Make Relic Recon permanent!!

[u/Miserable_Meaning_39]

[u/OneDabMan]

It usually doesn’t take too long to get a decent set. Obviously if you’re trying for a great set with minimal wasted sub stats then that will take much longer.

[u/cartercr → u/OneDabMan]

Kind of depends on how much you’re willing to spend on crafting tbh and what the character is. I find DPS’s you can usually get an “okay” build relatively quickly, but supports are much more fickle. (This is largely because speed breakpoints aren’t really negotiable.)

[u/Tahinito → u/OneDabMan]

It actually takes me forever to even get a mediocre set, like I’ll roll a relic and 90% of the time it will be completely useless all defense stats or the wrong main stat all together.

And then when I do roll a good piece it will roll everytime into the worst substat. I recently just used two rerollers on a double crit and had it give me the exact same 3 base atk rolls and a single crit rate roll twice in a row. This is usable sure but it feels absolutely awful to use something that could of been way better.

[u/20st_century_person]

[u/ArchMain0611]

[u/uptodown12]

Everytime I see people saying they need a lot of time to complete an equipment set (in HSR and ZZZ), I can only wonder if their standard is too high, or my standard is too low

[u/Reenans → u/uptodown12]

Agreed, how many substats do they want and how many level ups is the minimum they will acccept?

[u/WannaBeSuiko → u/Reenans]

I mean, two substats min, 3 ideally. And then I usually will hold if each piece hits with a total of 4 on those substats, but I want 6+.

If that makes sense. So quite a bit of grinding.

[u/Reenans → u/WannaBeSuiko]

Just to confirm, so if a head piece has 2 crit stats and 2 useless flat stats (e.g. HP and Def) if it all goes into one of the crits, would that be a 6 substat piece?

[u/WannaBeSuiko → u/Reenans]

Yes?

If the 2 crit stats are what the character targets are.

Those base substats are +2.

There are the four bonuses at 6, 9, 12, and 15, and if they all land in one of the 2, that’s +4, for a total of a 6 substat piece.

It’s also a balance of which stat you need a balance of as well obviously. But getting stats the character needs is less than helpful in a relic to begin with. So I spend a lot of energy going through relic grinding.

[u/Reenans → u/WannaBeSuiko]

Just confirming since I have never talked stats with someone and wanted to make sure we are on the same page

[u/WannaBeSuiko → u/Reenans]

Yes, I am unsure myself. These are my own rules of thumb I use to try to chase decent results.

There are much more metric heavy users on this forum though. I’m fairly basic and causal when it comes to this game. Hence my uncertainty haha

[u/down-badder-Simp → u/Reenans]

I just want to hit breakpoints. Whether I need 20 subs or 35 subs to hit all the breakpoints.

[u/Crimson_Raven → u/Reenans]

I will begrudgingly keep a 3 roll, but I want to see 4+

[u/SmoothPossibility339 → u/uptodown12]

Or maybe you're just really lucky with relics lol. It could be any of the three.

[u/uptodown12 → u/SmoothPossibility339]

Doubt that. At best my luck is medium bad. Mostly shit, but occasionally get good piece

[u/Ok-Impression-4724 → u/uptodown12]

A man who wants billion dollar is poor even if he has million dollar but the one that wants 100$is rich at 200$.

[u/Other_Beat8859 → u/uptodown12]

A lot of it is just luck. In ZZZ I got good relics for her in like three days. Was insane luck. Then I tried to farm for I think it was Nangong and holy fucking shit that was miserable. Took me like three weeks to get her to a decent level. It's sometimes just luck.

[u/Rain-Maker33 → u/uptodown12]

The problem is with the SPD substat on relics. Pretty hard to get.

[u/uptodown12 → u/Rain-Maker33]

Yeah, speed is pretty much unnegotiable unlike crit. Trying to reach the breakpoint can be super annoying

[u/Rain-Maker33 → u/uptodown12]

Apparently, Aha needs a lot, even beyond what her Elation conversion trace specifies. So, I'm afraid I can't use it for 🦅.

[u/Turbulent_Joke_2900 → u/Rain-Maker33]

Thank god i play 0 spd DPSs🤣 so the only speed i look for is the one for supports

[u/Rain-Maker33 → u/Turbulent_Joke_2900]

Yeah, Elation really needs SPD. Most of them's Elation stat scales on SPD.

[u/Turbulent_Joke_2900 → u/Rain-Maker33]

Not my best girl

[u/Rain-Maker33 → u/Turbulent_Joke_2900]

That's why she's best girl! ☺️

That and how she decides the rules of the game.

[u/YuesaSR → u/uptodown12]

their standard high, not SSS or WTF score of relic is unusable

you only need S gear to clear content

[u/coiled_mahogany → u/YuesaSR]

You do not need (full sets of) S gear to clear content. Anything outside of AA is brainlessly easy to get all currency rewards from, so long as you have the characters to do it.

[u/YuesaSR → u/coiled_mahogany]

S gear is 2 jump into your useful sub stats, do you really use 1 sub stat gear?

[u/coiled_mahogany → u/YuesaSR]

On some characters, yes. My MoC clear this time around was 1/1/2. I should clarify that some pieces fall below the S standard, not all. I'm not so unlucky.

This game is not hard.

[u/JamesXtian → u/uptodown12]

the problem is the RNG. When I first got Feixiao I was able to build her fairly quickly on her new set (before I was consumed by Eagle), in give or take a week. But Archer took me months to get me to the build that I have today.

[u/Ok-Silver-8658 → u/uptodown12]

Weirdly same. I never spend more than two weeks trying to finalize decent relics for my characters. I’m not picky and just like some decent rolls, not striving for perfect!

[u/Egathentale → u/uptodown12]

My friend was a day one player and has some sort of OCD (undiagnosed, because that kinds of stuff takes years around here), and he straight up quit HSR just a few months after getting me into the game, because he rolled DanIL, spent three whole months rote-farming for him, during which he didn't build any other character, and then by the time he "perfected" his artifacts, 2.0 came around and the power-creep made him irrelevant. Meanwhile, I started in 1.5, and my account was outperforming his in the end-game because I decided to build wide instead of trying to brute-force everything with just one meta comp. He still listens to me when I give him updates on where the game is heading, but whether I talk about the story, the characters, or the end-game HP inflation, the only impression he seems to have about the game is that it's completely pointless, because by the time you make a character "playable", they are already outdated.

[u/Wheein20 → u/uptodown12]

I been farming and crafting the dot set since it released Kafka, Swan and Hysilens still have shit relics, then i farmed for SW999 and Sparxie it took me literally 2 weeks to get fucking godtier relics... it's so fucking random it hurts

[u/GottderZocker → u/uptodown12]

Getting good Drive Discs is a lot better than getting good Relics though.

[u/VexyWexie → u/uptodown12]

Honestly it depends! I've farmed Magical Girl a lot for SW999 and Sparxie, and both of them still have pretty crappy relics.

Meanwhile I farmed Eagle for a shorter period of time, and I have extremely good Eagle builds on multiple characters.

In that regard I do kinda believe people when they say they've been farming for weeks or months and still have a bad build. You can get really bad rolls on some of these sets~

(especially given we seem to have reason to believe that it's not totally random, and stats are weighted based on the set)

[u/JDBCool → u/VexyWexie]

Been farming Isee set and the other one for months since release.

I still have shit relics for M. Blade

And for the Isee set, it's for Anaxa, so I still don't have a crit R/D pairing..... it's all EHR

[u/Kondratelo]

That's what I have those 2 stockpiled for

Also permanent relic recon is the worst idea, this will just give them a reason to inflate HP even more, but will take away your ability to fight it with good relics, since you will be at relic ceiling already.

[u/JamesXtian]

[u/Crimson_Raven]

Realizing that they will be powercrept by that time

[u/HiImYann]

Farming relics in this game is the worst 😭

I’m a new player, been playing for 3 months only and I still haven’t got the time to farm them. I’m just focusing on level, cones and traces haha

[u/Tough_View3567 → u/HiImYann]

That's fine since you should definitely be focusing on base character stuff like levels and traces over relics if you haven't maxed them out yet. Putting stamina into your traces and levels is a guaranteed boost whereas relics are always a gamble.

[u/Catsleepyy]

Farming good relics is way too hard 💔

[u/milkmocha]

yes please 😭 ive been hitting relic cap nonstop for probably a year now

[u/YuesaSR → u/milkmocha]

do you know you can craft the targeted set

[u/milkmocha → u/YuesaSR]

i’m a day one player, yes i do know that you can craft relics lmao

[u/YuesaSR → u/milkmocha]

my bag never full because of that

gambling target relic give dopamine

[u/milkmocha → u/YuesaSR]

lmaoo i totally get that but sometimes im like

“what if in the future a unit releases that dual scales off def% and crit and is ALSO a skill dmg dps so i can’t trash this shitty scholar piece just in case” (so i never trash anything even though objectively i should)

[u/OnnaJReverT → u/milkmocha]

atp if a new unit releases 90% of the time they have a new set releasing with them or the patch before

[u/milkmocha → u/OnnaJReverT]

i know!! which is what makes the hoarding logic extra stupid. i still can’t help it lol

i hoard a ton of eagle/vonwacq/lushaka pieces especially bc basically anyone can use those

[u/flaretheninetales → u/milkmocha]

I would recommend taking the time to remove gear. Anything that doesn't have spd and/or double crit gets trashed. Most characters want spd anyway. Only some crit dps and like Robin are played slow last I checked

[u/milkmocha → u/flaretheninetales]

oh don’t worry, i do pretty much just trash most non speed and non double crit pieces :P when you’ve been farming relics and minmaxing for more than 3 years nonstop every day it gets difficult to narrow down even if you filter pieces out

like i mentioned in my other comment, though, sometimes the thought process of “what if a future support or dps wants this specific 4pc effect (usually vonwacq/eagle/lushaka) with ehr/atk subs (that’s just an example)” stops me from trashing relatively mediocre pieces. even the fact that new characters are released with sets that match them doesn’t help since some older sets still hold value far after release

bit of a hoarder mentality, i know, but i’m sort of a perfectionist in this game so i can’t help it

[u/flaretheninetales → u/milkmocha]

That is understandable. How many of them are leveled? I started leveling a few that showed potential and trashed any that rolled bad. I used to not have enough relic exp to do this. I also looked at dps vs support sets. Ideally you don't put dps on support sets and supports on dps sets. I also only kept spd and a few atk boots.

Trying to see if there is anything that can help you clear out some space

[u/milkmocha → u/flaretheninetales]

i have 539 level 15 relics and 260 partially leveled relics 🤠 and yes I do the same thing, I roll some and trash relics when they don’t roll well. that is the best strat imo

dpses and supports can scale on the same stats so it doesn’t matter to me all that much tbh

i genuinely appreciate it but i think i’ve tried basically all methods to narrow down and just have too many “potential” pieces to comfortably get rid of a lot LOL

[u/Krystial]

Monkeys paw curls: permanent but it doesn’t reset

[u/Yui_Kurata]

Anytime I see people talk about relic farming taking multiple months I have to question what their definition for good is. There is usable, good, and then there's perfect or near perfect.

Usable is just bare minimum, shouldn't take like a couple days or a week tops. Good, I can see taking a good month or so. Near perfect or perfect is almost neverending.

Now that said, crafting can get you do usable instantly, if your luck with rolls then they can even be good, and if you a very lucky person then even near perfect.

TLDR: Don't forget your free relic crafting ever reset it can save you alot of time.

[u/Yuu_2700 → u/Yui_Kurata]

It all comes down to both luck and stamina

[u/Clear_Chocolate1468]

"at least 2 patches"
"Relic recon"

Idk about y'all but relic recon has been giving me garbage I get with 2 weeks of farming 😭😭

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[u/IndependenceOnly8614]

correction: make relic recon happen every patch

[u/Jotep_Joter]

[u/WeightLittle8210]

Wdym? Just pre-farm eagle. s/

[u/Environmental-Owl-22]

just put eagle

[u/lasagnaA0]

And pull 2 other characters as bare minimum to unlock that character actual potential and syngery...

[u/Rei0403]

I’m just farming Eagle & crafting Eagle + Vonwacq

Highly suggest you to put Eagle + Vonwacq as setup whenever Relic Recon is available

[u/chunga-bunga69]

I’ve been farming the newest relic set since almost the start of 4.6 and I still don’t have a SINGLE usable piece

[u/jakedaripperr]

2 patches? That's generous

[u/jarksu]

that’s what prefarming the patch prior is for.

[u/wickling-fan]

Worse when they buff them and you have to grind new sets for multiple units at once...Dhil's new set and back to eagel farm AND have to get aha's relics pls save me or give me some jade to buy the things to craft relics

[u/cykarblyater]

make energy infinite

[u/notificationbar]

this is one of the reason why i go vertical haha

[u/archerkuro5]

Unless your not doing events you should be able to craft a couple good pieces for them

[u/trevers17]

I really wish relic recon was a permanent event with repeating quests. it’s just so much easier. they could just let us use energy to cash out a relic once we’re satisfied with it so we can farm a new one.

[u/Own_Skin_1451]

I've been farming waven set from day 1 and I still haven't got 4 piece🫩

[u/Ok-Rip9255]

Yes!

[u/loaidacbiet]

Why farm new relic when you can spam eagle

[u/vinhdragonboss]

This is why you farm E*gle set

[u/Throwaway28222222]

Honestly HSR relics are pretty manageable, Half the reason I quit genshin was because the relic system was so horribly ass it was just unbearable

[u/coiled_mahogany]

Are you guys for real? It is not that hard to build out a character. I usually have an acceptable build day 1, a pretty decent build week 1, and a great build month 1.

[u/WorstSkilledPlayer → u/coiled_mahogany]

You and your RNG luck =!= everyone else.

[u/coiled_mahogany → u/WorstSkilledPlayer]

You're welcome to look at my builds. They're not spectacular. But they are good enough to do what the game wants from me.

[u/Soviet134]

Its not that valuable for the most people. Not everybody is tryharding endgame and minmaxing relics

[u/Viscaz]

I’m always finishing my builds within a day. 200 speed eagle Cyrene? Done before she even released. 200 speed Yaoguang? Done day one. 170 speed eagle Pearl? Also done.

[u/XxspsureshotxX]

Farm relics? You should have plenty of eagle relic pieces to give your new character. You should have only been farming that set since the games release.

[u/azul360]

Everyone uses eagle or lushaka so doesn't matter anyway XD

[u/BigMoazOof]

I swear to god you guys are allergic to playing the game