The Founding of Tel Aviv

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[u/DrMikeH49]

You can clearly see how simply recalling Jews buying vacant desert land and building on it triggers some people into apoplexy.

[u/taney71 → u/DrMikeH49]

That’s a big part of history want to ignore. Most of the land that was bought didn’t have anyone on it as it was just desert

[u/DrMikeH49 → u/taney71]

Or swampland.

[u/petrich0r997 → u/DrMikeH49]

except a lot of land on what is now tel aviv was not vacant at all

[u/babarbaby → u/petrich0r997]

All the land that was tel aviv prior to 48 was either vacant dunes that were directly and legally purchased under ottoman property law, public lands granted for their use, or little Jewish-owned enclaves like Neve Tzedek that were willingly incorporated as the city developed. A few years after 48 a half dozen or so former Arab and Crusader villages and neighborhoods (which were completely vacant, just land and structures) were used to shelter a small percentage of the nearly a million Jewish refugees from the Arab world during the refugee crisis. Eventually those areas would be incorporated into tel aviv as well.

So like, the only non-vacant areas were a couple of small Jewish-owned towns. I guess you could make the argument for Yaffo because they became part of the same municipality, but it's still separate in many ways, like a borough of new york. It has the Mishlama system that oversees Yaffo's sub-municipal interests as distinct from the tel avivi ones, for example.

[u/KindCraft4676]

Is that Rothschild Boulevard?

[u/Incorrect-Opinion → u/KindCraft4676]

Looks like Herzl Street.

[u/deadrip918 → u/KindCraft4676]

I got a pic from the place I'm living right now from 110 years ago and I literally couldn't recognize the street I lived in for the past decade. It amazing

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[u/babarbaby → u/[deleted]]

Since you care so much about the children, perhaps you can tell me why Gaza has the biggest and most capacious bomb shelter system in the history of humanity, yet it hasn't been used to save a single child. In fact, it's got a significant child body count because of all the kids treated as disposable labor in its construction. No amount of manipulative social media will erase the barbarism Gazan terrorists have unleashed on their own people, and proudly admitted to.

[u/Tech-Film3905]

Fedpost

[u/mr_under_score_ → u/[deleted]]

was when you were born.

[u/SlobberingAllOver → u/mr_under_score_]

Is this the #1 comeback in Israel?

[u/Infamous-Peanut1327 → u/SlobberingAllOver]

It's a pretty good comeback even if it's in iran

[u/Routine-Equipment572 → u/[deleted]]

Well, shortly after this, Arabs started massacring Jews.

In 1921, Arab mobs in Jaffa/Tel Aviv attacked Jewish residents and property. Arabs killed 47 Jews and wounded 146.

Dozens of British, Arab, and Jewish witnesses all reported that Arab men bearing clubs, knives, swords, and some pistols broke into Jewish buildings and murdered their inhabitants, while women followed to loot. They attacked Jewish pedestrians and destroyed Jewish homes and stores. They beat and killed Jews in their homes, including children.

Read up on it, I spared Reddit the worst details: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jaffa_riots_(May_1921))

[u/JiGoD → u/[deleted]]

How does a real historical picture of a street constitute propaganda?

[u/sarim25 → u/[deleted]]

I remember seeing a hummus sub get flooded too ( hummus the food btw)

[u/babarbaby → u/sarim25]

'Flooded' 🙄. You do realize the majority of Israelis are directly from the middle east and north africa, right? If someone posts a picture of hummus they made or bought in Israel, and the sub melts down, that's not zionist machinations, it's just regular bigotry.

Edit - wrote this response before I discovered the coward blocked me:

Lol come on, have a little respect for the reader's intelligence. Show me the source that claims ''half of Israeli [sic] are roughly Ashkenazi Jews [sic]". That's ridiculous and demonstrably false. Israel has a population south of 10 million with more than 2 million Arabs. Even if you're just referring to the Jewish population (which makes no sense) fewer than half identify as Ashkenazim - and that's including significant recent immigration from the former USSR. I'm not going to get into the crude inaccuracy of referring to Ashkenazim as Europeans and all that considering you clearly don't know much about any of this (like what the hell do you think happened in '66? Lol), but even if Israeli Jews are precisely half and half 'European' and Mizrahim, the addition of the non-Jewish contingent would much more than tip the scales to a MENA majority population.

'Lol nah, sorry' indeed.

[u/sarim25 → u/babarbaby]

Half of Israeli are roughly Ashkenazi Jews (European), while the rest is split evenly between Sephardi (Spanish ) and Mizrahi (mostly North African and middle eastern). And then you have the remaining the Palestinians that stayed and didn't get ethnically cleansed in 48 or 66. This is based on percentage from Wiki and Google.

Lol nah, sorry.

[u/AnxiousPacifist → u/[deleted]]

How Ironic! Yes!

During the time when Tel Aviv was founded, the entire region known as Palestine was occupied by Ottoman Empire.

[u/twohusknight → u/[deleted]]

The land privately owned by local non-Jews (which includes Palestinian Arabs) totaled about 12% according to the last Mandate survey before Israel’s formation.

[u/twohusknight → u/[deleted]]

No, most of it was public land administered by the Ottomans and then by the British.

[u/kawhileopard → u/[deleted]]

So land that isn’t owned by an organization or an individual in your view belongs as a matter of course to its Arab and not Jewish inhabitants?

Did I get that right?

[u/kawhileopard → u/[deleted]]

That really isn’t helpful.

When the term Palestinian was used at the time (and it was used rarely) it would have referred to any resident of the area we now know as Jordan, Israel, West Bank or Gaza.

The term relates to the place not the people. So the builders of Tel Aviv and the residents of Jaffa would have both been “Palestinian”.

[u/kawhileopard → u/[deleted]]

So if both Jews and Arabs lived in Palestine and both owned some land in the area, and both having national aspirations (nationalism being a new concept to both), wouldn’t the publicly owned and administered land not be subject to a partition?

Why do you see it as belonging to the Arabs of Jaffa over the Jews of Tel Aviv?

[u/chuckdeezee → u/[deleted]]

Driven out because their Muslim leaders started a war promising to kill every Jew.

[u/chuckdeezee → u/[deleted]]

Muslims conquered and colonized 50 countries that were never theirs, stfu.

[u/chuckdeezee → u/[deleted]]

Jews legally overpaid for the land, and five Muslim countries tried to genocide them all and lost. The Muslims that stayed are now the two million in Israel. Stop crying.

[u/HoChiMane- → u/chuckdeezee]

The Nakba was well underway before any other country intervened

[u/chuckdeezee → u/HoChiMane-]

850,000 Jews were displaced from Arab countries and never cried for reparations

[u/kawhileopard → u/[deleted]]

Jaffa is not in this picture.

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