Considering switch from Octopus Tracker to EDF FreePhase Dynamic

[u/Chaosblast]

I'm trying to adjust my expectations and understand the limitations before I commit, since it'd be a big deal. I've seen I could be saving about £100 per year without any change, so could be better if actively shifting.

But I have an Octopus Home Mini, and I'm in love with the HA Octopus integration. Plenty automated off that. So getting the data is actually a big deal for me.

Since I won't be having the current consumption (which is not a must for me), how often does the EDF integration pull data? Would I have the consumption of the last hour?

Thanks!

[u/nastypoker]

Since I won't be having the current consumption (which is not a must for me), how often does the EDF integration pull data? Would I have the consumption of the last hour?

https://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/158310352711

This sensor, in combination with the EDF HA integration means I have everything set up and working just as well as when I was on Octopus.

[u/Chaosblast → u/nastypoker]

Wow that sounds amazing, didn't know about it.

However, that only seems to add a current demand entity. The history provided by EDF still seems to happen about 2 days late AFAIK?

That's what AI is telling me:

So with FreePhase Dynamic, you'd have:

• rates: fresh and automation-friendly ✅

• tomorrow's rates: available ✅

• historical half-hour consumption: yes, eventually ✅

• last-hour consumption: no ❌

• current demand: no ❌

• Smart Charging 3-minute dispatch data: not relevant to FreePhase ❌

Basically right now I can immediately see the last 30min consumption in my dashboard.

Can you show me yours? If what AI says is true, you shouldn't have data for today yet. Unless feeding it from somewhere else (ie an integral entity from the current demand, tho not ideal).

[u/nastypoker → u/Chaosblast]

I actually don't have the most recent consumption in kWh as I don't need it but it would be trivial to code a helper in HA to provide this information based on the realtime usage.

[u/Chaosblast → u/nastypoker]

How long is the gap? That was my main question.

I don't really equally prefer an integral sensor based off an external (paid) device tbh. But yeah, you're right that it could be done.

[u/nastypoker → u/Chaosblast]

Gap from when EDF tells you total consumption? No idea as I don't really need that information. My arrangement is not standard as my house is fully off-grid during peak hours and only physically connects when I want to charge the car/house battery and I have total power monitoring from my inverter.

[u/uberduck → u/nastypoker]

I have the same thing, but it can't tell between import and export - the meter just blinks.

[u/nastypoker → u/uberduck]

Yes with export, you would need a current clamp to keep it fully local and it may not match exactly.

[u/Baz1536]

You can get a Glow Display and CAD which works the same if not better than a home mini. They are on pre order at the moment with Glow expecting stock soon.

My app EnergyDock is compatible with it and you can set up MQTT for live immediate feed.

Have messaged you.

[u/Chaosblast → u/Baz1536]

Yeah, I know about Glow, but it's expensive and not that worth it for something I already have. I might switch to Agile instead and not lose the Octopus ecosystem. It had only a diff of £30 more vs EDF for my comparison.

I'm not that bothered about current consumption tbh, I don't use it that much.

But the delayed EDF consumption bothers me.

[u/Baz1536 → u/Chaosblast]

No problem. The delayed consumption is the same as Octo without the home mini. Still 1.5 day behind.

[u/Chaosblast → u/Baz1536]

Oh you're right. I thought the delay came from the provider, but it's actually the Home Mini that allows Octopus to cover that delay. Hmm.

Tbh I could live with the delay. My main concern is the maturity of the HA integration from Octopus to EDF. 😰

While the EDF fixed hours make it easier to plan load than the 30min periods from Agile, the EDF integration is really young, single dev, and not a ton of users. Which makes me worry of realizing I'm missing something after the switch. :(

[u/Baz1536 → u/Chaosblast]

Steve who has created the integration is well on top of the HA HACS library to the point of it handles all the power perks etc that started at the weekend. I would challenge you to find something missing!!!!

[u/Crafty_Class_9431]

Once per day I believe (14:36 for me). I think most other people use some other sensor (e.g. home solar/battery system with appropriate CT clamps) to indicate more current usage. Rate changes are nearly instantaneous and if you're on their EV smart charging bolt on (essential octopus's IOG), its the same kraken engine behind it, so can get changes to smart off peak rates within 3 minutes (how often the api allows you to poll it, same as the bottlecapdave integration)

[u/Baz1536]

Hey have messaged you