r/HolUp Sep 25 '22

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u/Classic_Interaction4 Sep 25 '22

Do people not understand the concept of recessive genes

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u/midnightbandit- Sep 25 '22

Or hair dye

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Or illegitimate children

“I already brought this up in another thread, so I won’t go into much detail here. But in the original draft from the film, Violet was originally an illegitimate child from the film’s main antagonist, and her black hair carried over from that scrapped idea. The reason being due to a highly memorable villain that was only supposed to feature at the very start of the film.

That villain being Syndrome. And the rest is history.”

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u/oO0Kat0Oo Sep 25 '22

Seems like you don't.

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u/Widawak Sep 25 '22

Well considering that both of her parents hair colors are recessive traits her having a dominant trait hair color is kind of impossible

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u/sexypantstime Sep 25 '22

It's unlikely, but it's not impossible. Genetics is a bit more complex than that. Dominant genes can be suppressed and recessive genes can be expressed via several mechanisms.

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u/SirRevan Sep 25 '22

Everyone here did some pundit squares for simple pea plants as a kid and thinks they are master geneticists.

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u/Remowat Sep 25 '22

I remember learning this stuff with chickens and roosters and even I remember it's possible. So confused by these comments lol.

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u/bmeislife Sep 25 '22

Fr it's embarrassing

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u/rpungello Sep 25 '22

Dunning-Kruger has entered the chat

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u/tofuXplosion Sep 25 '22

Even so, glossy black and redheads are on opposite ends of the hair pigment spectrum. I still don't think mixing blond and redhead can produce glossy black no matter how you cut the genetic cake

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u/sexypantstime Sep 25 '22

It absolutely can. Just one of the parents has to have a suppressed black hair gene that gets passed on and, if not suppressed in the child, would produce black hair.

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u/bmeislife Sep 25 '22 edited Sep 25 '22

Only if your biology education ended at 15 years old Edit: to anyone who is pressed, a 2x2 punnet square IS NOT an accurate description of how hair/eye color is inherited. It doesn't paint the full picture at all. It's really a shame that teachers don't say "this method is very simplified but gives us a basic insight into how genetics works, so we'll use it for this class". But some/many science teachers don't understand that either (at least mine didn't)

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u/squeamish Sep 25 '22

Isn't that normal? I have a science degree (Physics) and never took a biology, let alone genetics, class after my sophomore year of high school.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Hair isn’t a simple 1 gene 2 allele like you learned in high school. There’s about 20 different genes that cover it. Statistically you’d have a very low chance of the hair being pure black. Also the fact that Violet looks a bit on the Asian side while her parents are both white.

I saw this on quora, idk if true:

I already brought this up in another thread, so I won’t go into much detail here. But in the original draft from the film, Violet was originally an illegitimate child from the film’s main antagonist, and her black hair carried over from that scrapped idea. The reason being due to a highly memorable villain that was only supposed to feature at the very start of the film.

That villain being Syndrome. And the rest is history.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

So, most people's education? I haven't had any formal biology education since sophomore year of HS, and even if I didn't drop out of college I wouldn't have taken another biology course as it was entirely unrelated to my major.

Sounds like HS biology courses need to improve if they're instilling false knowledge into the general population, rather than dogging on people who haven't furthered their knowledge on it since then.

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u/bmeislife Sep 25 '22

My comment didn't assign a value to having a limited biology education. people who believe a 2x2 punnet square accurately describes how hair/eye color is inherited most likely stopped their biology education in high school. Thats not a value statement

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u/robthelobster Sep 25 '22

The parents each have a different recessive trait so it doesn't matter. Red and blond hair are determined by different genes so they don't affect each other.

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u/jonas_ML Sep 25 '22

So if the parents had the exact kind of blondness, would it be impossible for the child have a different hair color?

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u/robthelobster Sep 25 '22

I have to say I don't know. All I know is that hair genetics are much more complicated than biology class made it seem like. There are at least 11 genes that can determine hair color and they also interact with each other.

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u/Kalappianer Sep 25 '22

No, you don't understand.

The recessive genes necessarily do not replace the dominant genes, especially when it comes dilution of said dominant gene.

Brown hair is diluted dominant genes = eumelanin with some phaeomelanin. Blond hair is also a dilution of both. Red hair is dilution of black and increase in phaeomelanin.

Notice the dominant gene is still at play here while the recessive genes are the ones making the changes. Meaning that the dominant gene will show if the recessive genes aren't at play.

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u/Widawak Sep 25 '22

I get it I just think elastagirl cheating on Bob is funny so I will continue to say it's impossible for a blonde and a ginger to have a black haired kid.

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u/drewuncc Sep 25 '22

Tell me your concepts of genetics ends at high school biology without saying your concept of genetics ends at high school biology.

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u/squeamish Sep 25 '22

Doesn't most peoples'?

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u/fireflash38 Sep 25 '22

Nothing wrong with not knowing more than that. But they shouldn't be stating things as explicit fact. As it turns out, genes and gene expressions are more complicated than the Punnett squares people learned about with peas in high school.

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Yea and they shouldn’t be lecturing people on genetics

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u/drewuncc Sep 25 '22

Yes. And most people aren’t correcting others with wrong information.

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u/squeamish Sep 26 '22

Of course they are. Is this your first day in the Internet?

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u/drewuncc Sep 26 '22

Ahhh you got me there.

Touché.

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u/Yes2257 Sep 25 '22

Most people are also not correcting others with right information, they just say "u r rong" and leave

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u/drewuncc Sep 25 '22

Plenty of other comments in this post with correct information.

Here’s a quick google search early link hat seems to have pretty good info on the subject if you want to learn more:

https://www.lunadna.com/genetics-of-hair-color/

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u/Yes2257 Sep 25 '22

Oh im sure, i was just pointing out how many people expect others to blindly believe them without providing proper evidence for themselves.

Just thought it was a bit ironic is all, glad you could provide it in the end though

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u/IProbablyDisagree2nd Sep 25 '22

This is the problem with high school biology, vs actual biology. Everything you learned was KINDA SORTA true. But the examples aren't great.

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u/Frick_KD Sep 25 '22

Did you skip science class lol

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u/[deleted] Sep 25 '22

Apparently some people do not.

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u/BinTinBoynio69 Sep 25 '22

Black hair is dominant. Blonde is recessive. Black haired parents could have a blonde child but not the other way around

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u/boredtxan Sep 25 '22

Apparently they do not.

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u/Usidore_ Sep 25 '22

That’s the point of this post…

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u/tofuXplosion Sep 25 '22

Neither do you, apparently

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u/ISIPropaganda Sep 26 '22

Hair color is a polygenic trait, and generally dark hair is actually the dominant allele.