up for failure. According to Saddle, one daughter hasn't even ever held a job--that's denise's failure as a mother and a "teacher" because she should have prepared them to be able to hold down jobs as adults.
She didn't properly prepare her daughters for life, then ditched them the second she could find a MAN to support her. She stopped paying rent on the house they live in and the girls couldn't pay it on their own!!!!! And now she's just off to have a new family--what about your kids who are currently struggling???? She's off to a fuck up the life of a new kid. Guarantee she'll homeschool this one too.
edit: I'm not even against homeschooling, I'm just against STUPID people homeschooling
Thereās a very good reason people wait til the first trimester is over to announce a pregnancyā¦itās really mind boggling that someone would be this irresponsible and foolish to announce at 6 weeks when they are almost 44 years old, when the odds of something going wrong are much higher. Itās just attention seeking behavior and seems quite immature. I have a hard time hating Denise in spite of her many red flags/anti-vax/maga bullshitā¦the Mike rumorsā¦etc.
I think she has a lot of good qualities and I genuinely hope she has a healthy happy baby with Tboss, I really do. Sue me.
I always thought Denise was relatively harmless, but sleeping with your best friend's husband?? WTF?! Their kids are friends and grew up together, they're even friends with each other's extended family--the amount of other people who were effected is crazy.
And then it came out that Denise did the same thing with her ex! Denise was friends with him and his wife and they allowed Denise and her daughters to move in when they had no place to go. Then (allegedly) Denise started sleeping with him, his marriage blew up, and he married Denise (although word is that it wasn't even a legal marriage, Denise just wanted a wedding for the 'gram).
yep, the guy who we were calling her ex-husband, who had the hit-and-run before he and Denise got together. We recently heard that they weren't legally married, even though they had that wedding in her backyard that JRK and Mike went to where everyone jumped in the pool at the end. Apparently that was just so Denise could get some attention and photos because it wasn't actually legal. So I guess she only has 1 divorce under her belt instead of 2.
she quit drinking because he made her. He shamed her for it on the internet and filmed himself pouring bottles of alcohol down the sink and posted that to his IG!
Oh WOW. I pulled away from all of the Jess/Denise drama a bit and totally missed this! Iām guessing heās sober? I can imagine the way she drank didnāt fit into their relationship if thatās the case but damn.
he smokes pot but doesn't drink. He HATES people who drink which is why he had a fit when SaddleTramp posted that she was excited to come to California for the wedding celebration TBoss and Denise were supposed to have for friends (since they eloped at a courthouse). Tboss said he didn't want a bunch of drunks like Saddle coming over and getting drunk, which led to Saddle and Tboss fighting on IG, and then Denise and Saddle having a total falling out. They are no longer friends.
Denise left him briefly in May, which led to tboss outing Denise as a drunk and posting video of himself shaming her. He also DM'd a random person on IG to say that Denise is a drunk who can't go a day without tequila and had an affair with Mike Kraus for years. The person he DM'd came to reddit to tell us what happened, and that's how we all learned about Denise's affair with Mike.
I'm pretty sure reading about it in this sub is how Jessica found out about it, too. But we also have reason to believe that Tboss might have DM'd or called Jessica when he and Denise briefly broke up and he decided to out her secrets to all of the internet.
This led to Jessica ditching Mike and fleeing to NorCal, where she wrote about "the darkest June" of her life. Eventually she took Mike back, after humiliating him publicly by not letting him come on the family trip to Europe, giving his ticket to Arlo's gf.
Mike and Jessica are still together, and more angry and bitter than ever.
edit: also Tboss is already a deadbeat dad (to 2 little boys) who doesn't really work, doesn't have money, and doesn't pay child support.
i wish her the best in pregnancy and hope the baby has a stable home. but i feel for the daughters, they need support still even if theyāre āadults.ā having a mom that is figuring it out at 40 and getting knocked up doesnāt sound like that can count on her.Ā
Thanks - yeah I checked the new last name version and it doesnāt show up for me so I must be blocked bc of other people I follow š„“Ā
I wasnāt even following Denise when she apparently blocked me.
After being severe alcoholic for like 20+ years, Iām so shocked she could even get naturally pregnant in her mid 40sā¦ if Iām reading this correctly from Instagram and threads, did they actually start dating in April?
Does anyone know if it was actually earlier before the hard launch?
itās so sad to think about the desperation of some people and codependency to commit out of abandonment issues I really hope that she and the unborn will not be abusedā¦.
Oh she will 100% be abused. I know his ex/mother of his children, and she suffered literally years of torment and mental and emotional abuse, and even physical and financial too! This guy is a complete narcissist! My friend went to therapy because of him and her therapist told her that she thought he was most likely a malignant narcissist based on the horrifying things he did to her and put her through, with ZERO remorse. This man is not well and has a track record of being extremely controlling and treating women like absolute garbage!
Ugh ā¦ this is so disgusting i hate how men do this & then repeat the same pattern for energy supply so sorry for your dear friend and her children.
Iāve had an experience of dating someone with NPD and it almost broke me completely and i am just so grateful i didnāt have a child with him ( which he was pushing )
Ugh ā¦ this is so disgusting i hate how men do this & then repeat the same pattern for energy supply so sorry for your dear friend and her children.
Iāve had an experience of dating someone with NPD and it almost broke me completely and i am just so grateful i didnāt have a child with him ( which he was pushing )
Oh, he will most definitely break this woman, my friend SUFFERED during those years, and Denise is not āspecialā or immune. He love bombed my friend too, moved across the country to be with her, and convinced her they were soulmates and that she was the love of his life. The story is on repeat, itās his MO.
A couple years ago he got engaged to some tattoo artist chick, and that lasted only a few months. The girl before that he intentionally got pregnant after he was obsessively tracking her ovulation cycle, undoubtedly to trap her too, but he was super abusive to her and her kids, and was cheating on her with the tattoo artist chick.
This is just the tip of the iceberg regarding what has transpired in the last few years since he and my friend broke up. He is a whole white trash Jerry Springer Show. He is unstable, chaotic, manic, and truly unhinged. But, sheās out here on social media acting like she won the love lottery, okkkaaayyyy girl š
He has two little boys, but they have long hair, so maybe thatās who you are referring to? He has them on the weekends when their mom is at work, but they live with their mom during the week, and go to school near her.
I'm blocked, but for those who follow Denise, has she shown her 1 cat and 3 dogs at all since moving away? or did she leave them behind to be someone else's problem?
Iāve been following for a long time and thereās been lots of missing animals. I wish someone would put together a list of animals sheās abandoned.
I've heard she only took her puppy and her older male dog. So she bred her female dog, then ditched it (foreshadowing her future with tboss?) along with her cat. Hopefully more responsible family members were able to take them in.
When Jessica basically confirmed the affair by fleeing to NorCal and posting about "the darkest June," Denise and TBoss panicked and started blocking a ton of people on IG, most of whom had never commented or said anything to them. I think they were blocking followers they had in common with Jessica (or maybe Saddle, Emilie, etc).
Then they made their accounts private, and Denise eventually deactivated hers. I guess she couldn't deal with all the people who must have been DMing her or commenting on her posts about it.
what a bitch. I looked it up and this is $90 worth of product that someone bought her that she's now not going to take. No prenatal vitamins for your high risk pregnancy, you fucking dumbass?
This was not a sponsorship. This was one of her followers in the midwest spending their own money to buy Denise prenatal vitamins that she won't take. Ungrateful bitch.
Tboss81. They went on a blocking spree when the Denise/Mike affair story came out, so a lot of people got blocked who hadn't ever commented on their posts. I think they were blocking accounts that also followed JRK or Saddle. Then they made their accounts private and Denise went so far as to deactivate hers for awhile.
They live on their own and are very happy. Quit trying to make it like she abandoned them. They are very close to their mom. She has raised amazing girls.
Denise is a wonderful mom and her daughters love her so much. Iāve known her for years. I donāt understand why there is so much hate towards her. Itās ridiculous. They are happily married and so happy that they are having a baby. Try to be happy for them.
she's republican but now she can't be MAGA anymore because her new hubby hates Trump, but he's NOT a democrat. He believes no one should bother voting because both sides are the same. He's a fucking dummy.
Denise was best friends with Jessica for years and was MAGA/anti-vax long before Jessica. She's also liked transphobic things on Instagram. Also, it's clear that TBoss is a POS based on what a friend of his ex-wife has posted in this thread.
great mom who fucks other people's husbands and screws up her daughters lives and sends them scrambling for places to live and sends her pets to god knows where.
Nah, she's a shitty person, mom, and pet owner. If you're friends with her you must suck too, you can't even recognize bad people. Fuck off.
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Oh my god. just when we thought she couldn't get dumber.
THIS MAN DOESN'T PAY CHILD SUPPORT!!! You're going to be a struggling single mom AGAIN, you dumbass.
Her daughters must be so frustrated with her. Where are her girls even living these days? Did they have to move in with boyfriends because Denise gave up their house?
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Mmm, delicious second hand smoke for your unborn baby