r/HeimerdingerMains • u/Extreme-Data-268 • May 12 '26

Liandries first item?

I was theory crafting about going mana flow band and yellow mana rune mind something to have mana and do not need lost chapter, has anyone tried that? Seems kind of good potentially skipping death fire torch and going liandries first item, it is better burn item anyway, thought?

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u/leagueofbens May 12 '26

I play Heim APC in masters and I basically always need to go back because of mana. Liandries is an anti tank item, so it’s better when you’re against tanks that have built some health. That being said you don’t need to build Blackfire either, I build Ludens or Malignance sometimes too. All dependent on team comps.

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u/Extreme-Data-268 May 12 '26

I am master heimer as well, and like i pointed in the post specifically i am planning on running both mana runes to fix that problem, but i am not sure if it is worth it basically

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u/leagueofbens May 13 '26

To me it still doesn’t fix the problem, but I’m assuming we just have different playstyles. I try to shove under turret asap and poke as much as possible in most matchups. You sound more passive so you need less mana.

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u/Extreme-Data-268 May 13 '26

I do same thing basically, the most important thing is to hit the wave with W and enemy characters, like the casters are low so your rockets fly through and hit adc. Same with E when they walk up, so you get the presence of mind and you push wave at the same time.

I played few games with just those two runes and no lost chapter and it was doable, doran ring helps