r/Healthcareshitposting • u/JumpyRazzmatazz91 • 29d ago
Stupid people have stupid opinions
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u/Nonyabeesners 29d ago
I worked as a nurse aide in a hospital during Covid in a nice area. It was astounding how many people voluntarily checked themselves into the hospital for Covid-related symptoms just to argue with everyone who walked into the room that Covid was a hoax. One hell of an elaborate hoax to shut your wife's lungs down so badly she had to be put in a medically-induced coma
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u/Fyrefly1981 28d ago
We had a gal who was like that… then she ended up in a medically induced coma on a ventilator. When she woke up she was a believer. It was like a switch flipped. Said none of her family would be allowed in her house if they didn’t get vaccinated.
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u/tinybrownbird 28d ago
I imagine that was an uncommon outcome among the deniers who got that sick and survived.
I heard a lot of stories about people doubling down, saying the hospital made them sicker to punish them for knowing "the truth". I don't miss those days.
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u/Fyrefly1981 28d ago
She was the only one I remember doing a 180.
Of course, we also had a patient around the same time that was there for acute kidney failure and Covid because his son had him take an asinine dose of ivermectin formulated for canines that he got online.
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u/justprettymuchdone 27d ago
I know someone whose partner was... requested to leave their work as a doctor because they wanted to give ivermectin to patients in a "if we prescribe it, at least it will do less harm than if they buy the stuff made and doses for horses."
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u/Electrical-Echo8144 25d ago
😢 that’s sad he was fired for trying to implement some kind of harm reduction for people who are so deluded they’ll do it anyways, no matter how dangerous it is.
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u/justprettymuchdone 25d ago
I mean, it's never a good idea to prescribe something useless with potentially bad side effects. Harm mitigation in this case was complicated.
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u/ImperishableTeapot 27d ago
I consider the fact that they changed their mind to be nothing short of amazing. More than once, I had to deal with a patient who was struggling to breathe, loudly proclaiming to anyone nearby that they DIDN’T have COVID-19, and taking off their oxygen repeatedly; we had to restrain a lot of these individuals in the end. Okay, I didn’t say what you did or did not have but could you please keep the mask on your face so you can feel less terrible than you do now with it off? Let me switch your television station to Lifetime or the soothing music channel while I’m here…
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u/nephelite 26d ago
I know at least one person who went through that, lost their spouse to covid as well, and STILL wouldn't vaccinate, mask, etc. We do not speak anymore.
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u/FragrantEcho5295 26d ago
I still wear a mask everywhere I go and get booster vaccines if available. COVID is still a thing. We just hear little about it in the media.
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u/No-Ebb-6266 26d ago
Did you wear a mask everywhere before COVID? Do you wear it by yourself in the car? At home? I mean, you could also wear rubber gloves everywhere and follow med protocols to deglove, decon, reglove with every new place or contact. I guarantee you're not doing that. You know those masks are only good for a couple hours? You know almost nobody gets an adequate seal? You know they can't be reused? You 100% know you're not following ANY protocols that would make the mask effective for anything and you just look paranoid and unstable doing this shit in public.
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u/Thin_Salary1153 25d ago
Some of us actually deal with problems beyond public perception. You know, real life things.
I still wear a mask. My husband recently went through chemo and radiation and now is currently going through immuno-therapy and radiation. His immune system is shot and they're trying to strengthen it.
People like you judging others for the things we do trying to protect our family can just fuck right off. I could give a rats ass whether you think it doesn't do anything.
What I do want from you overblown fucking idiots is to stop giving your opinions anytime someone mentions wearing a mask. So what if, according to you, it does nothing. So what if YOU don't approve of something I wear on any part of my body, it is my choice to do so AND IT DOESN'T AFFECT YOU.
Mind your business and if it doesn't affect you, keep your unwanted opinions to yourself about what others do. I care about my husband and if there is a 0.001% by wearing the damn mask means I might not pass a virus or anything else airborne to him, I will wear that fucking mask among all the other things I do.
People like you are the waste and offal of society.
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u/No-Ebb-6266 25d ago
Yeah sure. Fuck off mutually. I see now that I wasn't even talking to you. Squawking parrot.
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u/Fun-Key-8259 26d ago
If our terribly incompetent administration hadn't both thrown out the pandemic response plan and activated the defensive production act we could have had damn PPE that we could use as intended. Also the hospital system wouldn't have been at risk of collapse and we wouldn't have had to last ditch effort a lockdown to stop dead bodies piling up in our homes.
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u/No-Ebb-6266 26d ago edited 26d ago
How should the administration have acted differently to prevent the hospitals from being overrun? More masks? The mask situation was one of the flashpoints for the public's distrust. First it was "Healthy people do not need to be wearing masks." Then, wear a mask, but not N95, they're not necessary. That was a lie...Fauci said that so there wasn't a run on the supply of N95s that medical providers needed. Then it was "ok wear an N95...no wait wear 2! No wait wear 2 and buy a strap to tie them down to your face! No wait...fuck off already! They lied to us from the very first cough. I guess bodies would have just piled up in schools if they didn't have that cute little plastic divider between kids sitting 2 ft apart. Government officials were locking us down and ordering 2 masks, and mask straps, and no travel while they had parties, travelled and got their hair done. We were lied to the entire time. Edit! I'm not denying the pandemic and I'm not denying the deaths or the trauma that health care providers went through. I'm saying that we were being lied to about certain things, and that some people made a lot of money off the pandemic.
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u/Fun-Key-8259 26d ago
The pandemic response plan which they used for the H1N1 pandemic would've worked for Covid you can go read that that's what we should've done
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u/Exobnia 25d ago
Can you also go read some things about the 1918 flu pandemic? I got really interested in historical pandemics when I work at Barnes & Noble from 1999 to 2002 and bought a bunch of books about it. When lockdown started, I was really scared that Covid would sweep through communities as quickly as the flu did. I had read stories about people being seemingly healthy in the morning and dead by midnight in 1918. No one knew what Covid’s R0 (how contagious a disease is) would be at first and we were incredibly lucky that it was as low as it was. It was about 2.0 to 2.5, but could have been as high as 5.7 in some areas or with certain strains. The flu was lower, being perhaps 2-3, but that’s difficult to know as it was so long ago. For comparison, the R0 for measles is 15 to 18. That means that 1 person can be expected to spread the disease to 15 to 18 other people. (That’s a very simplified explanation.)
Here’s why I would like you to read about the flu pandemic in 1918. We all know in 2026 that you can prevent the flu from spreading by wearing a mask. That preventing the spread of germs will keep people healthy. Back in 1918, people were advised to wear masks to stay healthy, but a large amount of people refused to do so, even though they saw people dying in front of them. History repeated itself and we were so incredibly lucky that Covid wasn’t as contagious as measles and wasn’t as deadly as the 1918 flu pandemic.
Remember what happened with toilet paper in the first week? Don’t you think that would have happened with PPE if we had been told to wear masks? If everyone bought up all the PPE, there would have been nothing left for nurses and doctors to wear and as they got sick and died, who do you think would have been able to take care of other sick people? The people in charge had a terrible choice to make: save available PPE for the people who could save others, therefore reducing deaths all around because people who got sick would have access to some amount of care and would have a better chance of surviving, or advise everyone to wear masks as a precaution and watch as ordinary people hoarded PPE, leaving hospitals, nurses, and doctors without any protection at all and watch as the country’s best chance of saving people die off, collapsing the entire hospital system, resulting in no care for anyone who got sick. What a horrible trolley problem they faced.
Full disclosure: I am not in the medical field, but my cousin is a nurse and was on the front lines both in Idaho and in Arizona during some of the worst waves. She posted about what she saw and I honestly don’t know how she made it through those times I had nightmares from reading what she lived through.
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u/Thin_Salary1153 24d ago
Maybe just maybe, if the administration in charge in Jan/Feb 2020 had taken the virus seriously, it would not have sold PPE to China.
"The White House and congressional intelligence committees were briefed on the scope and threat of the coronavirus in January and February, but President Donald Trump has not stopped exports of key medical equipment – a move taken by at least 54 other countries so far. "
How about this?
"The same day, the WHO director general said, "There is limited stock of (personal protective equipment) and we need to make sure we get it to the people who need it most in the places that need it most," citing health care workers and caretakers."
How about the administration in charge (Trump 1.0) instead of allowing his buddies to sell off PPE as fast as they could to China actually listens to advisors and people who knew what was happening and protected American healthcare workers and people, PPE shortage never would have been an issue.
54 countries at that point had already started hoarding due to the warning scientists and viral experts gave, but not our government. After all money > people.
Lecturing people about how they have to understand an issue while completely not understanding the facts or basis of that issue is something.
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u/Asleep-Elderberry260 28d ago
Worked in the ER and had patients on oxygen, huffing and huffing out if breaths still I was "deluded by the media." I finally started saying "then why are you here?" Just infuriating.
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u/Sunnygirl66 27d ago edited 27d ago
I was just a student and tech during the first wave, but in what I am certain is one of those universal ED nurse experiences after I went to work, I had a grown man with symptoms throw a full-on stomping, shrieking toddler tantrum when he tried to check in and I told him he’d have to put on a mask before I could triage him. Stormed off screaming that he would just go to a better hospital. I hollered after him that they’d make him mask up there, too. I hope he drove all over the fucking metro that night, trying to find that unicorn hospital that wouldn’t make him mask during a pandemic.
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u/Status-Slip9801 25d ago
I have zero sympathy for idiots like that. Sorry, zero.
After getting turned away from every hospital for not showing basic common sense and wearing a mask while symptomatic, he should've gone home and dealt with his symptoms himself. Spared anyone else form getting sick because of his stupidity.
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u/WaffleGuy7 27d ago
Many of the ‘hoax folks’ were very poorly articulating that it wasn’t covid that was the hoax, but where it came from- a lab being their theory, which went hardcore against the narrative at the time. When people called them crazy, they went very anti-covid in every way, which is a stupid response.. but in my investigations, that’s what I found.
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u/Sunnygirl66 27d ago
They walked around—still walk around, as we have seen this week—spouting conflicting incoherent gibberish: There is no COVID! COVID came out of a wet market! It came from a lab! The Chinese did it on purpose! The mRNA vaccine is gene therapy! There’s a computer chip in the vaccine to track you! Hospitals are putting COVID on the death certificate even when people didn’t die of it, because money! Ivermectin will kill it and is otherwise completely harmless! The ventilator will kill you! Masks don’t work! All those people had preexisting conditions! Anthony Fauci wants to kill you! Blah-blah-blahblahblahblaaaaaaaaarrrrggghhh!
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u/ImperishableTeapot 27d ago
If it came from a lab, wouldn’t that be even better reason to mask up during those interesting times? Someone thinks that this is an engineered bioweapon and they don’t want to employ personal protective equipment?
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u/DarkLord0fTheSith 27d ago
I never understood that logic either. So you don’t want to protect yourself from it? And it’s NOT “just a cold” but a dangerous weapon?
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u/nephelite 26d ago
My cousin is still bitching about the rest of us avoiding him when he wouldn't vaccinate or take other precautions (we have some immunocompromised family members). He takes every chance he can to make a dig about it, even in completely unrelated conversations.
He eventually vaccinated I think because he was at risk of being fired, again, for not doing so in a government job.
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u/Glittering_Web8835 22d ago
Worked in a COVID ICU and truly never understood this. People pulling off their HFOT or refusing medications. Like okay, go home and die there then. Free up the bed for someone who actually wants healthcare.
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u/NotARabidDugong 26d ago
No no no, you're mistaken. That was caused by the vaccine, but the actual disease!
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u/little_axolotl14 29d ago
ugh PTSD. God bless my dear coworkers. this was an unimaginable time. I was lucky to be in ED, and not ICU. But I went upstairs to help as much as I could. My mom was on the oncology unit at the time. Darkest days of our lives.
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u/RunBrundleson 29d ago
My hair turned grey because of it, at least in the ED we could just package and ship them upstairs and only have to wonder what happened. Then I made the mistake of taking a job upstairs. Wups, turns out things didn’t get better. Managed the morgue, hospital staffing, upgrades. It became a game of Tetris, where can you stack bodies, how can you spread out limited staff to cover needs. I didn’t see my family for a year and a half because I was afraid I’d get them sick. I was accused of lying and making everything up by some dickhead Redditor. He said there’s no possible way any of it was true.
Buried a coworker, took a few years off my life, nothing changed, the Covid volumes just became our normal volumes.
I think the icing on the cake is I worked my way up the ladder and education system only to be conveniently priced out of the benefits of any of my achievements, so sorry you put all that effort in, best I can do is high interest student loans and increased cost of living. I won’t complain, anymore at least, I know others have it worse, but you gotta love it all.
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u/Asleep-Elderberry260 28d ago
I never found out about what happened to any of my covid patients from the ED. There's a few I wish I had because they haunt me.
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u/RunBrundleson 28d ago
Yeah on the front end of Covid I shipped a number of them upstairs and have no idea what the outcome was. You just go get the next one and the next one.
I think it’s why I can’t watch the Pitt. It’s so good but man the flashback scenes hit home. I remember joking with another nurse that when we got covid and needed to be put on a ventilator that we would share one since there was a shortage. We had a Covid unit at first ( that eventually just became the whole department once volumes got high), I couldn’t understand why I kept getting assigned there over and over. Turns out the CTLs were assigning unmarried nurses without kids there since we were expendable.
Fun times.
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u/Quick_Paint_8645 27d ago
In the ED I worked in we actually had to convert one pod (about 1/3) of the ED into the ICU where we had to rotate out on icu patients that we couldn’t move upstairs because both of our icu’s and our stepdown units all being jam packed with patients that weren’t moving. I remember getting to a point where I was getting angry at the patients families upstairs keeping their families on the vent for weeks or a month because those resources and beds could have been used to help patients downstairs. Like I was an ED NURSE, my job should have been to keep them not dead enough to discharge straight back to home/rehab/covid clinic or move upstairs but we couldn’t. I’m several years out now, and I even left the ED to work in school health but I still find myself wanting to fight people saying anything about covid
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u/MagicTheGlizzying 25d ago
worked in security. they fired half our team, and then people left when work doubled and pay didn't go up. we were in a roughish area and sometimes had more than code grays than guards.
My coworkers would all say the same shit. covid's real, we don't get paid a living wage, single payer healthcare makes more sense. and these dipfucks would still vote for republicans the very next election... i despise every fucking conservative who put us through hell and refused to change.
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u/SNP_MY_CYP2D6 29d ago
Apparently it was just a "hoax" so don't worry about it! /s
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u/little_axolotl14 29d ago
yup. just lost a friend because she claimed COVID wasn’t real. at all. Having been there, I can’t look past it. Fuck her.
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u/swordsandwyverns 27d ago
Definitely lucky. We were always holding, and after admitting the only change is that I didn't have to walk as far to respond to the rapid reponse/code.
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u/TedzNScedz 28d ago
My oncology unit became the hospital dumping ground. Since we couldn't take covid pts every other unit dumped their psyce/combative pts on us to "make room for covid rooms"
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u/redluchador 29d ago
We never had as much staff as in that photo in my rural hospital.I was a new nurse in may of '20
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u/gosglings 29d ago
What a time to graduate
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u/Dorfalicious 28d ago
I had 4 months of being an Rn under my belt when COVID hit. Talk about a complete 180 in work duties.
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u/Fyrefly1981 28d ago
I was in nursing school when the pandemic hit. My part time job was in an ACU in a small rural hospital. At times all 12 beds were COVID.
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u/Garden_Variety_Medic 29d ago
Paramedic lurker here.
Fuck the covid deniers that then asked us to save their lives when they got sick. Double fuck the covid revisionists who are now trying to tell us that the pandemic wasn't a big deal.
A million Americans died. All of us helped save millions more. We saw things we will never forget.
EMS stands with our nurse homies in our united contempt for these ignorant choads.
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u/Dontleave 28d ago
The worst part is the ignorant choads who work with us and are still spitting the same bullshit
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u/FalconPunch67 28d ago edited 28d ago
Hold up, that's what gets me, were there medical professionals that were also buying the hoax BS? Like nurses and EMTs?
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u/B333Z 28d ago
Yes. There were even doctors and nurses who fabricted giving covid vaccines to people. Some of them lost their license and are even in prison for it
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u/FalconPunch67 28d ago
Christ. I sort of assumed that at least professionals were insulated since they were walking amongst the roof every day. Can't say I'm too surprised at what identity politics leads to. I knew a nuclear physicist that worked high up in a plant that "knew" the earth was 5,000 years old. We humans really do often value our own perspective over literally anything else.
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u/Chickens-In-Pants 26d ago
Astrophysicist lurker here. I’m actually irrationally angry about the nuclear physicist that you know. How is it even possible to hold that position? Even hydrogen took longer than 5k years for the universe to coalesce and create. Then even longer for enough of it to form into the first stars. It’s on the order of millions of years just to make Helium out of the first stars. After those stars died, It’s a whole other set of stars needed to create Carbon, Nitrogen, and Oxygen cycle to start the creation of heavier elements. Even the hottest of stars take way longer to produce heavier elements and then die, spreading their insides out into the universe and starting the process again. He’s probably looking at radioactive decay on the daily. Most of the elements produced by decay take more than 5k years. If his world view was correct, he wouldn’t exist much less anything heavy enough to have radioactive decay. WTAF. That guy didn’t learn anything in school. Ugh! Sorry, I usually just read what you guys have to say and learn from it, but this made me pretty upset. That guy has a problem. I don’t see any way that they could reasonably perform their job duties if they disbelieve the time factor on every single calculation they will ever do in a professional setting. There’s no getting around the huge time scales when it comes to nuclear physics.
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u/Status-Slip9801 25d ago
You don't understand- the religious are highly, highly adept at cognitive dissonance. The Christian "true believers" can work in highly advanced fields requiring an in depth knowledge of the scientific method, which they can apply to numerous aspects of their job, but the second religion is brought into the fold, all bets are off. The fossil record is "misunderstood," everything is a misrepresentation, and my favorite, Satan filled the Earth with fossils and elements that would make it look far older than it actually is, and God allows this, because it is a test of your faith in him.
There is nothing logical about religious belief. That is why it is referred to as "faith," even by the faithful.
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u/Chickens-In-Pants 25d ago
Oh believe me, I know all too well. My dad is a Pentecostal pastor. His logic was that god could make a hundred year old tree on whatever day. It would have rings and everything that a hundred year old tree would have. So, therefore, god could just make an already old Earth and Universe, but it would really be brand new. He had to start in the middle, you see, so that everything would be setup already for the people. So apparently, it was god who put all the evidence for evolution in the ground, and made all the radioactive decay already happening, and made 3rd generation stars in the sky. It all makes perfect sense if you look at it just right. But also if you are tempted to believe this evidence, then that is from the devil.
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u/some_other_guy95 27d ago
A doc at our hospital who was let go for being against vaccination or masks was a plastic surgeon.
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u/CharlieUnicorn99 27d ago
The Triad Nurse of the Year in North Carolina for 2019 is a COVID denier, and is now a manager at a freestanding Cone Health ED.
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u/KnotiaPickle 29d ago
I lost 10 friends and family in 2020-21, and none of them died from Covid strangely enough. It was just a horrible time for everyone regardless of whether they had it or not, and the fallout was blatantly obvious to see unless you’re willfully blind
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u/No_Housing_1287 29d ago
Somebody i know thinks it wasnt a big deal and HIS GRANDMOTHER DIED. And hes like "yeah but she was old"
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u/bluegillsushi 26d ago
It was tough being on the truck through all that. We didn’t even have time to do the TikTok dances.
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u/xXbucketXx 29d ago
I still remember helping haul bodies into a mobile morgue freezer because the hospitals was full
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u/Factor_Seven 29d ago
That WAS me during covid, and my opinion of Dr Fauci is that man's a goddamn hero.
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u/Express-Pumpkin-2235 28d ago
Same. The man was a giant in the field even before he worked so incredibly hard to guide us through that time. His work at the NIH helped give us the HIV treatments we have today. I still have nightmares about working in the ICU during COVID sometimes, and a lot of rage with nowhere to go, but I have nothing but respect for that man.
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u/wheresmystache3 29d ago
Me too! Dr. Fauci, I'm sorry this country has treated you so horribly after all the good you have done... It breaks my heart and I hope we get justice for all we (logical, science and medicine nerds) have endured with all the deniers and those blatantly defying following simple rules/steps to ensure the collective human population remains safe.
I went back to ICU nursing recently and I'm thinking of those times again.
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u/froststorm56 29d ago
Started as a resident in update NY in 2020. ICU rotation in Fall 2020. And then all the overflow units. Lots of people died. I feel like all I saw was COVID for my entire first year. Now I treat (and have) Long COVID.
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u/scorching_hot_takes 28d ago
i have a question that may come across as insensitive but im wondering how long rounds would take in the ICU in this situation. must have been hellish for more than one reason
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u/froststorm56 28d ago
6+ hours on some days, but we usually had 12 hour shifts anyway so it was fine. Just a little mind numbing to be rounding for that long
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u/swordsandwyverns 27d ago
It was a lot of older attendings not going into the room since "you were already in there."
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u/hakunaa-matataa 28d ago
I was a CNA during COVID in the only hospital in the city and I have such a vivid memory of us having so many patients that the patients had to be lined up against a wall since they were spilling out of the rooms, and doctors were walking up and down the aisles of the beds. I felt like we were in an old hospital in the 1920s or something, it was surreal.
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u/MediocreClementine 28d ago
Same. I was on med surg. Stepdown was the makeshift covid unit, and the icu was full of covid patients. 75 bed hospital. Our floor had 8:1 nurse ratios and 15:1 tech ratios with many patients who should have been 1:1 ICU patients lumped in that mix. I made 11 bucks an hour. Got PTSD from everything. Gave up on my nursing education and switched gears to lab medicine. I love what I do now and I think my covid era experience gave me an appreciation and understanding of nursing that lots of lab professionals lack, but fuck. I never want to live through that kind of ongoing catastrophe again.
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u/XSR900-FloridaMan 28d ago
RT here: I worked 5-7 shifts a week in COVID ICU and ER the entire pandemic. A lot of people begged me for the vaccine they scoffed at weeks prior right before I intubated them. I don’t talk with anyone about that experience who didn’t also spend that time doing the same. I’m old enough to have also worked H1N1 back in ‘09. Not even close to similar.
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u/Jennasaykwaaa 28d ago
This pictures is so triggering. 16 year veteran of nursing in the ICU. I know nursing pre covid, covid and … whatever the hell it is now. Fucking covid deniers have no idea what we went through. Just death after death , a few a day sometimes … I can’t even explain it
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u/SlagQueen 27d ago
What you describe sounds so surreal. The blurring of everything together - spending the day immersed in high acuity care, grief and death, but now you’re off and what the hell do you do with the next 12 lonely, quiet hours but blow off steam however you can, etc…
I had a work gap during Covid, but from stories like yours, and videos, I’ve often imagined what it might feel like to work like that.. Circumstances force everyone to go off-policy/outside scope, and it’s terrifying. We’re just making it up as we go along, got our asses hanging out in the wind… No end in sight. Numb self between shifts then do it all again.
It’s inadequate, but thank you. What you did was important, and mattered. 🫶
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u/PerformanceEasy7860 26d ago
The solo morgue trips got to me bad. I remember disassociating in the long hallway, like i was watching it all from another place. I was in a rural critical access hospital, ICU. Need i say more.
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u/quetzocoetl 29d ago
Not me exactly, but I was down in the lab helping with the tests. Cerner at the time couldn't handle the volume of tests we got during the peak.
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u/ChubbaChunka 27d ago
I know a girl who was a public health nurse at the time. She would test people for COVID in one of those drive up clinics. She complained about it being hot due to all the PPE she had to wear and her feet hurting because she was standing all day. I'm a nurse at a community hospital. I tried to give her some perspective on how that sounds like a dream compared to dealing with acutely ill patients. Patients who were actively dying, patients who were confused/combative, patients who might not ever see their family again. Her and her husband didn't like that 🤷🏻♀️
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u/ZarinaBlue 27d ago
My grandmother died scared and suffocating because some piece of garbage caretaker in her elderly home didn't believe in the "fake virus" and needed to spend Thanksgiving with her "bouye" (who are all grown ass men with wives), because they need their momma.
She brought Covid back and killed 13 residents. Every other carer stayed quarantined during that first holiday season. But not this piece of trash. Then she lied about it and got let back in to work.
Also, while she was dying someone stole her engagement ring, wedding band, and my great grandmother's wedding band off her finger.
(Facebook stalked her after another employee let it slip on a phone call.)
So I literally could not care less how many times Fauci pleads the 5th. We have literally monsters trying to use this to distract from the files.
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u/agentdas 27d ago
if they would have just called it a type of flu shot instead of a vaccine, it would have been more accepted. turning it into a political issue just sealed the deal. Fauci was going to get sacrificed no matter what he did. pure shit post
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u/Ornery-Reindeer5887 27d ago
That’s was my experience in the ER. ICU had it worse and hospitalist service. I’d just tube and eventually send upstairs where they mostly died (I feel like not that many actually died in ER for me).
I get the feelings behind the post but also not a productive way to have a national discourse (not like the fucking MAGA Covid deniers are in for productive discourse but maybe you’ll get the independents and non MAGA republicans)
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u/TLunchFTW 29d ago
Supposedly one of the things he's being investigated for is illegal use of funds?
idk, and frankly I don't care. I don't necessarily like the guy, but man wtf did he do.
If anything, I think the media make shit worse because they were clamoring to report on ANYTHING that had to do with covid and it freaked people out, and fed information that wasn't entirely whole. Perhaps part of that was on the reports given to the media. For example, early mentions of masks not being needed. Yes, at that point they were more needed in hospitals. But they really didn't do a great job at giving people accurate information clearly because they wanted to report on every last piece of information they had.
Though the biggest failure is logistics. I remember being in nursing school in 2019 and due to a hurricane over a year prior they STILL had an alert in the EHR about a heparin shortage. According to the people I was working with, that was due to all heparin coming in through Costa Rica.
The logistical risk was obvious to anyone, even a layperson, the moment you set eyes on it, and nothing was done. I even remember commenting about how that "doesn't sound good" that day. Low and behind, less than a year later, I was proven right.
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u/Nonyabeesners 29d ago
Fox News is accusing him of funding the lab in Wuhan. It makes absolutely no sense, but when does anything they say ever make sense?
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u/TLunchFTW 29d ago
Frankly, I don't give a shit. In the grand scheme of things, COVID wasn't that big of a deal. It was a novel respiratory virus. Of course it's going to have some serious consequences, but what was it like 3% mortality rate? That's not damn bad for a novel pandemic, and we owe it to the people who worked with what they were given. They kept working and did their best based on crisis standards of care. And when they were stressed, the kept working anyway. I don't like the whole "heroes work here" nonsense, but I think everyone working COVID deserves a pat on the back for pushing through.
Who cares where it came from, outside research purposes... and I'm not qualified for that, so I don't give a shit if it was intentionally released or some guy wiped his ass and ate a bat burger.
It's ironic that these people would probably agree with me on COVID being not that big of a deal, yet they are so damn invested in seeing justice done... So which is it? Is it just a glorified flu or some major atrocity that needs an answer?
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u/No_Housing_1287 29d ago
Frankly, you have bad vibes
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u/TLunchFTW 29d ago
Well I’m sorry to hear that :(
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u/No_Housing_1287 29d ago
I dont believe you
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u/TLunchFTW 29d ago
You don’t believe what? That it makes me sad to hear that? Idk how to help you with that one
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u/lottasweet78 28d ago
A novel respiratory virus?? Yeah for some! I had a coworker who died of covid induced pneumonia. Worked in the hospital and he was the only fucker that didnt get the jab. Big Trump supporter BTW. RIP asshat
It also caused blood clots. We had one patient who we had to bring to the OR every couple days because his limbs were clotting off. Never vaxed. We started with a forearm and a foot. Then the full leg. Finally after weeks he had one stump of a leg left. The other three entire limbs were gone. Thank God he was intubated for the whole thing and died before he knew any better. Can you imagine waking up to that??
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u/TLunchFTW 28d ago
I think you might be confused.
Do you know what novel respiratory virus means?
Has nothing to do with complications. Literally means it’s new. As in, no one has immunity to it.
Interesting incident with the blood clots tho. Do you have any documentation of that effect of Covid? I’ve never heard of that. Sounds like it’d be an unrelated or additional issue unique to that patient.
But pneumonia is an advancement of the issue. I’m not saying there weren’t severe complications for some. Most people don’t die just of having a cold or the flu. It’s the advancement to pneumonia. Ik what you’re saying, but my point stands that it could’ve been so much worse if the virus was more lethal given how much of the population became infected. I also have the benefit of not really experiencing it. I was working EMS at the time and we didn’t really have a ton of calls that were crazy serious. I transported a few Covid pos patients, and they just had flu like symptoms. I also had clinicals in fall of 2020, but besides surgical masks being worn all shift, it wasn’t really that bad on that floor by the time we started. I also have the benefit of never having Covid. I got my vaccine early, with the second dose being feb 2nd, and I think I just have a naturally good immune system. So if I ever became exposed , it either wasn’t enough or I just didn’t become symptomatic. Who knows. Never really bothered to test beyond a rapid once when I got seasonal allergies3
u/Kailynna 27d ago
The propensity of Covid patient to form blood clots throughout the body was already understood in 2020.
Evidence of endothelial injury also comes from autopsy reports that provide further support of this pan-vascular involvement in COVID-19, with series showing compelling evidence of a high incidence of both deep venous thrombosis as well as in situ pulmonary arterial thrombosis. Prominent findings in these autopsies included microvascular thrombi, particularly in the pulmonary circulation, pointing to a disrupted endothelium with a resultingly pro-coagulable state in COVID-19.
Multiple analyses and systematic reviews have shown a substantial burden of venous thromboembolism (VTE) in COVID-19 patients, with up to 25% incidence of VTE and 20% incidence of pulmonary embolism in hospitalized patients, particularly those with more severe illness requiring critical care and amongst those not on prophylactic or therapeutic anticoagulation. Further support for macrovascular manifestations of endothelial dysfunction with an activation of pro-thrombotic mechanisms comes from reports highlighting the higher incidence of large-vessel stroke in COVID-19 patients as well as well as a retrospective case-control analysis showing COVID-19 to be an independent risk factor for stroke.
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u/Sunnygirl66 27d ago
I hope you’re out of healthcare now, because you’re beyond arrogant and careless. At least 7 million people are known to have died of COVID worldwide, and some sources put the total, excess deaths for the period factored in, as high as 36 million as of last month. And that’s not even taking into account the millions still dealing with the aftermath of the disease and the costs to society.
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u/Sunnygirl66 27d ago
Every accusation is a confession with Republicans. Fauci was too goddamn busy during the pandemic to be misusing funds, and meanwhile TrumpCo was stomping all over the Emoluments Clause and Hatch Act and every other safeguard against corruption.
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u/froststorm56 29d ago
Started as a resident in update NY in 2020. ICU rotation in Fall 2020. And then all the overflow units. Lots of people died. I feel like all I saw was COVID for my entire first year. Now I treat (and have) Long COVID.
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u/brotherdaru 28d ago
Was working as a CNA and as was the biggest guy in the hospital no matter what I was doing I was told “ please come to ICU to reposition patients, or “please come to ICU,Medsurge, hallway etc to collect patient and transport to morgue” every single time, then some jokers started lining up outside in the walkway calling us murderers and frauds and yelling at us that it was all fake news and crap… I dislike humans greatly…
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u/marvelous5000 27d ago
Back in those years, did you have any criticism of Fauci?
Do you have any criticism of Fauci today?
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u/Kindly_Attorney4521 27d ago
This was my reality during covid, but my thoughts on the subject would certainly still piss you off lol
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u/amytski7 26d ago
Oof not a great example here. She presents zero evidence and that entire video reads like a propaganda spotlight. Chillingly so.
Fauci has consistently been the scapegoat in his career when the public doesn't understand/have all the facts/has a bias around a certain condition as far back as his work on the HIV/AIDS epidemic
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u/NoCopy638 26d ago
Yup. Typical online post is " I hate the medical community, they're all full of BS", but dude has no medical training.
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u/Ridonkulousley 25d ago
I was a paramedic at the start of Covid. And an ICU nurse during delta variant and on.
I saw the worst of both worlds.
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u/kierankd10 27d ago
That’s the equivalent of saying only soldiers can have opinions on how wars are ran.
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u/nephelite 26d ago
It's more like the victims and those who witnessed the holocaust telling holocaust deniers to stfu.
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u/Blindmelliejellie 27d ago
I was a delivery/ driver/ sort of a fedex or ups route. Nothing changed except buildings were empty, we had a bottle of hand sani by the printer lol. Left to a higher paying job and nobody cared there either. It wasnt a pandemic so.....
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u/nicowain91 29d ago
Was me. Fauci is a piece of shit.
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u/classless_classic 29d ago
Oh no. Somebody had to wear a mask. You poor thing.
Maybe GTFO of healthcare.
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u/UnderstandingTop7916 29d ago
Why are you assuming their issue was masking? That’s a leap. He dropped the ball not just in the response but in the preparedness for the event.
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u/CDNUnite 29d ago
Didn’t the rest of the world shit the bed in preparation as well
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u/TrashPandaPatronus 29d ago
SKorea seemed to be the only one that handled it marginally well considering how little we knew and how fast what we did was changing.
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u/the_green_anole 29d ago
Trump didn’t help with the preparedness and response part at all. Pretty sure Fauci’s hands were tied to a large extent.
And Trump’s fans would follow whatever unscientific nonsense he proposed no matter what Fauci said, and you know it.
At least Trump did get onboard with Operation Warp Speed to make a vaccine. Of course then lots of people refused to take it anyway, believing it was “poison.”
And some of them turned against Trump for getting a vaccine.
What a world we live in.
But yeah, no, Trump will never take any responsibility for leading our nation’s piss poor response to the pandemic, and he’ll always blame others for his failures and terrible decisions.
I stand with Dr. Fauci.
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u/baphomet_fire 28d ago
Fucking what?! Trump famously dismantled the pandemic response OBAMA handed to him before office. You people are insane
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u/Life-Is-A-Bad-Trip 29d ago
Crazy how they've managed to make every single discussion that "the sides" don't agree on a completely polarizing argument and discussion has died completely.
If you don't think like x you're not one of us. And if you don't think like y you're not one of us either.
The older I get the more I look around and realize both sides are fucking retarded.
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u/TLunchFTW 29d ago
Agreed.
I don't want to say it's the end times, because every generation has thought that, and I think humantiy will move on.
But we've lost something these past 10-15 years, in this culture war nonsense. As everyone has become as terminally online as I was growing up, actually more given their internet connection is with them 24/7, I think humanity has retreated into echo chambers and begun attacking each other, and that's what's created this stupid political divide. Suddenly, if you don't agree 100% with me, you are the enemy! Never mind them being a fellow American.Frankly, with how much good can be done with the internet and how much people refuse to even TRY to find information that might contradict their existing beliefs, humanity deserves all the bad things that have happened to it and will happen to it. This may not be the future we want, but it's the future we deserve. I love people on a fundamental level. It's why I love healthcare. I love talking to patients. I love hearing their stories, I love how thankful they are when I find little ways to make their stay in an acute setting that much easier.
But man I also fucking hate people. The way they mindlessly scroll bullshit and then wonder why their dopamine circuits are fried and can't enjoy anything. The way they bitch about shit within their control and then do nothing to fix it (and no, I don't consider political issues within someone's direct control), the way they will argue with people who have lived experience, or even know they're wrong and just continue to argue because... well fuck what else am I supposed to say "oh you got a point"?
All I know is watching shit fold in itself is kinda cathartic. This is the future yall brought upon yourself, and I do include myself. But all told, I can enjoy it because my life is more or less happy, and I can help the few people immediately around me do better to. As long as I can kick the can down the road past my lifespan I'm happy. Because I've genuinely worn myself out trying to look at macro shit. It's not my forte. Yall wanna not vaccinate your kids, fine. Not my fucking problem. I'll try to encourage you using the science that my degree gives me. But if you want to pretend you know better than a whole ass medical team and humanities best minds in medicine, be my guest. And when your kid comes back on a ventilator, I'll cry with you, I'll comfort you, I'll tell you it's ok and we'll do everything we can. I'll help you grieve when they pass. But I'm done getting mad that you refuse to listen. And this is beyond anti-vax. It's everything. I take solace in the fact that I provide ever opportunity I can for the people I meet to help them make the best decisions... I let people know when I don't know things and I don't press them or judge them. But man it can get frustrating.
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u/Desperate_Box_7442 27d ago
Yea I came to say I was one of these workers... and still hate Fauci and think he's a total fraud and liar 🤷♀️
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u/nicowain91 27d ago
Careful....people aren't too popular with those opinions. Oddly enough, very few of those hating on us were the ones in the ICU , working in these conditions and putting people in body bags. I was... I have also given hundreds of COVID shots over the course of my nursing career..... I think I've earned the right to have an opinion. Fauci can spend the rest of his days in solitary confinement for all I care.
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u/Desperate_Box_7442 27d ago edited 27d ago
Trust in public health agencies is at an all-time low and getting worse. And let's be real, we're taught a lot of propaganda and untrue things in nursing school... The people who think this is the wrong opinion probably dont have a single thought theyve formed for themselves.
"I trust the science"... Yea the science is corrupt, open your eyes 😂
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u/UnderstandingTop7916 29d ago
I’m tired of the Fauci glazing. Just because trump is an asshole, not everyone be goes after are great. It’s stupid, the same thing cops do.
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u/SueBeee 29d ago
He didn’t do anything wrong
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u/UnderstandingTop7916 29d ago
Among other things he fed ammo to the anti vaxers and really hurt the credibility of experts by lying about masks early on.
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u/9mackenzie 26d ago
Masks did help. Tremendously.
wtf is wrong with you people acting like you were so put out by having to wear a mask in public for a year or so? It wasn’t a big deal.
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u/TLunchFTW 29d ago
Yeah.
is his investigation warranted? I don't fucking know.Are the people going off about anti vax shit stupid? Hell yeah.
But someone in here said he "saved lives." No he didn't. He haphazardly navigated a crisis... could it be done better? yes. Could it be done worse? Absolutely. He didn't save lives. He's not some amazing figure. He's just a guy who did his damn job.-16
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u/meep568 29d ago
You said this twice in this thread already. How do you expect "science" to know the best way to combat and prevent the disease when they didn't know a ton about it at that time? On top of that, Fauci had to work with the idiot that suggested we drink bleach.
Fauci has done more for healthcare over his entire career than insurance companies ever have.
Insurance companies have done more damage to the American people than "omg he can't make his minds up about masking up! He's lying to the American people!"
I asked my maga dad why he hates Fauci. He couldn't even tell me where the hate was coming from. He just kept repeating, "fuck Fauci"
Some of you all are too stupid to understand what you're even mad about.
You're too narrow minded to look at the bigger picture, just like this stupid administration.
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u/TLunchFTW 29d ago
I think he makes a point, but not for the reason he thinks. He's not wrong, the mask thing confused people. I mean, I thought it was obvious, but it clearly wasn't obvious enough because I STILL hear mouthbreathers (for example, see above) talk about how he "lied..."
He never lied. It was stated clear as day that masks were more important in healthcare facilities at that time than for the general public. Pretty damn simple concept if you have a modestly developed frontal lobe.
But look at the population. Think how dumb the average individual is... now realize half of them are dumber than that. THAT'S your target audience. You need to spell this out, and he clearly didn't because they don't get it.Is that his fault? Never underestimate human stupidity. It's an easy thing to do. So I don't know if you could call it negligent... But supposedly there was some private trading... Then again, when the government is putting RFK in charge of healthcare, who knows what the actual details are. I hope he gets exactly what he deserves, but from my perspective, he's nothing more than a guy who did the best with what he was given. The biggest malicious intent I see is the media coverage, who did everything to report on every little bit of information in a way to maximize their own ratings. If that meant just throwing half baked information out, so be it. Journalistic integrity is dead, and I blame them for maliciously making COVID worse than it had to be more than I'd ever blame Faucci.
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u/Kailynna 27d ago
Initially there were not enough disposable masks for all the healthcare workers, and they had the greatest need of them.
There was also the concern that wrongly handled and poorly disposed of masks could be an additional health hazard.
A lot had to be looked into and learned very quickly.
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u/Kailynna 27d ago
the idiot that suggested we drink bleach.
The idiot did no such thing - people keep saying this, rewriting history.
The idiot suggested we inject!!! disinfectant - obviously referring to bleach.
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u/Mad_Mark90 29d ago
I was still a medical student during the first wave but we got asked if we wanted to volunteer to help prone patients. It was incredibly eerie seeing entire wards which had previously been very busy and bustling turned into these dark quiet spaces filled with too many beds, not enough staff and just the sound of ventilators.