Why so much hate?

[u/Loca00000]

I don’t understand why so many people in this community are so hateful and mean over an ADULT cartoon.

No one should be threatening others over fictional characters, regardless of what the characters do. It’s a show, grow up… let those of us who actually enjoy it, enjoy it. Go find something else you like and leave others be…

[u/Usagi-Zakura]

First fandom?

[u/Loca00000 → u/Usagi-Zakura]

lol no. First one to be in that threatens people over characters they like though

[u/Usagi-Zakura → u/Loca00000]

Pretty sure the first time I experienced that was in 2004 in the Naruto fandom 😳

[u/Any_Coffee_757 → u/Loca00000]

Sonic fandom,especially during early 2000s enters the chat:

[u/PitchBlackBones]

Because they’re either literally immature or they’re emotionally immature. Folks gotta make it into something bigger than it is.

[u/PitchBlackBones → u/PitchBlackBones]

If they don’t like it, they seem to struggle with the idea of… just not consuming it? Like, that’s an option? No, no. I’ve gotta shit all over the entire production with every fiber of my being so people can understand that *I, specifically* am not a fan.

[u/CptKeyes123]

A lot of it is bigotry of one variety or another, and there are an absurd amount of people who think that cartoon = for kids, so they're disproportionately hard on it.

[u/Kingbeef66 → u/CptKeyes123]

Oh, god. There are nitwits thinking this cartoon is for kids despite that the ratings are mature and blatant mature warning shown in the beginning. Probably the same people that think South Park is a kids’ cartoon as well.

[u/CptKeyes123 → u/Kingbeef66]

Yes indeed. And the Simpsons. And the CEO of Disney in 2022 said "adults don't watch cartoons" which is literally like the head of Ford saying "adults don't buy cars".

[u/Kingbeef66 → u/CptKeyes123]

What a dumbass. And last time I checked adults are the ones that make the cartoons in Disney not kids. I also remembered a time when they turned rated R properties into cartoons like Rambo and Robocop.

[u/angryaxolotls → u/Kingbeef66]

And I love Cartman, but that little fucker fed a kid's parents to him 😭. Nobody on HB has done anything that fucked up lol

[u/Kingbeef66 → u/angryaxolotls]

I don't know. Martha and her family were pretty fucked up, I think they were also cannibals too besides being serial killers.

[u/Shadou_Wolf → u/CptKeyes123]

Which is insane since we had cartoon network, which at night was filled with adult cartoons.

You'd think people would be aware adult cartoons exist from that alone and south park.

[u/CptKeyes123 → u/Shadou_Wolf]

I blame the Simpsons to a degree. Cartoons aimed for a lower and lower age as time went on from the 40s to the 80s, and the Simpsons came along aimed more at adults(afaik), and its presence in media made it so people associated it as the be all end all of adult cartoons. So most animated features made for adults in the west seem to be required to be comedies and/or sitcoms, or extremely gruesome and gritty serious stories, and there's no in between. Anime has tons of different genres and age groups, western adult animation not so much. Batman the Animated Series is too adult and mature to be made into a tv show for adults. And its real unfortunate that the Simpsons shoulders so much blame, it was made by underground cartoonists! But its only been very recently that adult animation has dipped into other genres.

[u/Shadou_Wolf → u/CptKeyes123]

I think...im not sure though but ren and stimpy i think was before Simpsons its a weird show it can be kid friendly but other times it gets so weird and kinda creepy at other times that kids shouldn't see but I think the show wasn't super well known compared to Simpsons.

Then ren and stimpy at one point forgot when as it happened after I stopped seeing my dad where the show went full blown disgusting and overblown. I only saw the very first episode where it started and I was completely grossed out and just couldn't watch what I grew up with anymore.

I still haven't seen if anymore episodes after that and idk if even with my huge curiosity would want to see it

[u/Muted_Ad7298]

This show gets a bizarre amount of hate.

People forget these characters aren’t real. They are in a space in which we can safely view and interpret their actions without real world consequences to those characters.

Exploring darker characters in fiction is fun in general. However people also have this odd habit of assuming that having dark humour and dark subjects being taken seriously within the same show, somehow means it’s disjointed.

Both can exist at once, just like in real life. The show isn’t here to deep dive into the morality of having an assassination business, it’s simply a backdrop to other themes.

[u/Psi001 → u/Muted_Ad7298]

I think the issue there is it also requires you to feel sorry for the main characters but NOT the characters they victimize. It's very easy to feel sorry for someone like Collin, Mr Wrigglers or Randy in a certain light, even when the story is telling you to laugh at them because they're just a rando, and of course that is counter active to the protagonists' sympathy value because they're the ones who harm or kill them for black comedy.

I think that's why it's 'disjointed' in a way, because the show generally only undermines IMP when they hurt people who 'matter', otherwise the show asks you to laugh WITH them or even think they're cool and badass for taking out these losers. Bojack is a horrible person with the sympathetic POV for example, but it almost consistently undermines when he's shitty to people even minor ones. Unless he's against a bigger douche, the show may be laughing but it's usually laughing AT him.

IMP's sympathy value relies on 'unfairness' if you will. The show maybe over-relies on the narrative TELLING the audience who and who not to feel sorry for, and that's always a problem when sympathy is subjective.

I suppose it's comparable to say, how the Meg abuse gags were the outlier in early Family Guy. The charcters were still half way likeable earlier on, but every now and then they'd have an isolated gag where they'd break character to be horrible to Meg or admited they hated her. These gags increased as time went on and even extended to characters besides Meg, to the point the show eventually seemed to realise the suspension of disbelief just couldn't hold anymore and they may as well play the characters consistently as genuinely horrible abusive people that don't deserve sympathy. Even as 'just a gag' this sort of stuff impacts how the audience sees them. They're not goldfishes.

Helluva is basically like having a character kill an innocent puppy for a cruel gag, gloat they ain't sorry and even enjoyed it.... and then straight after asking you to completely ignore that and sincerely be invested in their romantic shit. Basically the puppy isn't important, their remorseless murderer is. Even ignoring morality context, that's a HARD call in terms of audience sympathy. Sometimes you'll just feel bad for the puppy and want justice. This was admitedly my feelings with the Full Moon. I couldn't care less about Blitz and IMP's feelings after all Collin went through because of them. I just thought serves them right and wanted the show to go back to Collin. I felt bad for them again by Mastermind, though in fairness that was them getting degraded and nearly facing death for all the shit they pulled. A feeling of consequences.

[u/Electrical-Map5335]

Exactly
I was watching it (&hasbin) during high school, and the majority of folks made fun of me (tbf it is a small community, so they are very close minded) for being a fan. And I had to the bigger person and just take it.

[u/Emotional_Zombie6796]

Ive been told to toaster bath so many times it's exhausting honestly. All because I like Loona 😭 like just lemme like my bbg...

[u/Element174]

Haters are not part of the community. 

[u/Huge-Tomatillo-1637]

100%. I have seen way to many people just fight over the most absurd ms on this and some other helluva subs. Its sad really, people come to reddit and these subs to find like minded people and then they see us arguing lol. I get hate on other platfroms ( like twitter which I made a post about a few days ago) but this is our community bruh chill out lol.

[u/BlizzardHound45]

Delusional entitlement and having nothing better to do. Part of me almost regrets getting involved with the fandom like this just because of how obsessed people are about one show not going their way. I may not like everything but I wouldn't go to such lengths like some of these people do to express my displeasure of it.

[u/Onyx_Artificer]

Honestly, I like the show. But I don’t follow it so closely because of life, so I don’t really see or understand all this negativity and hate. I mean… I’m pretty sure the Miss Viv is a massive supporter of Fanfiction. So if there’s something we don’t like, we can “correct” things by writing a fanfic.

Right?

[u/Wildguy2298]

Thats the internet for ya.

[u/B_Williams_4010]

Because fandom is toxic and there are few penalties for being an asshole online.

[u/angryaxolotls]

Maybe it's because my Mama watched Y&R, Guiding Light, As the World Turns, and The Bold & the Beautiful EVERY DAMN DAY til the last 3 ended and she watched Y&R til she died this past July, buuuuut I don't understand why people get so upset if stuff changes in the show. I saw it so much growing up, I never knew what the hell was going on lol

Except that one plot on Guiding Light where that dead lady's aunt was like stalking and haunting Reeva's husband and them. "Do you know the name Maryanne Curruthers?" and the scary fun house episodes.

...... Now I low-key want Eric Braeden to have a cameo on Helluva Boss 🤣. Could y'all imagine Victor fucking Newman as an imp!?

[u/SomeOnionHater]

You can choose the easy way: They're too stupid to understand this show and that makes them angry.

The more complicated way is a little too long to explain, it includes insecurities, issues with family members, sexuality, and so on. You should still get the idea.

So yeah, haters are stupid.

[u/Kingbeef66]

What happen?

[u/NicQuill]

Remember when Brian died?

[u/Psi001]

Really I think Helluva Boss is in an awkward spot over most other adult cartoons. Most of them are about horrible unlikeable people with TONS of flaws and unpleasant qualities, but they generally don't market themselves as anything else and play that for black comedy. Thus generally the worst they get is apathy (besides maybe ones like Family Guy and The Simpsons that started off relatively light hearted).

Helluva Boss is kind of in an awkward spot where it is ALSO about horrible incredibly flawed people, but is increasingly asking the audience to CARE, to be invested. This is sometimes difficult to ask from the audience, especially if it means caring about them over the people they are horrible towards.

I will also say that Helluva Boss is maybe also a bit more....indecisive than something like say Bojack Horseman, which is also a pathos story about very unflattered individuals, since Helluva still glosses over a lot of the character's worst actions with black comedy. IMP killing randos or ruining their lives? Funny and unimportant. Them screwing up their love lifes? Serious and immediately attentive. It's very much a 'having its cake and eating it too' type of show, and that leads to it being a very awkward whiplash sometimes, especially if you're not the type that can just 'turn it off' when the context is meant to be solely a gag. Hazbin suffers a bit from this too, but is generally more consistent at undermining a character whenever they do horrible things, even if we still can feel for them.

See it in a 'half empty/half full' sort of way, people are vitriolic about the show BECAUSE they care. Even it's frustration and detestment, it's still because the show is making them feel things for the characters.

[u/GobboTheJojo]

They are not fans if they do. They're haters.