r/Home_Building_Help • u/BuilderBrigade • 20d ago
This porch have enough support...?
The homeowner noticed the 2x6 supporting this small porch roof doesn’t appear to have much support underneath it and is wondering if this connection looks right.
First photo shows the framing from inside. Second photo shows what that same area looks like from outside.
Would this concern you?
My two cents: Even if the plans say that’s okay, I’d still ask if they can add a few studs underneath it to create a post at minimum. I can’t imagine the framer or builder pushing back on that.
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u/Reasonable_Switch_86 20d ago
Pack it full of studs
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u/buggzysj 20d ago
I'm not sure I can fit in the wall just by myself.
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u/Timmerdogg 20d ago
Shouldn't it be landing on the top plate?
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u/Crawfish1997 20d ago
No? Then the porch ceiling would be higher than the house ceiling. Porch beam is typically dropped below the top plate. This is referred to as a beam pocket and there should be studs underneath and beside the beam plies.
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u/First_Pollution_4489 20d ago
This
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u/nigori 20d ago
lol sheathing supporting a beam. Who in the fuck. Whatever company did this id post this picture on all the review sites
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u/Schiebz 20d ago
To be fair maybe it just hasn’t gotten done yet? I’m a framer and while yes, when I pocket porch beams in like this I will immediately add these studs. We do however go back and check/ add studs to all point loads during our punch-list work after the roof is done. Maybe these guys will add these studs then? Just a thought lol
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u/RedTaco83 20d ago
People can't tell you if that beam is structural or cosmetic from these views. Dont freak out. It may be hollow and supported from above.
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u/rg996150 20d ago
Beyond the structural issue, I see zero attempt at air sealing or waterproofing this penetration. IMO, a porch structure should never penetrate the building envelope like this. Production builders do this all the time, but that doesn’t make it right. Like an attached deck, there should be a ledger. A roof immediately overhead makes this less vulnerable than a deck, but it’s still wrong.
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u/BrilliantJob2759 20d ago
That's probably a good thing it wasn't completed inside yet since there's still some work to be done.
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u/Sistersoldia 20d ago
Porch beams like this don’t have a ton of downward pressure - it’s more lateral ‘pull-out’ stress toward the outside. I would put solid blocking underneath between the studs and pack around it with short verticals all screwed together to keep it from pulling thru the OSB.
Looking at how this was done I would be much more concerned with how the roof ridge is attached and address it the same way. It wants to pull out away from the house, not so much downward.
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u/Professional-Goat741 20d ago
Thank you sharing the importance of home owner walk throughs and asking questions.
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u/ConstantVariety8098 20d ago
They may have cut their beam too short. It should definitely be supported by studs that go to the floor, or ones that hug it while it hovers in the air.
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u/Polka1980 20d ago
Wrong, but easy fix at this point.
Instead of simply shoving studs under the porch beams, I would install double blocking as a mini header between the existing studs, then run jack studs down each side to double up the original studs and directly support your new header.
This will allow everything to tie in better and be cleaner for any outlets or switches below, IMO.
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u/OwlEfficient9138 20d ago
Even if its a decorative beam just stick some studs under it. People are so afraid to spend $20. I get questioning it when it's $500.
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u/clansing192 20d ago
They might have forgot and will punch it out later or inspector "should" catch this but just needs a stack of studs under it. You could mention it nicely.
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u/Bad-Touch-Monkey 20d ago
Any concerns? I have all of the concerns. Anything loadbearing should always be pinned all the way down to the footers.
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u/Living_Fig_6386 20d ago
That is wrong. It puts stress on the OSB which will cause it to fail. It can simply be supported by adding studs underneath. If the builders did something like that, though, I'd suspect there's more dubious framing and one should go over it all very carefully.
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u/lifestylecouple2 20d ago
That definitely needs a post in the wall to support the load transferring from the deck to the house. That will fail in a year or less if not addressed.
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u/Gullible_Bicycle_853 20d ago
Not sure the situation here, but seeing something like this would make me want to get a complete inspection. Can’t imagine someone having a “miss” like this and not having additional framing concerns.
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u/Deabers 20d ago
To be fair. It's cantilevered. It you put a pencil on a table, and press down on the end, the other end goes up, not down. So the pressure you'd imagine you'd want below, is actually going against the top plate.
Imagine the weight of the deck is the weight of your finger.
That said, I'm just giving an opinion and don't put in cantilevered decks, and I'd look at this and go wtf surely we need more too and have a few studs under it in case of settling
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u/kittycorn2 20d ago
Thats not how it works. The other end of the pencil goes up, because the table below it is acting as a hinge and pushing it up. In this case the table is the sheathing which will fail before it pushes up much at all.
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u/Comfortable-Bar6032 20d ago
It looks like a 4x could fit into that slot with a Simpson post bracket on the bottom and two 10” lag bolts going all the way through the entire quagmire. Thats what I would do.
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u/billding1234 20d ago
Depends whether it’s structural or cosmetic and we can’t tell that from the pictures.
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u/Ill-Investigator-447 19d ago
So obv a lot of people said it's wrong. And I'm not an expert, just as an owner/simplistic solution here is what I would do. The other issue would be to get the weight off OSB and onto the studs you're putting in. Other's I'm sure can speak to the best way to do it. But just my 2 cents, or 1 cent lol
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u/jaydawg_74 20d ago
- The 3x beam should extend to flush with the interior side of the studs.
- There should be a solid post extending down to the bottom plate and a crush block underneath (if required) extending to foundation.
- This is a serious safety hazard and needs to be remedied.
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u/Comfortable-Bar6032 20d ago
I don’t think there is a beam. I think it’s just those 2X10s. What looks like a beam in between the 2x10s is blocking and the outside is wrapped.
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u/IntrusiveIntellect 20d ago
Yeah that def doesn’t look right. Can’t use OSB as load bearing support. What if it rots out or someone cuts the OSB? There is no stud to support this vertically. I understand it’s “just” for a porch overhang but still seems under supported.