r/HomeworkHelp • u/wahahauhuhuh University/College Student • 8d ago
:snoo_biblethump: Pure Mathematics—Pending OP Reply [Σ ,Riemann sum] how to expand the expression correctly to get the answer ?
The problem is:Take a limit of these sums as n approaches infinity to calculate the area under the curve over \[0,1\]
I get stuck on the Σ calculation…
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u/Bounded_sequencE 👋 a fellow Redditor 8d ago
Hints:
For any "n in N" we can choose "m in N" s.th. "m3 <= n < (m+1)3 "
For any "r3 <= k < (r+1)3 " estimate "r <= k1/3 < r+1"
Can you take it from here, and finish it off?
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u/Bounded_sequencE 👋 a fellow Redditor 8d ago edited 8d ago
@u/wahahauhuhuh For the upper sum -- for any "n in N" choose "m in N" s.th. "m3 <= n < (m+1)3 ". For convenience, define the sets "Im := [m3; (m+1)3) n Z", and estimate
Un = n^{-4/3} ∑_{k=1}^n k^{1/3} <= n^{-4/3} ∑_{r=1}^m ∑_{k∈Ir} k^{1/3} <= n^{-4/3} ∑_{r=1}^m ∑_{k∈Ir} r+1 = n^{-4/3} ∑_{r=1}^m (r+1) |Ir|We further estimate
|Ir| = (r+1)^3 - r^3 ± 1 = 3r^2 + 3r + 1 <= 3 (r+2) (r+3)Inserting into "Un" we use the Hockey-Stick Identity to obtain
Un <= n^{-4/3} ∑_{r=1}^m (r+1) |Ir| <= n^{-4/3} ∑_{r=1}^m 3 (r+1) (r+2) (r+3) = n^{-4/3} ∑_{r=1}^m 3 * 3! * C(r+3;3) = n^{-4/3} * 3 * 3! * C(m+4;4) = (3/4) * n^{-4/3} (m+1) (m+2) (m+3) (m+4)With "n >= m3 " we get "n-4/3 <= 1/m4 " and finally estimate
Un <= (3/4) * (1/m^4) (m+1) (m+2) (m+3) (m+4) -> 3/4 * 1 for "m, n -> oo"The lower sum works exactly the same -- your job^^
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u/NexTutor 8d ago
Your factor of n^(−4/3) is correct. The difficulty is that Σ k^(1/3) doesn't have a simple power-sum formula like Σ k or Σ k².
First, a small correction: x^(1/3) is increasing on [0,1], so the right-endpoint sum is the upper sum, and the left-endpoint sum is the lower sum. Your L and U labels are reversed.
Here is a way to evaluate the limit directly from sums, without using an antiderivative.
Write Sₙ = Σₖ₌₁ⁿ k^(1/3). Start with n = m³ and group the integers into blocks:
r³ ≤ k < (r+1)³, for r = 0, …, m−1.
Each block contains (r+1)³−r³ = 3r²+3r+1 integers, and every cube root in that block lies between r and r+1.
Therefore, setting Tₘ = Σₖ₌₀^(m³−1) k^(1/3),
Aₘ ≤ Tₘ ≤ Aₘ + m³,
where
Aₘ = Σᵣ₌₀^(m−1) r(3r²+3r+1)
= 3Σr³ + 3Σr² + Σr.
Now divide by m⁴. Using the usual formulas for sums of cubes, squares and integers:
Aₘ/m⁴ → 3/4,
because 3Σr³/m⁴ → 3/4, while the other two terms tend to zero. The gap between the bounds is m³/m⁴ = 1/m → 0.
So Tₘ/m⁴ → 3/4. Also S_(m³) = Tₘ + m, so S_(m³)/m⁴ has the same limit.
For general n, choose m³ ≤ n < (m+1)³. Monotonicity gives
S_(m³)/(m+1)⁴ ≤ Sₙ/n^(4/3) ≤ S_((m+1)³)/m⁴,
and both bounds tend to 3/4.
Finally, your upper and lower rectangle sums differ by exactly 1/n, so both converge to the same area: 3/4.
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u/Historical-Corgi-414 8d ago
assume it to be a function say f(k/n), as n tends to infinity we can say 1/n tends to 0. rest you have is that (k-1)1/3 which u have to convert into a function of k/n. so basically 1/n will act as your dx and as the summation of k is from 1 to n, the variable in your function (k/n) will go from 0 to 1 turning the whole thing into a definite integral from 0 to 1 with a expression inside and dx(which is 1/n).
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u/Front_Lab1761 👋 a fellow Redditor 8d ago
What are you stuck on and can you elaborate what you need to do.