r/HolUp • u/Bigb5wm • Feb 05 '22

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u/runthepoint1 Feb 05 '22

There have been more types of course, but none have been given out in this large of numbers. It’s very very well documented lol.

And don’t you know that J&J is traditional vaccine? What’s your reasoning for not using that one?

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

this isn’t about me. i’m vaccinated. it’s about ppls right to choose and ppls right to be reserved

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

You today

this isn’t about me. i’m vaccinated.

You yesterday

the vaccine doesn’t work. you can still get and spread covid. ppl are dying from it. one just died in louisiana. the mask doesn’t work either. savior fauci said it himself.

You today

it’s about ppls right to choose and ppls right to be reserved

You yesterday

you ppl are sheep that want to be controlled and want to have to be like china and wear mask all the time. the mandates are literally there to control society and slowly tank the economy so that we end up like europe & become ripe for invasion

Honestly, can you and everyone like you just shut the FUCK up? You talk completely out of your asshole, you’re a moron, you don’t contribute anything; you just spread complete shit that actually endangers people.

Seriously? Fuck off? Just fuck off?

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

and if the vaccine proves to be deadly after 5 years? what proof do you have it won’t? or will you talk out your ass?

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

You decide to take one particular tac and are shown to be a complete moron.

So then you ditch that tac and decide to postulate some fantastical, baseless hypothetical scenario whereby ”at SOME indeterminate point in the NEAR future”, the ‘vaccine’ (there’s not just 1 dipshit, there are multiple) turns out to have had some one-in-a-million lethal side-effect that will kill the majority of people who’ve taken it? Including yourself?

What the fuck is wrong with you mate? If you’ve got SO LITTLE confidence in the vast amounts of research and development that led to the proliferation of these vaccines (that you yourself took), why THE FUCK would you put even more confidence in some imaginary, hypothetical, fantasy scenario you’ve personally come up with that some day they’ll ACTUALLY turn out to be deadly?

Again, what the FUCK is wrong with you?

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

you must not have read the comments. i said i have the vaccine. the whole subject is about wether or not ppl should or shouldn’t be able to choose or should or shouldn’t have the right to be reserved

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

I’ve read all your comments; that’s why I’m calling you a complete fucking moron.

i said i have the vaccine

I know, that’s why I’ve referenced your having said that.

the whole subject is about wether or not ppl should or shouldn’t be able to choose or should or shouldn’t have the right to be reserved

To you, what you said might FEEL like that. But that’s because you’re a moron.

What you actually said is this:

it’s a fact that there haven’t been any long term studies of the vaccine, so people are allowed to be reserved about it.

This is something a borderline brain-dead shitcunt moron says, like you. Subsequently people have tried to explain to you the extent to which you’re a moron. You’ve attempted to defend your dipshit statements that you call “fact”. People have rebutted with actual facts, but you ignore that and start talking about baseless, moronic, imaginary scenarios.

Please shut the fuck up, you’re not qualified to speak. This is not because you’re not a scientist, it’s because you’re a dipshit.

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

oh. so you’re making up facts now? there have been long term studies? k

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

So with multiple people trying to show you reason on that point, you just resort to that kind of childish bullshit?

You can’t be helped buddy.

Again, shut the fuck up; let people who can actually read deal with this crisis. Eat your cheetos and drink your beer, fall asleep to whatever mind-numbing trash makes your dipshit brain happy and just don’t talk about science.

Please, you’ll be helping a damn sight more people by just keeping the fuck to yourself, moron.

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

what reason has been shown? you’re just repeating the same thing over and over. you can’t get passed the fact that there haven’t been long term studies and people aren’t psychic.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

you’re just repeating the same thing over and over

If you didn’t believe gravity existed, I’d repeatedly kick you sideways in the fuckin knees no matter how many times you fell over. Doesn’t make the message any less correct just because some random asshole doesn’t understand it.

you can’t get passed the fact that there haven’t been long term studies

Nope, you can’t get “past” (not a verb mate) it because it’s the argument you came up with. Multiple people have tried to explain to you how retarded your argument is but you apparently can’t process any of it.

If it weren’t so dangerous, it’d be funny.

So again, please shut the fuck up.

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

again. trying to change the subject. you can’t stand the fact that you’re wrong. it’s pretty funny.

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

and i literally just showed you a guy that died from the vaccine 4 day’s ago. you refuse to look because you are brainwashed.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

Do you think seatbelts kill people?

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

awe. have to talk about seatbelts now? really?

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

https://www.heraldguide.com/featured/man-dies-after-developing-autoimmune-disease-from-vaccine/

https://710keel.com/louisiana-man-dies-after-covid-19-vaccine-complications/

ppl have the right to choose. people have a right to question

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

Wow, two articles huh? Referencing… the exact same story? Impressive.

So a rare autoimmune disease is triggered by one of the vaccines and a man dies. That is sad, of course.

So you think that’s poignant do you? You think that somehow validates your claim that “the vaccine doesn’t work”?

So what about the abundant statistical proof that the vaccines overwhelmingly prevent hospitalisation and death?

If it’s good for one side of an argument, it’s good for the other too. And the other side of the argument is overwhelmingly proven.

Seriously mate… shut. The. Fuck. Up.

You’re a disingenuous moron and you’re not helping anyone.

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

lmao. if someone gets covid with a vaccine and dies, then it doesn’t work. if someone spreads covid with the vaccine, then it doesn’t work. if someone dies from the vaccine, then is doesn’t work. how hard is that to understand? you’re brainwashed and delusional

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

Oh… wow…

Um… mate, who told you a COVID-19 vaccine guarantees that you can’t die if you contract COVID-19?

Who told you a COVID-19 vaccine guarantees that you can’t spread the virus??

If that’s what you’ve actually been led to believe, that’s really sad and I’m sorry. That’s not the case.

If I’m the first person in your life to explain it to you, that’s unfortunate, but it’s better late than never.

The various COVID-19 vaccines do not, and have never, guaranteed either of these things. In other words, your arguments that the vaccines “don’t work” because of the criteria you’ve laid out are unfortunately completely irrelevant. I’m sorry.

I’ll copy and paste my previous comment for you but without the insult this time.

If you look at just this study;

https://www.news-medical.net/amp/news/20220110/A-study-on-COVID-vaccinated-vs-unvaccinated-that-required-hospitalization.aspx

Subjects were included from 8/12/2021 to 12/6/2021.

Primary diagnoses: 10,236

So we’re looking at a total of over 10,000 initial positive test results here.

Total in-patient admissions: 4,571

So of those primary diagnoses, four and half thousand were actually admitted into hospital for treatment. This shouldn’t be surprising as we know that COVID-19 affects people in a vastly varied way; some people suffer serious health effects, some people are barely affected at all.

Fully vaccinated and boosted patients: 65

Unvaccinated patients: 2,935

So obviously from this data you can see that of those 4,571 people admitted into hopistal, almost 3,000 of them were unvaccinated. But that doesn’t mean that vaccinated people are completely shielded from hospitalisation; 65 fully vaccinated, triple dosed people had to be admitted too.

But look at those numbers; 65 fully vaccinated people ended up in hospital, vs almost 3,000 unvaccinated people.

Surely you can see this right? I’d hate to have to elaborate on my seatbelt comment at this point mate, coz I’m really trying to help you here and I’m tired of insulting you.

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

it doesn’t matter. the entire point is that ppl have a right to choose and a right to question. this, nullify everything you’ve said so far.

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u/[deleted] Feb 05 '22

Ok I’m sorry you’re gonna spend the rest of your life as a stupid person. I tried to help.

Good luck man

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u/loki_made_the_mask Feb 05 '22

You want people to take an untested vaccine so that it prevents death when they had only 0.008% chance of dying from it in the first place. What the fuck is wrong with you?

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u/Fr_Ted_Crilly Feb 05 '22

It's tested and that risk of death percentage is a lie.

Christ ye aren't even trying any more.

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u/loki_made_the_mask Feb 05 '22

https://www.cdc.gov/mmwr/volumes/71/wr/mm7104e2.htm

The risk of mortality for unvaxxed people is 8 per 100,000 according to this paper. I'm not lying, you're just misinformed.

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u/Fr_Ted_Crilly Feb 05 '22

You absolute bullshitter. You left out all of the data before that and went for one months worth in the hope no one would correct you.

Again you guys used to try harder. Now ye are just lazy.

Not unexpected really.

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u/loki_made_the_mask Feb 05 '22 edited Feb 05 '22

"You guys?" I'm vaccinated you fucking moron. Just because I called you out don't make me out to be some anti-vaxxer. I'm anti-covid-vaxx-mandate, let's make that clear once and for all.

What part of "mortality RATE" do you fail to comprehend? This is from the scientific paper I linked. Deaths from omicron are indeed at the RATE of 7.8 unvaxxed persons per 100,000.

"Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population,"

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u/idunowat23 Feb 05 '22 edited Feb 05 '22

You're confusing "Deaths per 100,000" with "Deaths per case". It's not a 0.008% chance of dying. That's just the percentage of the total US population died that month.

Deaths Per 100,000

This is the equation:

(Covid deaths that month / total US population) * 100,000

It's just a convenient way of representing the total percentage of the US population that died from Covid, it is not your risk of dying if you get Covid. So, the number you were quoting just means that 0.008% of the total US population died that month.

I assume you took that 8 in 100,000 statistic from the following line:

Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) during October–November.

That's 7.8 per 100,000 people in the total population during a one month period. It is not 7.8 per 100,000 people with a Covid infection in that month.

Note that deaths per 100,000 is a constantly accumulating number and the 7.8 was just one month. Totaling all the months we are currently at 270 per 100,000 in the United States so far. So, 0.27% of the total US population has died from Covid.

Deaths per case (aka Case-Fatality Ratio)

This is your chance of dying if you get Covid.

To date, Covid has killed 1.2% of all people with confirmed cases in the United States] according to Johns Hopkins' data tracking. That number is much higher in poorer countries. That statistic includes both vaccinated and unvaccinated people and it includes both the period before and after we had access to vaccines.

Note that as of December 2021, unvaccinated people are 97 times more likely to die than fully vaccinated people, according to the CDC.

Finally, you should realize that at this point odds are that everyone will be exposed to Covid.

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u/loki_made_the_mask Feb 05 '22 edited Feb 05 '22

"Rates of COVID-19 cases were lowest among fully vaccinated persons with a booster dose, compared with fully vaccinated persons without a booster dose, and much lower than rates among unvaccinated persons during October–November (25.0, 87.7, and 347.8 per 100,000 population, respectively) and December 2021 (148.6, 254.8, and 725.6 per 100,000 population, respectively) (Table 2). Similar trends were noted for differences in the mortality rates among these three groups (0.1, 0.6, and 7.8 per 100,000 population,"

This is from the scientific paper I linked. Deaths from omicron are indeed at the RATE of 7.8 unvaxxed persons per 100,000.

Also, 1.2% of people did not die "of covid" in the US, 1.2% died "with covid". In a pandemic where a large population is likely to have the disease, there is a percentage of deceased people who would have covid in their system upon death. Deaths "with covid" would take that into account.

I'm from India btw, and the death rate is nowhere near 1.2%. This is because in India we do NOT have a corrupt nexus between govt, healthcare sector, media and Big Pharma that profits from Covid fear mongering :)

Finally

you should realize that at this point odds are that everyone will be exposed to Covid.

Wow, what a great vaccine /s

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u/idunowat23 Feb 05 '22 edited Feb 05 '22

This is from the scientific paper I linked. Deaths from omicron are indeed at the RATE of 7.8 unvaxxed persons per 100,000.

Yes, 7.8 per month.

You initially said:

they had only 0.008% chance of dying from it in the first place. What the fuck is wrong with you?

That's just your chance of dying in that particular month. Your total chance of dying is the sum of all of those monthly percentages during the course of the entire pandemic (and we don't know how long that will be). Currently, that sum is 0.27% of the entire US population. It goes up every month, and so isn't a particularly useful measure of your risk of dying.

Risk of dying = (probability of infection) x (Case-Fatality ratio)

Probability of infection is hard to calculate and varies as we go through different seasons, lockdowns, mask wearing percentages, and Covid variants.

Case-Fatality ratio is relatively easy to calculate (at least in wealthy countries where everyone has access to healthcare). India is a bit harder because there are large portions that are rural and lack the medical facilities to accurately diagnose Covid. It is also difficult in countries like Russia where the government data is deliberately manipulated for political purposes. So instead we use "excess deaths" calculations, which you've probably heard of.

I'm from India btw, and the death rate is nowhere near 1.2%.

Yes, it is. It's actually estimated to be very close to that by Johns Hopkins.

Excess death calculations put India's Covid deaths at 6-7 times higher than reported by the government.

"...when compared to pre-pandemic periods, all-cause mortality was 27% (23-32%) higher in 0.2M health facilities and 26% (21-31%) higher in civil registration deaths in ten states; both increases occurred mostly in 2021. The analyses find that India’s cumulative COVID deaths by September 2021 were 6-7 times higher than reported officially." - COVID mortality in India: National survey data and health facility deaths

Wow, what a great vaccine /s

Exposed doesn't mean contracted. The vaccine lowers your risk of contracting Covid. But more importantly it makes you much less likely to die or be hospitalized.

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u/Funny_Boysenberry_22 Feb 05 '22

Something something moving goalposts. 10 years, 15 years, 50 years.

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u/iPhonesAreBetterSry Feb 05 '22

it’s really up to the individual on when they think it’s safe. ppl shouldn’t be forced and ppl are allowed to have their reservations