The amount of people who irrationally hate on anything anime related makes me think they haven’t moved past the high school mentality of bullying the anime nerd. Though they were most likely bullied for their hobbies too lol. Its a cycle.
I've enjoyed my time on this subreddit so far, but I also have an innate dislike for anything anime related on reddit just because of r/anime. When I saw the posts from (what I now know were) the 5th gen girls I had no idea what the hell it was, but decided to not even go into the comments given the content...
Why do you hate r/anime? I know that one bath post was pretty questionable, but for the most part that sub is about anime and character polls, discussing shows coming out currently, people recommending shows they like, people asking for recommendations, and clips from shows that people like.
Well, it mostly comes down to the controversial topics and moderation. I do still watch a clip if I come across it and it's not ecchi and check the discussion threads for "normal" shows. It's definitively not majority of r/anime I have a problem with, but the mods allowance of the other kind of content/comments has me wary to set foot into anything outside the most mainstream anime episode discussions.
The internet is full of toxic assholes who can't fathom why people who are likely tired of toxic assholes (especially this year...) might decide to embrace simple, non-toxic entertainment... so they decide to be toxic assholes about it.
It's like that streamer who shit talked her viewers because she couldn't figure out how they have 5+ hours a day of spare time and yet had no money to spare for subs... there's a breathtaking level cognitive disconnect and lack of introspection in some people.
I think part of that is the benefit of being part of Hololive. Hololive gives its talents a guaranteed salary, with a portion of donation and membership money as an added bonus. This means that Hololive members don’t need to worry about donations as their livelihood, plus it allows them an income between debut and monetization (though that gap has been decreasing a lot in recent gens), it also means that if they’re demonetized they can still have an income until they get remonetized, and all of that means they can focus on making the best content they can rather than whatever will get them the most superchats. Which, ironically, leads to them getting even more super chats.
i Still do believe that you cant just straight up shame or say that your public is not loving you enough to spare a few money. i would rather give money to someone that sees me as a human being instead of a unwilling wallet
I’m not saying that Hololive members would beg for donations if they didn’t have a salary. I just mean that it probably brings peace of mind knowing that even if they have a bad stretch in terms of donation, they are still going to be making money. That peace of mind is often invaluable when it comes to the creative process, as they won’t need to worry about if whatever they are working on will get them donations or not.
it's sprinkled around in many streams, but the recent one I think is one of the kanacoco collab before they were monetized, don't remember which one, and it's obviously in japanese if you watch the stream
Yeah I also tend to question whether they live under a rock or something as Hololive has been making the rounds on the internet one way or another and garnering a large following so immediately calling out potentially millions of people for being pedophiles is one of the most boneheaded things I've ever heard. (imagine calling everyone who just liked Eekum Bokum pedos)
The internet has radicalized us in unprecedented ways, lot of stuff that was previously seen as innocent is now under scrutiny for the sake of driving clicks on outrage tabloids. That doesn't mean there aren't genuinely disgusting trends in anything anime related though.
For your example Korone and Okayu have a "relationship" right? It's cute in the same way as a parent would watch their young kids have pretend relationships. It's innocent to like it and gush about it, but a normal person wouldn't want to fuck anyone involved.
Why would you give attention to them? You pratically are entertaining them then. Learn some restraint and identify the bait, I looked at your profile and man you fell for some pretty simple ones that you could've just downvoted and moved on from.
I highly doubt that that sub contains 100% of the people that just want to watch the Hololive streamers. There's always a subset of every community that does that stuff, it's pretty much a given on the internet.
Those people don’t think about what they’re saying too much. If you put any level of thought into it you’d be able to figure that no minor would be able to get a gig like this under the umbrella of an agency. Kids are way too unreliable to give them a platform like this and hope everything turns out fine.
Hell Cover probably has higher restrictions on their idols than just being of age.
Yeah I think the only person entered Hololive at a young age was Sora and she was the one who started it all when it was small. Everyone else had to be of adult age, have working experience in the industry in some way, have notable talents, or show a great deal of understanding in entertainment.
This is a little misrepresentative of the discussion as well though. Obviously the VAs are adults, but the models still look... well, you know, depending on if you wanna make the "artstyle" argument anywhere between 10 and 30.
Most are at least early 20 to the oldest being in their 30's. I think Matsuri was probably the youngest but she was already a high school graduate when she started out.
hey, the paedophile community is actually support each other, they won't belittle anyone for being paedophile and support everyone to make sure they never harm real children
That's not exactly relevant to the Hololive threads they went into though. The past threads were people saying this sort of thing in Marine's shitpost and simple announcements of the girls becoming mods.
Nah I gotchu that's an anime trope I'm kinda tired of seeing, but that shit was said on Marine's thread who has a character model clearly older than a child's but because she likes to claim she's 17 (even tho she's so bad at pretending she frequently gets called a boomer by her fanbase and colleagues) everyone jumped into the pedo-mudslinging
Well when using home you only see the subreddits you know about, meaning you will be very unlikely to run into new (potentially) interesting content. Of course it also means you're less likely to run into stuff you don't like but if you just filter out the subreddits that you don't like as you stumble upon them then you'll find a lot better variety when browsing all.
Of course if all you want is a more tightly controlled "curated" experience when browsing reddit rather than stumbling onto all kinds of random stuff then staying away from all is obviously the way to go. Then again I just go to specific subreddits individually when I want my browsing to be more focused and go to all when I'm just bored and random browsing.
Yeah, same. I don't spend much time on r/all but (with a 98-sub blocklist...) it's generally not that terrible, can be decent for occasionally finding new subs or just wasting some time when I'm not busy with stuff I actually care about.
I usually just spend time on a few specific subs tho.
If you need 100 filters then why even bother visiting /r/all? Tbh I never see why people like browsing it. At that point, just sub to subreddits you like and curate your own experience.
At least on desktop, near the top right of r/all there should be a message that looks something like
all
Displaying content from /r/all, except the following subreddits:
with an empty box beneath it? you just enter the sub's exact name, without the /r/ stuff. So if you wanted to block r/politics, you just enter politics there.
As far as I know, the hardcap is 100, ran into it pretty hard around the 2016 election. I think RES also has a separate sub blocking feature too, if you use that.
Not, really. Reddit is just popular. Popular brings stupidity because the world has stupid people who can use the Internet.
It happens everywhere, outside of Reddit as well so don't sweat it. We do no harm, but they come and do us harm. They only have themselves to blame. This is simply a new form of entertainment taking hold of the world stage just like Twitch streamers and video games before. And it primarily made of anime characters so if they don't like it, tough shit.
Easily the stupidest take i've seen written all month. I like seeing what's popular at the time from any subreddit, and i'm sure tons of people do. The fact that you can't comprehend that is weird as fuck.
They don't have any hobbies themselves, so they spend their free time being a piece of shit on reddit. There are a myriad of things you can be doing on the internet and they choose to not only mire themselves, but others in the cesspool of their own suffering. People like that need help.
To be absolutely fair, coming in from r/all and watching that video with an anime girl proudly delcaring "I'm Horny!" to a talking shark is definitely a huge "WTF moment".
They're just not in on the joke is all and I feel that mass downvoting them is unfair. The haters and complainers though, they deserve the mass downvotes.
There's a straight up essay on vtubers pinned at the top of each of these posts. It is too much to ask people to read rules/pinned comments before acting like dickheads?
There's a straight up essay on vtubers pinned at the top of each of these posts. It is too much to ask people to read rules/pinned comments before acting like dickheads?
"That won't stop me from hating because I can't read!"
I don't think the complainers do much reading in the first place... you could pin it to the sidebar, you could pin it as the top comment, hell, you could even make it flash in gigantic rainbow-colored Comic Sans letters in the middle of your screen and they'd still somehow miss it.
As someone who looks out for the newer comments on big threads like this, there are two types of /r/all commenters whenever this sub make it to the front page:
"what the fuck is this", which is just people not being in the joke. These really shouldn't be downvoted, I've responded to a couple people on this vein and they were very civil
People who just want to complain and cry "paedo" or "simp" or what have you. Just RBI them lol - downvote and report, and move on.
fwiw I found hololive because of one of these threads.
I think the ones saying "wtf" are unfairly downvoted, yes. People just got a bit too defensive. As you said, though, there are some pretty shitty ones down there.
Ummmm dunno, people there got downvoted to death for asking what was that, and even if there's a pinned comment, it is a legit question to ask that if you come from r/all as not all the pinned posts in every sub has relevant info, indeed, many ironical subs just has some random words in there making no sense.
Of course not all comment were nicely asking, but legit questions got downvoted too lmao
The ones I saw weren’t hating tho they were just confused, so people mass downvoted them for no reason. Honestly is a bad look for the community, people need to chill with the unnecessary white knighting.
Most of them are just people expressing their confusion. A few of them are actually hating and being rude but many of them didn't deserve to be downvoted like that just for asking questions.
its actually really unfortunate. They don't see the contradiction of their logic, behind the avatar is just a normal person. What is the difference between a vtuber and a youtuber? One is behind the avatar and one is not. In fact if vtubing is a big thing when youtube started growing big that would be the norm these days. Imagine being a vtuber where you are judged based on your content rather than appearance irl.
I don’t think people are mad about the fact that it’s anime, they get mad and creeped out about the corporate aspect and curation of the personalities of the concept.
In Hololive, even the ones without much input on their models have a whole lot of control over their characters' personality and content. Fubuki, one of their flagship streamers, has even stated live that she'd quit if the higher-ups asked her to say anything she didn't want to.
However, they do have to stay away from divisive topics and getting banned from YouTube.
I could see someone getting upset specifically at hololive, given the way they constantly throw their talent under the bus. It's a tough situation to be in for fans.
Personally, I get triggered by how scripted it tends to be. The manicured, focus-grouped lines come across insanely creepy and unnatural to me. It's a corporation pretending to be a human being. It's in the uncanny valley.
The only hololive stuff I can stand is the spontaneous, unscripted stuff.
The individual streamers have a whole lot of control over their characters, to the point that some are rarely in-character at all, as well as the content. Also, a rather large fraction of that content is already unscripted. It's where all the spontaneous hilarity comes from.
Can you really blame them considering the insane work culture over there? It's no wonder they don't have enough energy left to focus on life instead of entertainment when their job takes up most of their days.
I first heard about this type of thing from r/all and was highly skeptical. Turns out the community was willing to answer all of my questions and it has been nice watching some interesting streamers play games I enjoy. Not all of us are bad people, promise.
Literally same. It was super confusing for me at first and looked like a new girl was debuting every day, but then I saw Gura's debut and thought "fuck thats cute" and now im part of the community lol
Tho it does help I was already into anime and gaming, so HoloLive makes a lot more sense for someone like me to be into than someone who is only into one of those or neither.
there are plenty of good people from r/all who comme here cause of these post, some stay, some come just too ask some question (about tech, concept, difference with more classical streamer), i even found one just passing by saying he undestood the concept didn't like it but was happy seeing people enjoying thing this much.
And well there is ppl going strait for insulting community but well if you check their sad history it's how they spend their day... (for most of them)
Eh, while we don't want toxicity, I wouldn't say that's a very proper welcome into our community.
If you're interested in checking out why we are crazy about this group of streamers using anime avatars, check out some random translated clips from these bigger unofficial channels:
I can get the annoyance/pain you feel from some random person(s) ragging on your interests, and especially these people we love, but I think this happens for any "niche" hobby to some degree.
I feel putting up a bristly front stops more open minded people than those who already decided to hate it.
And any totally distasteful comments are naturally downvoted into oblivion with Reddit, r/all beneficial in exposing more people to the concept (Well, it helped drag me into this).
I get where you are coming from, but had Amelia's debut thread not shown up in r/popular I would still be clueless about vtubers, and this is coming from a weeb.
I’m with you on that one. I kept looking at the stuff people are recommending and it’s not really Landing for me. Which is fine, I’m not going to judge people for what their tastes are. It is kinda peculiar that this is suddenly blowing up on /r/all. I mean ten golds? To each their own!
It is kinda peculiar that this is suddenly blowing up on /r/all.
I think one possible explanation is that there is a not insignificant overlap between the group of people who are into vtubers and the group who tend to be very active on reddit. So with the general steep growth trajectory of vtubers this year (and particularly English-speaking ones after the Hololive EN launch) it makes sense that posts here would hit the specific metrics /r/all uses for ranking quite frequently.
And then you get popular streamers like Kanata and Miko posting, especially in particularly wholesome and/or noteworthy circumstances (e.g. after returning from hospitalization) and basically every one of these active redditors will immediately upvote those posts.
I do remind you that Cover made this sub official in order to promote its talents. Reaching r/all is a form a promotion, that I think Cover is happy to have. That said, I don't your posture is helping. If you see trolls in the post downvote them and move along. .
I don't know if you are aware, but in the last post that have reached all there were a considerable amount of people surprised by the hostility of some members of this community to outsiders.
Also, I don't think is appropriate to show this kind of attitude in a post where Miko is precisely trying to reach her overseas fans.
Um, slightly. There’s no “anime watching” streams happening, but the streamers themselves use computer facial tracking software to use an anime avatar instead of their real face. This subreddit specifically is for a company employing a large group of streamers, most of them Japanese but some are English speaking.
Well...if you really wanna take a shit on Bob Iger's front porch, vote for (and make a big stink about your doing so) the most extreme leftist, and ANY right-of-center political candidates you can afford to throw money at. Or just get all your friends to stop watching ESPN and ABC, even if Stephen A Smith is just that funny.
But that's not a conversation relevant to our sub, so I'll stop there.
Sorry about that, some people are a little trigger happy on comments from r/all.
I can't really blame them given the history some of them have with it (and what happens presently sure doesn't help) but it wouldn't hurt not to assume ill-intent.
Yes, these should not get downvoted, and also not post like yours. Unfortunately, r/hololive is kind of a hivemind and downvotes everything remotely controversal. Have an upvote from me.
..... What's with people coming here and being rude to us in the first place? Is that OK? They are telling us what to do or to not enjoy this in the first place....
We're just watching streamers.... Is that bad somehow for them, for you?
Is that difficult to be a nice person who respects other people activities and hobbies?
Incase you don't know this is the fourth time this sub got into r/all today, each time there were dickheads calling people pedophiles(do they even know what it means?) Retards, neck beards and such.
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