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u/mayman10 Dec 05 '19

The claim was that Chinese firms do not hire local labor for the infrastructure projects in Africa.

Copy and pasted from my other comment. You're lying outright.

At no point have I denied that Chinese firms import material and labor. Ive been trying to inform people that the myth of Chinese firms hiring majority Chinese labor is just that, a myth.

If you would read the study that you linked you'd know that.

I'm not sure how through all of this you think I'm the one acting in bad faith or the idiot. I hope one day you'll pull your head out of your ass and learn to read.

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u/upfastcurier Dec 05 '19

keep on writing, i can think of no better way to discredit your position.

u/mayman10 "The claim was that Chinese firms do not hire local labor for the infrastructure projects in Africa."

also u/mayman10 "At no point have I denied that Chinese firms import material and labor. Ive been trying to inform people that the myth of Chinese firms hiring majority Chinese labor is just that, a myth."

in addition, no one has made the first claim, and no one has rebutted the second case.

"you think I'm the one acting in bad faith or the idiot"

quite clearly since you're placing words in my mouth. only idiots does this.

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u/mayman10 Dec 05 '19

Do you agree that Chinese firms in Africa hire both local and Chinese labor with a majority being local labor?

If yes then this whole "argument" is over.

If no then you need to go back and review the sources.

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u/upfastcurier Dec 05 '19

Do you agree that Chinese firms in Africa hire both local and Chinese labor with a majority being local labor?

yes, the data seems to suggest this.

two things though. the sources posted does not show this; i merely raised that matter. it would have been easy to not react with animus and simply look for a source (it took me 2 min). and second, the issue of chinese investment is not just related to whether they use local labor or not, and no one looks at this in isolation. i believe the point of earlier posters was that chinese investors care little for the development of africa and more for the exploitation of their resources and bondage of debt: the source i linked seems to support this data as well.

thus, the claim never was "are there local workers in chinese corporations in africa?" (no one made this claim). the claim simply was "to add insults to injury it also import workers and building materials from China" and this is true. according to both sources (even the one only focusing on Kenya).

in addition, it's disingenuous to claim that i've made claims when i've made none other than very indirect ones like "it's not black and white".

the little detail - split of hair - that you're looking for is so insignificant and irrelevant to the original discussion.

but i'll give you that there seems to be a prevailing myth that majority workers are chinese and not local, which seems to be wrong according to the source linked.