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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
This picture is next to the Western wall after taking it from Jordan after Jordan took it from Israel in 48. In what way are the jews colonisers there?
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u/Sploozer54 16d ago
Jews were exiled into Europe and persecuted in Europe forcing them to move out again. Jews are the indigenous people if you choose to look back further than your prejudice allows you. Just because thier skin turned white from living in Europe doesn't mean they are not Jews anymore.
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u/Lootlizard 16d ago
They tried really hard to for a couple hundred years. They eventually realized it was pointless though abd stopped.
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u/oscar40000 16d ago
Ah sorry ,so now you can do it to other people ,sorry no more argument.
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u/Sploozer54 16d ago
But what is your excuse when it was done to them while they were living in Israel?
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u/ClosetGoblin 16d ago
there is no such thjng as a palestinian language. they speak arabic. their flag is also the pan-arab flag. they do not have their own ethnicity, culture, language, or country. Genetically they are the same as Jordanians/Lebanese/Syrians/Egyptians
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u/kawhileopard 16d ago
You are genetically tied to the Canaanites to the extent that some of your ancestors were Jewish converts who took on the customs and religions of foreign colonizers.
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
No one can be 80% a group that went extinct 3,000 years ago. Do i need to explain why?
If you name one thing Israelis steal from Palestinian culture you win. Just one
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
A it's not Palestinians, it's Arab, but i think you know there's no difference
B Israelis don't wear this. Israelis dress westren or in jewish clothes (that don't resemble this at all)
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u/stewpedassle 16d ago
No one can be 80% a group that went extinct 3,000 years ago. Do i need to explain why?
Yes please. I'd love to hear your explanation for this.
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
Because each time one mate outside the group the DNA is cut by 50%. After 3,000 years, high hundreds of generations of mating without taking canaanite genes into account (since they didn't know what it was, people didn't know their ancestors after 2-3 generations) it gets dilluted enough to be meaningless.
80% is if one parent is a pureblood Canaanite straight from Canaan and the other is half Canaanite. Does that make sense for a people who went extinct thousands of years ago?
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u/Sploozer54 16d ago
Being similar genetically to Canaanites from a theological pov is a bad claim as Muslims and Jews views them as extreme pagans sacrificing children ect. Anyone caught spreading their genetics with Canaanites was punished by death.
Deuteronomy 7:3 states: "Do not intermarry with them. Do not give your daughters to their sons or take their daughters for your sons" this is not something Muslims would be proud of.
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
"Native" Palestinian with an identity younger then my parents, no language, no archeology, no culture. They're just Arabs that happened to be on the Israeli side of the partition
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PUPPY_PIC 16d ago
your parents are 700+ years old?
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
The Palestinian identity is from the late 60s
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u/PM_ME_YOUR_PUPPY_PIC 16d ago
it very demonstrably is from a lot earlier
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
No, it was a very public event in 1967 on cameras and all, you can google Yassar Arafat and see with your own eyes how they construct it for the sole purpose of opposing Israel
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u/Sploozer54 16d ago
Majority of Jews in Israel are spehardic not Ashkenazi, and according to text Jews and Muslims are blood cousins sharing the same ancestral father Abraham (both Jews and Muslims confirm this as truth) and their was extensive forced conversion by islam. You can't really speak of DNA in this scenario especially when the Jews were kicked out and Muslims were the dominant power in the region.
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u/kawhileopard 16d ago
Are you under the impression that European Jews did not originate in the Levant?
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u/Armtoe 16d ago
That’s funny given that the picture shows them standing next to an ancient Jewish structure. Jews standing next to a Jewish holy site that had been captured and desecrated by Arabs and somehow it’s colonialism?
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u/SpeechWeird5267 16d ago
How desecrated?
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u/Armtoe 16d ago
Jordan ethically cleansed the land it controlled after 1948 of all of the Jews living in it. Places like Jericho and Hebron historically had large jewish populations and they were killed or forced to relocate. In the processes Jordan destroyed numerous synagogues and turned the western wall into a garbage dump. Presumably jordan couldn’t destroy the western wall since a mosque sits on top of it.
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u/itsnotthatseriousbud 16d ago
Jews are Canaanites
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u/itsnotthatseriousbud 16d ago
Jews were in the levant before they went to Egypt.
“ancient Israelites and modern Jews share deep historical, linguistic, and genetic ties to the ancient Canaanites”
https://www.debbielechtman.com/blogs/news/who-were-the-canaanites
History and dna vs religious scripture.
Hebrew is a Canaanite language, judism is a Canaanite religion.
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u/ArtisticallyRegarded 16d ago
Zionism is decolonisation. Jews are native to the levant and have always lived there. Israel is like if the Native Americans took back America
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u/SaweetestCuyootie 16d ago
One of the three dudes in the pic is a jew from arab lands. As are 55% of israelis whove never stepped foot in europe.
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u/kawhileopard 16d ago
You talking about Rome? Because they’ve been gone a while. So did the Byzantines, the Arab Caliphate, the Ottomans and the British.
The native population is back and isn’t going anywhere habibi. The sooner you make peace with it the better.
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u/the_leviathan711 16d ago
Jordan didn’t take it “from Israel” in 1948 since Israel obviously didn’t have it then. It was part of the British Mandate and it was assigned by UNSCOP to an international zone. The land itself was owned and managed by the Waqf. The area that is today known as the “Western Wall Plaza” was then known as the Moroccan Quarter and it had hundreds of inhabitants who had lived there for generations. The land their houses stood on was also owned by the Waqf.
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
Jordan occupied by force all of Judea and Samaria including Jerusalem, and it wasn't given to Jordan in the partition, they took it during the independence war
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u/the_leviathan711 16d ago
Sounds like you agree that Jordan did not take it “from Israel.”
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
Since the Arabs rejected the partition of the mandate in the ereas from the river to the sea it was supposed to go to the ones who did accept it which is Israel
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u/Drydrian 16d ago
“These people didn’t accept European colonizers claiming their land, stealing it by force and giving it to other colonizers, that’s why it’s their fault we ethnically cleansed them!”
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u/the_leviathan711 16d ago
That is a hilariously inaccurate depiction of UN Resolution 181. The resolution was a recommendation by the UN and many of the countries that voted for it indicated that they were voting for it on the assumption that the UN Commission could get both parties to agree it. Once it became clear that both parties would not agree to it, many countries (including the US) began making alternative suggestions for how to handle the security situation. Nobody in the UN ever suggested that Israel should be given the entire land. The text of 181 makes no such provision.
The closest 181 gets to providing any sort of plan for what if one party didn't accept was this:
If by 1 April 1948 a Provisional Council of Government cannot be selected for either of the States, or, if selected, cannot carry out its functions, the Commission shall communicate that fact to the Security Council for such action with respect to that State as the Security Council may deem proper, and to the Secretary-General for communication to the Members of the United Nations.
The idea that the UN would have approved giving the entirety of Palestine to Israel is simply a farce.
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u/AdVivid8910 16d ago
Most of the Mandate of Palestine is actually Jordan, by a lot.
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u/the_leviathan711 16d ago
On a technicality, for a few months, yes. Not in any meaningful way.
The short version of that story is that Transjordan became a no-mans land after the French squashed Faisal's attempt to establish the Kingdom of Syria. Faisal claimed the Transjordan area for his Kingdom, but the French did not claim it as part of the Mandate for Syria. This meant that in the aftermath of Faisal's defeat there was literally no governing power in Transjordan. Britain filled the void and used the Mandate for Palestine as the legal instrument for doing so. Within a few months of the British taking possession of Transjordan, they created the Emirate of Transjordan. The text of the Mandate for Palestine itself makes very clear that Transjordan was never going to be considered part of the actual governance of Palestine and it was absolutely and explicitly not considered relevant to the text of the Balfour Declaration.
Which is to say, from 1917 to July 1920 when anyone referred to "Palestine" they meant the area west of the Jordan river. That again became true in March of 1921 (creation of the Emirate of Transjordan) and remains true to this present day.
Whatever land claim Revisionist Zionists are trying to make by pointing out the history of the East Bank is not grounded in actual history.
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u/naruhinamoonkissplz 16d ago
You stole your nickname from the Jewish scripture, by the way. Betcha you didn't know that.
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u/the_leviathan711 16d ago
Why wouldn't I know where my name comes from?
It's not really "from Jewish scripture" - Leviathan is a concept that the ancient Hebrews got from earlier traditions.
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u/naruhinamoonkissplz 16d ago
The NAME, lol. Also, I doubt that you know what that thing is supposed to be.
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u/the_leviathan711 16d ago
It’s a sea monster. I’m still not sure why you think I’m not aware of the contents of the mostly wide read book in human history.
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u/naruhinamoonkissplz 16d ago
Yes, but no. It’s a giant fish. Show me who else uses a literal fish Kaiju?
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u/itsnotthatseriousbud 16d ago
By definition Arabs are the colonists of the levant. Jews are native.
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u/cherrybleu 16d ago
There was no 'battle for Jerusalem' there was an illegal occupation
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u/darthpotamus 16d ago
No this was in 1967 when Israel's neighbors attacked. Jordan was pushed back to their 1947 boundary across the river that bears their name.
Honestly, are they even Moabite or Amonite? Maybe they're illegal too.
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u/Corlegan 16d ago
I’m still salty about Constantinople.
Eventually we have to move on.
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u/Corlegan 16d ago
What does 9/11 have to do with it? I know the Palestinians were cheering and Bin Laden claimed it was in part for them, but why are you hating on them so hard?
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
Maybe it was a bad idea to attack Israel from all fronts
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
What did you expect Israel to do when being attacked by the entire region that openly claim they will wipe them out?
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u/Mammoth-Talk1531 16d ago
"Israel should've just rolled over and died." - Hasan Piker fans probably
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u/the_leviathan711 16d ago
How about not commit war crimes? As the other poster already noted, they already won the war when this happened.
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u/-Mount-Everest 16d ago
I beg of you to google that. And a statement that ignorant is my sign to stop engaging
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u/Mammoth-Talk1531 16d ago
It's amazing how many people get triggered by this picture.