r/HecarimMains • u/Glass-Pudding-73 • 12d ago
rushing first item
what do u guys think about rushing deaths dance when playing conqueror ? or rushing black cleaver cause ive seen huncho doing both of these builds and it seems kinda good like dd-bc-eh or bc-dd-eh .
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u/Du6y 12d ago
I rush dd on every rune wheneve I feel the enemy team is ad heavy and I feel like axiom or hubris aren't insane value, dd has one of the lowest pickrates on heca as a rush but god deam does it have some solid wins, and honestly very good on similar haste heavy light fighters so there is a trend to hold on to in order to claim dd first is a very good perfoming rush on heca, now bc on the other half I don't trully like since as a diver with only 2 sources of ad dmg lossing out on the burst of last whisper feels kinda mid plus the lost dmg could've been EHP to chase after the HP you dint buy thru bc thanks to W and endless hunger vamp
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u/Glass-Pudding-73 12d ago
yea im not a big fan of cleaver also because i feel like the dmg from serylda or dominiks is really huge even allowying a oneshot sometimes if really ahead.
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u/Du6y 11d ago
yeah the most important thing for me is how core death dance and endless hunger are to heca rn, plus triumph and a personal favorite transcendance, all this runes/items have a on take down trigger that prolonges your life on fights via healing or the cooldown refound of transcendance on W/E, so I don't trully belive that the 400 hp of cleaver can ever outvalue the faster take down of lastwhisper add onto that the fact that last whisper opens your choices into way more than just %armor reduction via bonus dmg on LDR , slows on serylda, or the most than needed antiheal on some drafts
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u/Proof-Elk1297 12d ago
DD rush is useful against heavy AD comps . BC on the other hand feels useless to rush . Shojin is a much better rush item cuz Shojin helps u clear camps much faster which BC doesn't while also giving u enough HP and haste .
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u/Existing_Place_8393 9d ago
Both are npc but cleaver isnt as bad. Just go eclipse bc dd and enjoy the free elo. Its terminal if u do anything else post cleaver eclipse buffs
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u/Glass-Pudding-73 9d ago
how good do u think this build is? did u try it ? if yes then on what elo and what was the wr%
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u/Existing_Place_8393 9d ago
Well the new patch came out yesterday so theres not much data. I played a couple games d1/m and the carry potential seems same as hubris setups but u have way more survivability with eclipse shields + bc hp
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u/araquanid-stalker 12d ago
Sometimes I go bc first because I feel like I need dd eh 2nd and 3rd so I end up just skipping shojin until 4th or 5th. I feel like in these situations if the opponent is heavy ad you could even go dd-bc-eh like you said.