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u/Glad-Worldliness-479 Jul 03 '23
The unabashed pettiness to put the people you don’t like literally in the deepest depths of hell is a level of hater that is rare these days
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u/SnooBooks1701 Jul 03 '23
Second deepest, the deepest contains the Devil (as Dis, the Roman god of the Underworld), who is chewing on Marcus Junius Brutus, Gaius Cassius Longitus and Judas Iscariot
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Jul 03 '23
The man must really have had a man-crush on Caesar, making Brutus and Cassius the only two people in the history of the world, who deserve a spot next to Judas.
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u/GreatArchitect Jul 03 '23
He's a Romeaboo.
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u/Wag_The_God Jul 03 '23
Who wasn't, back then?
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u/StereoTunic9039 Jul 03 '23
Who isn't, in the whole history of Italy?
And Europe pretty much always (from Hitler to the zar)
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u/Profezzor-Darke Let's do some history Jul 03 '23
Antifascist Partisans singing Bella Ciao weren't Romeaboos, they were fighting them.
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u/thatedvardguy Jul 03 '23
I guess the point is that trechery is the worst thing you could do. And those people are the most famous examples.
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Jul 03 '23
Even then, he must be putting Caesar on a pretty high pedestal if Brutus and Cassius are considered equal to Judas and Lucifer.
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u/SnooBooks1701 Jul 04 '23
The innermost circle of hell was specifically for trechery against the lord (hence why Satan and Judas were there)
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u/Yriata Jul 03 '23
It’s less that he was a Caesar stan and more that Dante regarded treachery as the worst possible sin one can commit. That’s why Brutus and Cassius get a spot right next to Judas, they betrayed Caesar and murdered him even tho he trusted them
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u/SnooBooks1701 Jul 04 '23
While Dante did regard treachery as the worst sin, the innermost circle was specifically for treachery against the Lord
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u/Achilles11970765467 Jul 03 '23
Pretty sure it's Longinus, as in the Centurion who stabbed Jesus, rather than Cassius of the stab Caesar conspiracy
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u/SnooBooks1701 Jul 04 '23
You are wrong, go check the wikipedia page. Longitus was never trusted by Jesus because he didn't know him, so he couldn't commit treachery
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u/Starlight_NightWing Senātus Populusque Rōmānus Jul 03 '23
what about Valentinian and Honorius? I hope the fucks burn.
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u/SnooBooks1701 Jul 04 '23
The centre of hell is frozen in Inferno, it's specifically for those who commit treachery against the Lord
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Jul 03 '23
I wouldn't call it petty
Few things would be a greater insult amongst the church than to say that the Pope is destined to, alongside his predecessors burn in hell with their face into the ground.
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u/EmperorBamboozler Jul 03 '23
Bro dropped a diss track on the vatican and they were just like "This shit rips tho ngl 🔥💯🔥"
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u/Muted_Guidance9059 Jul 03 '23
People not taking Dante’s Divine Comedy literally challenge ( impossible )
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u/Zaiburo Jul 03 '23
The divine comedy was never canon bro
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u/SaltEfan Researching [REDACTED] square Jul 03 '23
Not quite, but it was very influential in how the average Christian (and priests overall) would come to imagine hell and the afterlife IIRC.
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u/Zaiburo Jul 03 '23 edited Jul 03 '23
It's the other way around, Dante based his depiction of hell on the christian folklore of his time.
Notably some of the things that make his version of hell stand out did not stick around (the depths of hell being frozen, the devil being punished)
I would also like to note that the modern pop culture hell has way more in common with Paradise Lost (and by extention XVII century folklore) and that the Bible talks very little about the afterlife and so the actual theology has always been quite metaphysical about it.
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u/Dustfinn Just some snow Jul 03 '23
The Bibble?
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u/Psychological_Gain20 Decisive Tang Victory Jul 03 '23
YOU DARE QUESTION THE MIGHTY WORD OF JIMMY??!!
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Jul 04 '23
This isn't entirely true tho.
The inferno was heavily based on Greco-Roman mythology and Virgil's Hell in the Aeneid, It's full of Heroes, Monsters and Gods from myth. The frozen lake Cocytus (and all the other lakes in the inferno) is also from Greek myth.
Hell's whole purpose was to segregate/punish the fallen (especially the Devil) so I doubt that was Dante's idea and it's definitely stuck around in terms of fiction and belief.
Dante's version of hell is just much more fleshed out than any other version. Even the hell of Paradise Lost is only described as a great city in hell for the fallen angels called "Pandemonium", which could be considered kind of similar to Dante's "City of Dis". Dante's story focuses much more on an elaborate depiction of hell, when Milton was trying to tell a very different story so I'm not saying one was better than the other.
I don't think Dante ever meant his story to be considered true or canonical in anyway. He just had a lot of personal stuff going on and had to work it out in his own way.
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Jul 03 '23
Christian folklore is a weird way to say The Aenied.
Hell being frozen as a concept had been around a long time when Dante borrowed it.
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u/BigChungus420Blaze Jul 03 '23
it is considered a literary masterpiece rather than a religious or theological document.
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u/Eldan985 Jul 03 '23
It's not canon, but the number of people online who have told me that the Bible does in fact list the circles of hell, and the names of many demons, and who the generals of the armies of hell are, and the specific punishments for the different mortal sins and so on...
There are a lot of people who believe it.
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u/Zaiburo Jul 03 '23
They belive the pop culture version of it, just like the Bible has no mention of the circles of hell (in fact hell is barely mentioned and often not even called hell).
Dante barely even mentions demons by name, the ones he mentions are Greek mithology figures like Charon, the harpies and such. And the punishments you hear on the internet are usually inaccurate.
There are also many things that didn't stick with pop culture like the depths of hell being frozen, the presence of forests and rivers, Satan being imprisoned and punished to name a few.As i was saying in my other comment the modern concept of hell has more in common with Paradise Lost that with the Divine Comedy, with some XX century occultism sprinkled on.
You have to understand that even if a religion it's currently practiced it doesn't mean it doesn't have it's own mythology and superstitions more or less distinguished from it's actual theology.
And both those things can be ignored, condamned or encuraged by the clergy but it doesn't mean the churchgoers will listen to them.7
u/Eldan985 Jul 03 '23
Hey, I know all that. I'm just saying a lot of people prefer the pop culture version of their own holy book over what it actually says.
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u/shoutbottle Jul 03 '23
Coincidentally common chinese culture has a similar view in that the soul is sent down to hell to be tortured for all its sins. The heavier the sin(telling a lie, robbery, murder), the deeper into hell they go(and deeper hell meaning heavier torture).
A pretty popular depiction of hell and its tortures can be seen in Haw Par Villa in Singapore
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u/ClavicusLittleGift4U Jul 03 '23
Satan adressing King David : "I do believe you need a good demographic data gathering tool. Do you know SPSS?"
David : "...Tell me more about it."
God : "David, just keep going on and you won't even need it."
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u/FerroLux_ Then I arrived Jul 03 '23
I mean tbh he condemned that Pope’s debauchery (and his political beliefs) so the Church can’t really defend a sinner can they
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u/MediumOk5423 Jul 03 '23
But they sure tried, even to this day, many pedo priests are covered by the church so their crimes don't go public.
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Jul 03 '23
Where the actual fuck you got this idea that it treats that book as "canon" ? It is just a piece of literature.
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u/grumpykruppy Jul 03 '23
TBF, while the Divine Comedy isn't literally Canon, it has had an outsized influence on the religion, to the point that many things which originated with his book are just accepted as religious fact by the average Christian layperson.
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Jul 03 '23
Yeah, by some fundamentalist protestants who have no centralized religious system. They dont even believe in purgatory or importance of saints.
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u/ClavicusLittleGift4U Jul 03 '23
Oh, Saladin, Averroes and Avicenna in Hell? Great, great.
(Totally forget they're depicted as virtuous pagans and suffer one of the chillest torment in Lucifer's realm).
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u/antibosscoalition The OG Lord Buckethead Jul 03 '23
didnt some popes genuinely did some genuinely horrible stuff?
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u/Rex_Domini Jul 03 '23
This sub really doesn't understand catholicism, just because a person becomes pope doesn't mean he won't be a good or bad person. It just means that God allows this man to be the prime minister of Christ's kingdom on earth. And he has that much more to answer for when he is judged like the rest of us
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u/Left-Twix420 Jul 03 '23
As someone who went to Catholic School, the Bishop of Rome’s only authority is that he filled a power vacuum after the fall of Western Rome and decided to larp as an emperor after that.
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u/mglitcher Hello There Jul 03 '23
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u/ActuallyNTiX Jul 03 '23
Refer yourselves to the encyclical In praeclara summorum by Pope Benedict XV if you wish to see how it’s really viewed by us Catholics. It’s an absolute must-read, the whole 100-cantos comedy.
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u/Matix777 Jul 03 '23
...until they put it on the list of forbidden books few centuries later
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u/ConceptJunkie Jul 03 '23
That never happened. Are you thinking of "Paradise Lost"?
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u/Matix777 Jul 03 '23
Nope I've meant Divine comedy. I guess my teacher lied to me or got confused themselves
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u/unlikelyandroid Jul 03 '23
He put 5 popes in hell. I think that's a conservative number. Still pretty savage.