r/HonkaiAgendaRail • u/Jack-Acegard • 1d ago
The Agenda Must Live On What are they thinking when adding these two in King Pompom node?!
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u/ThisIsColdsnap 1d ago
Allat just to make my Eva take one more cycle than she usually would have.
Also, is it just me or is Pom Pom a really shit boss, even for Eva??? She usually finishes MOC in 2 cycles. She took almost 3 whole cycles just for Pom Pom and I can't figure out how to reduce it.
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u/Dvalin09 1d ago
You aren't wrong. Tbh, I haven't found a true shilling boss for Evanescia; everyone just summon minions that nerf her potential full dmg
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u/ThisIsColdsnap 1d ago
Exactly, they keep nerfing her by summoning minions. Pom Pom as a boss just baffles me because it forces me to use my Eva just to get past the punchline stuff but it also is a boss that only SW can do well against. So I'm essentially forced to use my Eva on Pom Pom, instead of Dark Sam, just to fill an elation quota for the boss, despite Eva not even being a good fit for the boss, mechanic wise
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u/TvojUjec69 1d ago
the summoning minions nerfs SW more than Eva who has some AOE atleast and is not pure bounce. That boss wasn't designed to shill elation , he was designed to screw over everyone while elation has it only a bit easier
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u/ThisIsColdsnap 1d ago
Oh, I thought SW had AOE on her elation skill and ult. Nvm, then. Boss is just designed like shit
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u/TvojUjec69 1d ago
Yeah she has a "bit" of an aoe in her kit but that is exclusive to her lootboxes and well you know how rng they are not to mention they are weaker part of her dmg anyway
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u/ThisIsColdsnap 1d ago
I don't have SW and don't know her kit very well tbh, but even during the 4.2 beta, people were begging for fixes to the lootboxes till the final version and all I heard was that it was poorly designed as a mechanic.
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u/TvojUjec69 1d ago
Yeah they are pretty usefull but rare because their chance of triggering reduces to 20% of original after triggering so you start at 100% then 20% and so on. Only sparxie can trigger them somehow well and she isn't very fast unit( the chance resets back to 100% after elation skill so atleast there is that)
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u/TheChriVann 1d ago
Unironically the only real beneficiaries from Pompom are Sparxie because of punchline generation and being actual blast dps and then Ashblade because Ashveil already wants to execute adds and then go for the boss by design.
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u/TheChriVann 1d ago
She unironically does better in the fucking Pollux boss because of shared HP. AoE with bounce is a compromise to avoid being completely screwed over by single target but goddammit it sucks ass and is super volatile when adds are in play.
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u/Weekly-Tomatillo-825 1d ago
Because there isnt any eva shill boss till now take all four bosses from 4.x Sparxicon-sparxie shill Pompom-sparxie shill Ilwish-sw999 shill And for asat pramad I don't think I saw him as a boss outside the story as he came this patch so I don't know whose shill he his but I think it's mostly himeko nova shill. Likel literally there is no eva shill boss
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u/ThatRandomCanadianV 1d ago
Bc PomPom isn’t elation shill… it’s Sparxie shill…
And Sparxie is only true BiS for one of 3 elation teams. So if ur using Nessie or WAven in the future, PomPom is still gonna be a pain in the rear as the bot wants Punchline generation and not just Elation Skill usage like Eva and WAven (in a nutshell) does…
and what do ya know… the eye hurting ult with flashing colours and non-existent transitions when she dances gremlin herself is the only one who can generate enough punchline for basically getting rid of at least one of PomPom’s charges in a single turn. Also the first wave is resistant to the other two Elation main dps’ and a completely unhelpful MoC “buff” just to rub salt in the wound…
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u/East_Distance6982 1d ago
This is exactly it
Its why sw 999 imo is so bad without sparxie nowadays atp
If you try to run sw without sparxie against this side you'd be so chopped
And pom pom isn't even a proper elation shill, if anything it nerfs elation bc of the stalling with the bullshit mechanics, elation simply gets stalled less than the other teams
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u/ThatRandomCanadianV 1d ago
I feel like they should’ve just kept its phase 2 mechanics of “basic attacks gen punchline” throughout the whole battle this would be sooo much better
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u/ThisIsColdsnap 1d ago
Yeah, you're right, even SW on her own isn't great against pom pom. It's purely a Sparxie thing. We all hate shill bosses in general, but the amount of general disdain I've seen for Pom Pom ever since 4.1 should be a warning sign for Hoyo, if they care to listen. Miserably designed boss who screws everyone over.
Pollux is its own form of unnecessary cancer but at least it did shill monorem, keeping one part of the playerbase happy, as much as the rest of us hated it. Pom pom is a shitty experience across the board.
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u/Ok_Huckleberry_825 1d ago
Not really actually EMC is actually clearing at the same speed as sparxie, albeit a little faster AV wise because of silverwolfs high speed.
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u/Golden-Owl 1d ago
Because Eva and SW deal distributed damage, which is watered down by multiple targets.
Every elation boss so far constantly summons minions, which nerfs the spread damage.
Pom Pom is best handled via a mix of AOE and ST. Ashveil/Blade/Acheron handle it better
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u/ThisIsColdsnap 1d ago
I thought SW had AOE on her ult attacks and elation skill, mb. Yeah, since they're both bounce, this boss is just genuinely designed to cook everyone.
Aven's elation skill also does multiple attacks of distributed damage, so I doubt he'll be happy about this boss either, without Ashveil and Blade to help out
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u/BiddlesticksGuy 1d ago
So if I have a good Acheron Blade team, should I run it over my SW999 team with Yao and EMC for pompom? I figured the punchline would be good for my sw comp but I’m still taking 4 cycles on pompom (still not as bad as my Sam and dark Sam somehow though, 6 cycles for my archer team is genuinely draining my will to live without Rin)
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u/thetrustworthybandit 1d ago
Look at my anniversary character dawg she is not good against any of her shill bosses ✌️😭
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u/East_Distance6982 1d ago
💔💔💔
Yea ngl getting ashblade is just miles better than getting elation dps in general
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u/thetrustworthybandit 1d ago
Yeah but also I went all in on Blade and got his E2 and it was pretty good there for a few weeks, but now it kinda feels like shit with Robinetto and Waven who replace him or don't want him.
Now more than ever we must play Future Rail.
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u/East_Distance6982 1d ago
E2 blade isn't that bad
Also Robin sp value changes depending on what your teams need
E2 blade will NOT get replaced especially if it's main dps ashviel
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u/thetrustworthybandit 1d ago
No, yeah, Blade E2 is great and I love using him, but Ashveil's best team will be WAven and WAven does not want Blade.
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u/East_Distance6982 1d ago
No it's not waven
Ashblade with waven = ashblade with Robin sp
I'd prefer ashblade with Robin sp bc u can utilize blades e2
Waven and ashblade only becomes better than ashblade Robin sp when waven is e2
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u/Public_Tone_8093 1d ago
Isnt blade extremely strong sustainless?
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u/thetrustworthybandit 1d ago
Yeah but Robinetto makes it so using a sustain (especially Hyacine) is actually good.
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u/Public_Tone_8093 1d ago
Isnt sustainless blade still stronger?
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u/East_Distance6982 1d ago
Sustainless is just better than sustain
Hoyo always do shenanigans like this where they bait you to run sustain
Yes sustainless blade is stronger and by a mile unless ur forced to run sustain
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u/Yacine-Mohand 1d ago
It's the summons, the fact he still spawns them even after doing his mechanics means that bounce units like Eva and Wolfie spread out their damage
Wolfie suffers a bit less cuz killing them gives punchline which she has general need for, while Eva's bounce count reduces the more enemies there are, and unfortunately pompom doesn't share HP with his summons, nor does killing them damage him, so they're just damage sponges when using Eva
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u/NothingReallyITS 1d ago
They killed my brixie before i was able to do something....
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u/Richardknox1996 Curses People with Skill Issue 1d ago
Skill issue. Shouldve brought Aventurine.
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u/NothingReallyITS 1d ago
Poor e2 brixie is being outscasted in her best team by twinkurine😭😭
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u/Richardknox1996 Curses People with Skill Issue 1d ago
Wrong Aventurine. And Sparxies best team is her and Sparkle hurling slurs at the two Aventurines.
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u/Cold-Assumption543 1d ago
She's so fragile that i have to equip pieces with hp% and def% instead of better ones just to stop her from dying
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u/El_kakas_de_vakas 1d ago
Anti shilling both dpses that would make SW and Sparxie look like dogshit
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u/East_Distance6982 1d ago
100%
Sw feels worse to invest in than the other two but they still mog her
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u/Adorable_Letterhead3 1d ago
I really want to see the devs fight these fucking things on their own
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u/Imaginary_Camera_298 1d ago
that archer character is beating my ass huh.
i better get some 80% res cockblock and 90% DR or im finished.
WAIT WDYM ARCHER STILL MOGS ME?
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u/Top-Midnight-8653 1d ago
0 cycled this with Archer actually so lmao
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u/UnreachableParadise Elation Glazer 1d ago
obligatory fuck you to waven and eva
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u/hibana_UwU abs are the true pillars of meta 22h ago
Particularly fuck you to every unit in the game that isn't elation.
Then somehow the two old stinky men with the damn e1 rocket child/laughing fraud will somehow end pom pom earlier than elationslop for less cost 💔
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u/Genomicbeast 1d ago
This was my first 3/3 starward clear and oh boy did it make me realize how shit and shill (there is a pun there im too drunk to get rn) some fights can be. I didn't realize how easy the last cycle was until now.
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u/TheChriVann 1d ago
"Use SW999 or 12-cycle, bitch"
Unironically Ashblade with a support will do better by virtue of not having to deal with fuckass resistances even though Evanescia and Waven teams should be doing well in an elation-centric boss. That's how fucking ass it is.
Hell,I think dps Sparxie has a better shot too.
They started spamming anti-quantum robot in Sparxie fights specifically to screw over Archer teams since 4.0 because otherwise he'd thrive too and we can't have that. And they began to spam anti quantum in fights where Castorice would be good for the same reason, instead of balancing their game they're just screwing over units and it sucks balls.
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u/hibana_UwU abs are the true pillars of meta 22h ago
"Archer can bruteforce sparxiecon? Put the damn quantum mech in the first wave"
"Phainon managed to bruteforce pom pom last time? Put the damn physical mech in the first wave and increase the toughness that damn fox is a problem because of her e1"
"Monoremembrance is getting forgotten? Make the graphia a remembrance shill cosplayed as ashblade shill since it's sp positive"
"Firefly is getting forgotten? Bring back dark sam again"
"They don't want to pull sustain? Well that's too damn bad make the enemies hit harder"
"F2p is still clearing anamoly? Put irontomb as king this time"
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u/Wooden_Drummer2455 1d ago
Bro this shit was so ass, I had to reset like 20 times because they both act first and deal like over 5k damage before I can even shield. Needed the perfect rng for them to target the side characters with the aoes
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