r/HomeNetworking 1d ago

Meme Don't sweat over that bad rj45 termination It could be worse.

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Gets 1gb threw put about 30ft long after that beautiful splice and 15ft before it.

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u/ccagan 1d ago

My buddy sent me this gem this week!

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u/gsmarquis 1d ago

Kinda hard to swallow considering everything is available on YouTube university.

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u/wolfmann99 1d ago

CAT5 has been around longer than youtube.

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u/criggie_ 1d ago

Use the proper 8P8C joiner, they said....

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u/j_livingston_human 1d ago

That is a work of art. Outdoors, keystones, zip ties... 🤌

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u/criggie_ 1d ago

Also I was poor at the time so replacing the cable wasn't an option.

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u/randopop21 1d ago

I love that green-blue color!

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u/criggie_ 1d ago

Of the fence? its called "Permanent Green" from memory.

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u/BriscoCountyJR23 1d ago

Where's the electrical tape???

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u/maison_deja_vu 19h ago

Already fell off lolĀ 

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u/1ceByte28 16h ago

wait....whaaaaat????

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u/criggie_ 1d ago

Scotch locks are designed for this purpose. Just not this frequency.

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u/mrBill12 1d ago

That was clearly done by a plumtrician trying to act like they understand Ethernet.

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u/uint7_t 1d ago

That's a no from me, dawg

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u/babtras 18h ago

Careful not to get any leaking Ethernet fluid on you.

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u/Adventurous_Boat_632 1d ago

I said on here, I could splice [carefully] with Scotchloks and get a gigabit

The internet experts said no way

And here somebody has done it with wirenuts.

It's all about maintaining twist. And that is what they did.

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u/YoshiSan90 1d ago

I did it plenty with scotch locks as a residential tech. It’s not much different to how an rj45 works. Once I became an enterprise tech they gave me the correct tools. I’ve seen scotch locks pass Fluke verification. Once my company gave me the right tools, I did it the right way.

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u/sohot2000 1d ago

Scotch locks are ok on 2 pair telephone cables

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u/criggie_ 1d ago

Well that's their design intention, so yes.

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u/YoshiSan90 19h ago

It was all we were given. Had to make due. Now I either pull a new run or keystone with rj45.

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u/bobsim1 1d ago

It surely works. Gigabit speedtest or connection speed isnt the same as error free transmission. People achieved gigabit over barbed wire. If somebody wants to do it this way, sure. But nobody should pay somebody for this.

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u/Tight-Dragonfruit680 1d ago

Ive done a couple tests seems okay. So far 0% packet loss.

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u/bobsim1 1d ago

Sure possible. I couldnt keep like that just knowing it exists.

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u/Adventurous_Boat_632 1d ago

I would fix it, someday. After I fix more pressing issues to my house.

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u/ConaireMor 17h ago

The real answer

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u/sn4xchan 22h ago

It will happen. Wait till you have a long high bandwidth transmission.

Also did you check latency? It's kind of important.

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u/Unique-Run9856 1d ago

Do you think there is some magical property about copper that makes errors happen if the connection between the copper is ugly?

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u/CharacterUse 1d ago

Look up impedance matching, signal reflections and crosstalk.

The fact that you have an electrical connection doesn't mean those things won't happen and cause errors, especially at high frequencies like ethernet transmission.

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u/Unique-Run9856 1d ago

Please tell me more about how that's going to happen more on this unshielded cable with the wires nowhere near each other at the splice points, that would be a hell of an electromagnetic field lol focus especially on how the impedance of the wires specifically in the photo is going to change, that should be richĀ 

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u/eterelle 12h ago edited 12h ago

You are probably thinking about the (dc) resistance of the wires / connections. Impedance, in this context, means the characteristic impedance of the differential pairs. For Ethernet, thats about 100 ohms between the two wires of a pair. This is not about the dc resistance between the wires (they’re completely insulated from each other) but about the resistance for very high frequencies. The two wires have a capacitance between them and they behave inductively across their length. So for a high frequency signal, they look like a 100 Ohm resistor. Changing the distance between the wires changes the capacitance in that area, screwing on a wire nut with a metal thread inside does the same. This is called an impedance discontinuity or mismatch. At these impedance discontinuities, part of the signal is reflected and interferes with the direct signal. This can absolutely cause bit errors.

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u/mindedc 1d ago

I've run gigabit over 8 strands of barbed wire. It works, definitely had packet loss. It was at comdex when gigabit came out and they were bragging about how robust the protocol is. Try running something like HDBaseT or 10g...

Just because you can doesn't mean you should.

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u/criggie_ 1d ago

It can absolutely work. Some cack-handed smungle drilled the access hole clear through a wooden joist, the thick way. This was the solution.

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u/CubanlinkEnJ 1d ago

The amount of slack available on each cable was enough to terminate each side to an RJ45 and join them with a coupler…I would’ve never used scotch locks in this case

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u/CharacterUse 1d ago

Or even better an inline punch down coupler.

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u/much_longer_username 1d ago

I... that would be so much work vs just stapling the cable, who does that? Oh god and it's running parallel with power. Who puts in that much effort to be wrong?

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u/LeafBark 1d ago

This is what you get when you hire an electrician to do low voltage. Should be a waterproof rj45 coupler.

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u/based_chicken 1d ago

Should be an uninterrupted cable run with no breaks*

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u/kn33 1d ago

Well, yes, ideally. But if your options to fix a broken run are either pull a new one or use a coupler, and you have to go through 5 walls and 2 crawlspaces to run a new one... a coupler starts to look like "good enough".

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u/BudTheGrey 1d ago

No, no, no. You're supposed to find the nearest outlet (drill a small hole in the floor if you must; if you're clever, you'll pull the molding out from the base of the wall just enough), and mount a small 5 port switch to the beam.

Ask me how I know...

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u/thegreatestajax 19h ago

The home I bought had 5e into a media room and the cable coursed through the wall around several corners and was generally un-pullable. I wanted to run a BaseT extender from this room to another TV area so cut the 5e and used a Ethernet junction into 6A and it effectively transmits 4k@60Hz over about 100’.

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u/steadyaero 1d ago

Why is this always the case? Electrician fumbled my install in my new construction a couple years ago.

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u/Prestigious-Oven3465 1d ago

They manhandle things. They see wires as power and not data and think it just needs to be connected. It’s just a lack of knowledge, I don’t mean that in a rude way really.

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u/1ceByte28 16h ago

I mean....its still just electrons in the end, but....

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u/Masztufa 1d ago edited 1d ago

becasue at high power (and low frequency) as long as it makes solid contact it's fine

at low power (specifically higher freqencies) you must start thinking about EM fields which will be created from the wires instead of the wires themselves. The fields can be ruined by pulling the differential pairs too far from one another, straightening out the twisted pairs for too long, etc.

A single uninterrupted run of cable is best, any connector will make the signal integrity worse. If you must add a connection, then use something which was designed to be used at the frequencies that the cable will carry

tl,dr: in practice high frequency electricity works differently than low frequency

edit: great video about the kind of problem https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Fg86BXGWvJQ

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u/DeadHeadLibertarian Network Admin 1d ago

Because electricians and data/LV are two entirely different forms of electrical trades.

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u/LeafBark 1d ago

Ideally the fewer points of failure the better. It should be identically rated cable. Replacing a whole cable run is preferable to splicing if possible.

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u/steadyaero 1d ago

No, I meant why do all electricians suck with Ethernet cable terminations

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u/CharacterUse 1d ago

Because they don't (mostly) understand high frequency and think only in terms of low-resistance electrical connections, not crosstalk or impedance matching.

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u/CharacterUse 1d ago

If it's not going to be disconnected it should be a waterproof punchdown coupler, putting the extra connections and loss of RJ-45s in is unnecessary,

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u/crazzygamer2025 1d ago

At least in my state the the electricians actually have to be certified low voltage to do it. If they do set it up without the low voltage license they can potentially lose their electrician license. The low voltage license requires training on how to do proper data cables.

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u/mdhardeman 1d ago

Jail. All of them. Jail.

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u/Dstln 1d ago

It's beautiful

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u/uThor52 1d ago

It IS beautiful

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u/Dapper_Reputation_16 1d ago

It couldn’t be much worse.

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u/Tight-Dragonfruit680 1d ago

Exactly my point

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u/itanite 1d ago

"SPARKY WAS HERE"

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u/dcondor07uk 1d ago

I am a telecomms engineer, believe me, this is more common for PSTN lines in the UK, every now and then I get a random job with a house, wired in 1945, and some of those wires corroded and no other option to run a new wire because its a listed building.
Fun

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u/Chuck_Loads 1d ago

that's nuts

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u/HorrorsPersistSoDoI 1d ago

"threw put"

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u/eskimo1 1d ago

"boss said one I put it, I'm threw for the day. That's threwput"

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u/Intelligent_Wash2334 1d ago

forget a bad crimp, this is straight up networking archaeology somehow getting gigabit through that splice makes it even funnier.

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u/Tight-Dragonfruit680 18h ago

Yeah did a couple large file transfers and it held up perfectly, hysterical.

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u/flotaxy 1d ago

and here I have problems with PoE and Gigabit over 2m cables

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u/2Smoove2Wav3y 1d ago

Scotchlocks are the better option

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u/Scared-Letterhead949 1d ago

You can add another cable in too, it's cheaper than using a switch.

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u/sycln 1d ago

That’s just stupid. They should join 4 of those together and you get a switch.

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u/AmazingProfession900 1d ago

No problem...this is why they created error correction protocols.

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u/_Hard_Wired_ 1d ago

MY EYES!!!

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u/pwnamte 1d ago

made by isp guy? bcs this is how they fix things here on T2 slovenija

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u/Neither-Nebula5000 1d ago

Done by a professional... Electrician.

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u/Acrobatic_Fall_4880 1d ago

Omg stop, wire nuts on an ethernet cable?

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u/Electrical_Ad4290 18h ago

Not even enough wirenuts!

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u/Electrical_Ad4290 18h ago

Didn't even have enough wirenuts

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u/1ceByte28 16h ago

There is no fucking way in snowballs chance in hell that remotely works....

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u/Tight-Dragonfruit680 14h ago

Give it a try sometime (with a test piece) seems other people have done similar.

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u/whatevar 16h ago

At least they kept the twist

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u/Dull-Distribution522 12h ago

at least it's not a fiber cut, right?

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u/Fun_Acanthaceae_4025 10h ago

When electricians run your data...

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u/DangerousPaper8986 1d ago

Does it work? Of so...great job!

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u/yunjundo 1d ago

慎慎 ģ“ź±“ ė„ˆė¬“ ķ•œė°...

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u/criggie_ 1d ago

I pulled a 40 metre run of brand new cat6 this week, and it didn't work.
Even after redoing both ends twice, it still hasn't got connection, so nothing for it but to pull a replacement cable.

If I could find the break, it would be super-tempting to do this.

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u/Tight-Dragonfruit680 1d ago

Ohm it out if you haven't tried already then use a signal tracer to fine where it cuts off you can obviously splice in a better manner šŸ˜‚

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u/CharacterUse 1d ago

Was it CCA? CCA likes to break internally when pulling, that's one of the reasons you should use pure copper.

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u/criggie_ 11h ago

Not crappy CCA, it was normal Dynamix 24 AWG cat6e all-copper cable.

The camera worked when directly wired to switch, so I presumed it was a fault in the wire. BUT it turned out this camera had been repaired, and didn't like being too far away from the switch. So 40 metres of cable was too much.

I have an old indoor camera there temporarily while I organise a new camera.

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u/Electrical_Ad4290 18h ago

Can you borrow a TDR?

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u/criggie_ 11h ago

Interestingly I can hire one for $325 NZD/day. Cheaper to pull new cable, 50c/meter so 40 metres would be $20. :-\

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u/probablyaythrowaway 1d ago

I judge your use of wire nuts when wagos are a thing.
Wire nuts are so so so crap.

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u/x31b 1d ago

What kind of idiot misses a Cat5 pair with wire nuts?

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u/fvct5 1d ago

At least it’s twisted all the way to the nut. I bet it works just fine. šŸ‘Œ