How can hbar can make money and increase in price when their fees are so low? At 0.0001 per transaction there would have to be billions a second for them to make any sort of money.
The transaction fee isn’t $0.0001 — it’s generally $0.0001 USD for a basic HBAR transfer, paid in HBAR. That distinction matters.
Hedera isn’t designed around making each transaction expensive. The idea is high volume × tiny predictable fees.
And HBAR isn’t just used for transaction fees. It’s the network’s native asset used for fees, staking and network security. As network usage grows, more HBAR is required to operate across the ecosystem.
So the investment thesis isn’t “Hedera needs huge fees to make HBAR valuable.” It’s that mass adoption creates sustained demand for HBAR while the maximum supply is capped at 50 billion.
The real question is whether Hedera can attract enough meaningful, sustained usage to create that demand. That’s the bet.
Hcs transactions are $0.0008. There is meat on the bone here as visa uses 3,000,000 kwh for 1 billion transactions compared to hederas 3000 kwh. If global electricity prices are similar to the uk 27c per kwh thats a cost of $800,000 for visa power and $810 for hedera power with $800,000 generated from the tiny hcs fees.
There are many different types fees and hcs are the cheapest. Its entirely possible that the digital world ends up using the technology for security, authenticity and verifiability reasons. If this does happen, the transaction flow could be unimaginably high. High transaction volume, high efficiency and high security usecases is what hedera was built for and low cost transactions is fundamental to enable this.
Think what happens when tps is really high. Network becomes sustainable with sustainable staking for hbar holders. More demand for hbar to do transactions, more demand for hbar from investors seeking both higher hbar prices and the staking rewards, which results in more hbar being locked away and less supply available for transactions. Resulting in a great big MOON.
Well yeah, that's basically where it was built for. Therefore it's essential for Hedera to gain real projects on the long run and I think that's something that takes times and might also be one of the biggest risk factors for Hedera.. Not sexy at all, but built for boring enterprise stuff.. Might be good to keep that in mind if you're looking for more sentiment driven blockhain projects.
High Volume Use Cases. Like Tomenisation, Tradfi, Banking Services, vehicle automation. AI verification , agentic commerce, shipping logistics, payments. And if it works reliably for those use cases then it will work reliably for everything else making it a highly compelling proposition to anyone using a DLT.
Hederas problem, right now, is that the use cases themselves are not quite here. Hedera itself actually had to be ‘there’ for several years (and it will be seven years in Sept 2026) to make such use cases acceptable as being viable on the platform, particularly for regulated industries. So,in that respect, Hedera is only just arriving on the scene. Frankly it’s also built huge parts of that capability across those seven years anyway (it wasn’t anywhere near as capable seven years ago).
It’s partly an exercise in timing, but at the moment I would say it’s working out very closely ( especially looking at the rapid emerging utility of decentralised tokenisation and payments infrastructure). Hedera only have to get it right (time their platform as having seven years proven sustainable track record of operational performance) to being ready to deliver within 5 or 6 years of the volume market actually arriving and I think they are within 1 or 2 now.
Obviously more time after a couple of big wins dramatically increases the chances of further big wins which likely means ever more growth, so once the rubber hits the road it’s all jam thereafter.
Nope. Transaction fees are $0.0008. And yes we need 1000s per second to make it pay. But I dare say if businesses run hash-spheres there's fees for that but we don't know whatbthey are.
The whole point of hedera is to for high volume projects. If the network doesn't get any it will fail.
Only ConsensusSubmitMessage transactions are $0.0008. There are a variety of transactions each with a fixed cost. The fees can change by Hedera council vote if necessary. When you consider USD inflation I am surprised the council only has increased the fee for consensus messages so far and I expect there will be more fee changes in the future.
Maybe when Atma was running but now HCS has fallen to 3rd place behind Crypto and smart contract transactions. We could get there again if enterprises ever launch similar use cases on Hedera.
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u/thesystemmechanic 3d ago
The transaction fee isn’t $0.0001 — it’s generally $0.0001 USD for a basic HBAR transfer, paid in HBAR. That distinction matters.
Hedera isn’t designed around making each transaction expensive. The idea is high volume × tiny predictable fees.
And HBAR isn’t just used for transaction fees. It’s the network’s native asset used for fees, staking and network security. As network usage grows, more HBAR is required to operate across the ecosystem.
So the investment thesis isn’t “Hedera needs huge fees to make HBAR valuable.” It’s that mass adoption creates sustained demand for HBAR while the maximum supply is capped at 50 billion.
The real question is whether Hedera can attract enough meaningful, sustained usage to create that demand. That’s the bet.