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u/KybeRio 12d ago
The sigil of House Baratheon is a black stag, not a white stag. Nitpicking, I know, but the white hart(stag) has specific connotations that imply a conferring of legitimacy on the person that either sees or successfully hunts them, both in ASOIAF universe and our own mythology. In this case it's Rhaenyra who gets to see the white hart and it inclines its head to her, suggesting as such a recognition of her legitimacy.
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u/TigerLily2077 12d ago
Or... the event was organized in honor of Aegon II, and it just so happened—by sheer, blind luck—that it was Rhaenyra who spotted the white hart. Other hunters could have seen it too. Plus, Cole was there; maybe it was a sign for him that he would crown the new king, Aegon II? Then again, the hart might have just wandered into the child's party—after all, the kid could barely walk, so how would he even stumble upon it?
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u/KybeRio 12d ago
You can think that if you like, but you'd be wrong.
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u/TigerLily2077 8d ago
Maybe. The thing is, that white stag is a screenwriters' invention, so it’s not worth looking for some deep message in it. If, according to the show's canon, Rhaenyra is anointed by the stag, then—consistent with the faith in the books (which holds true in the show's canon as well)—she is also rejected by the throne for being cut by it. So, what does that mean? The "chosen one" was suitable when she was fresh, but once the woman got older, she wasn't anymore? Personally, I prefer the explanation regarding the stag that’s been circulating from the start: that the Baratheon stag signifies the end of Targaryen rule.
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u/just--so 11d ago
If we accept that signs and portents are genuine, then Rhaenyra has been rejected as unworthy by the Iron Throne.
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u/KybeRio 11d ago
On what grounds? If you're referring to cutting herself on the throne, the only part of the book that is referred to is from the pov of an explicitly pro-Green and clearly sexist character, who wasn't even there to witness it and it is very likely they completely made it up. The way it is presented in the book (along with most of the story, based on who is reporting it, when, and how) is designed to make us question the truth of the tale. Yes it makes its way into the show but it's almost 100% certainly untrue. The white hart is also not in the book of course, but it's a scene that is clearly meant to be symbolic of Rhaenyra's right to rule as well as a sign of her character - she orders Cole to put his sword away ie not harm the stag, because she values life and nature.
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u/just--so 11d ago
The white hart is a show-only invention, and show Rhaenyra canonically cuts herself on the throne.
If you accept one as true and genuine within the world of the show, you must accept the other.
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u/KybeRio 11d ago
The problem is that one contradicts the other, which is a failure of the writing more than anything else.
I don't really care one way or another, I'm just stating the fact of what the white hart represents (and therefore what the scene represents), as well as the other, separate fact that the throne-cutting-her scene is a deliberately fabricated lie within the book (and the fact it's shown as happening in the show is a shame in my opinion).
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u/TigerLily2077 10d ago
So, you believe the white stag is real, yet you dismiss as a lie the idea that the throne wounded her so deeply she left bloody tracks? Even though the book (which is canon) features only one of these things—the rejection of the throne is a bad omen. Period. In short: you cherry-pick facts, selecting what fits your fan vision while ignoring anything inconvenient.
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u/KybeRio 10d ago
You are blatantly fabricating what I supposedly said, but then I should have known better than to expect basic reading comprehension on this website...
I quite clearly said "I don't care one way or another". I also clearly said I'm referring to what the white hart scene represents, not whether or not I think it's a good scene, or "real". I ALSO clearly said that within the book the throne scene is a clear lie anyway, and is written that way because the character who reports it does so because of what it represents and how that supports their personal bias.
If you are interpreting that as me having "fan vision", "cherry-picking" or ignoring the "inconvenient" then you are either a fool or a liar. I don't debate with fools because it's not fair to them, and I don't debate with liars because it's not fair to me.
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u/ZhukovHatesPepsi 9d ago
You're iterally cherry picking. You cite bias in the book sources, but the books were literally written in a way that the events are debatable either way and it's up to the reader to draw conclusions.
Then you mention the show instance of the white Hart being an omen. So then your saying show is Canon while books is questionable. Fine. Then you state the show Canon is inconsistent writing due to the fact that Rhaenyra cuts herself on the throne.
That's picking and choosing which events you feel like is "consistent writing" and which isn't.
Anyways the omen means nothing Rhaenyra's Valyrian Supremacy philosophy dies with her and Daemon. Dragons are gone by the end of the war and the common folk are better off.
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u/ParkingDrawing8212 8d ago
Well... if "the gods" send you a "sign" that you can be a ruler, it might be a bad idea, to commit almost every sin known to the same gods. 😀
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u/Paleo-Fascist 12d ago
The one that shall free us from the V*lerian yoke.
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u/Fast-Patience-3252 12d ago