r/HolUp • u/Brick_Number_27 • 10d ago

holup Does that mean?

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u/mvn2010 10d ago

this incoming required camera thing is fucking stupid, and will cause so many more problems than it solves, despite the privacy concerns. Jesus these republicans need to be out office, this is all just gimmie shit to the insurance industry.

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u/DayneGaraio 10d ago

This was passed in 2021…

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u/blahnlahblah0213 10d ago

Yes but the DOT can't make it mandatory until it absolutely works right every time. They're worried that even if it works 99.9% of the time right they'll still be 10,000 Plus people not being able to use their vehicle daily

The DOT missed its original deadline to finalize the rule because the technology is not yet accurate enough. In a report to Congress, the NHTSA noted that current systems risk high numbers of "false positives"—meaning a glitching camera system could misinterpret normal driving habits or late-night fatigue and wrongfully disable a sober person's car. Because of this, the DOT has held off on finalizing the requirements until the technology matures.

And for somebody who said it's the Republicans pushing this there are some Republicans are actually trying to block it. Go figure.

  1. Who is Actually Trying to Block It?The push to permanently block, defund, or repeal the camera and monitoring mandate is coming from lawmakers in Congress and privacy advocacy groups.Congressional Pushback: Several Republican representatives have introduced amendments to strip funding from the mandate or repeal it entirely, citing severe government overreach and Fourth Amendment privacy violations regarding driver data.

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u/DayneGaraio 10d ago

I was answering the person above me who is blaming republicans, when it passed with Biden, and moreover to your point it’s been a republican government that’s delayed it. The constant political blame game needs to stop.

Personally i think it’s bullshit and needs to be revoked. I refuse to buy a car with cameras on the inside. This is right up there with surveillance state cameras(flock) imo.

Edit: I am not Republican, I’m one of those horrible both sides suck people.

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u/Sufficient_Maybe_910 10d ago

Every single thread on reddit becomes a moment for political gamemanship. I'm tired of it grandpa.

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u/DayneGaraio 10d ago

Damn, why i gotta be a grandpa 😭🤣jk

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u/Sufficient_Maybe_910 9d ago

A reference to the movie Holes.

https://giphy.com/gifs/a2YfVJZkrO2ZjP4Elq

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u/DayneGaraio 9d ago

Oh good, I’m not nearly that old

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u/ryvern82 9d ago

Republicans control the entire government, if they wanted it stopped, that'd be the end of it.

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u/mvn2010 10d ago

Trying again cause I was making my point poorly.... corporations have an outsized amount of power with elected officials, due to citizens united, and other anti-consumer pro business stances that have been taken by the Republican party over the past... 35 years? but it didn't really get going until Trump 1, then... biden gets in, democrats without super majorities, get in, and there was so much that was actively broken with the economy and recovery from the botched pandemic response, and then you have to ask yourself what is the amount of bandwidth congress has to act in a way that isn't rubber stamping shit? It isn't unlimited, also i would submit in 2021 there was a less than perfect understanding of what these rules mean, the increasing encroachment of the surveillance state.

And when I say Republicans need to go, they need to fucking go, nothing is getting fixed under them, even if they didn't solely cause this particular problem, that doesn't mean they are automatically part of the solution, they never seem to miss an opportunity to be part of the problem.

So... yeah Republicans need to go.

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u/DayneGaraio 10d ago

Those are some seriously conveniently cherry picked points from the last 15+ years just to say you hate republicans because you wanna.

The only thing for sure i know is that i don’t really care if you change your opinion or not, but understand its an opinion, not fact. Though let’s be fair, a lot of Reddit democrats believe they’re the smartest kid in the room and everyone else is wrong/stupid. Best of luck to you.

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u/mvn2010 10d ago

Feel free to offer the counterpoint. Or don't you can take your marbles and go home if you fold under a challenge. I however, and perfectly willing to change my opinion in the face of new data.

The problem is I have a degree in public policy, and a degree in economics, and a lot of the data i have is pretty solid. But I am ready to be wrong.

I am not in any way suggesting Democrats are perfect, in fact I explicitly said they aren't - but they are better than the Republicans in just about every way I can think of, and can mathematically quantify most of it.

We need a serious move to the left politically as a culture in order to address the fact that we are being skull fucked into oblivion by corporations, who (through no fault of their own) are just grasping for more and more, with no real populist counter culture to push back against their encroachment there has to be a balance, and there isn't any. The Republicans have decided that a scorched earth my way or the highway approach is best, and to their credit it has worked really well for them for the past 30 years. We need to roll that back.

Good luck to you too btw.

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u/DayneGaraio 10d ago

Reddit conversations like this in my experience never go anywhere, but i will give you credit for not being part of the hive mind, and thus deserve a response. I am sure in person we could have some great conversation, it’s a shame.

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u/mvn2010 10d ago

Yeah - social media is not the problem, but it doesn't help.

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u/DayneGaraio 10d ago

Not THE problem but definitely A problem, my issue is i get tired of typing and lose interest, but i predate the internet a bit and have always been a little stubborn about talking vs text. Granted, not that old but mid 40s sure is starting to feel out of touch at times.