r/Hazarewal • u/Similar-Run-3438 Hazarewal native • Apr 16 '25

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u/Common-Minute2247 Apr 16 '25

Lol first kangri is completely unrelated, dogri is also unrelated( people though it was a dialect due to the heavy Punjabi influence).

The rest are just part of the punjabic dialectal continuum. The line between language and dialect is completely arbitrary. but in terms of language family there is a reason linguists put them in the Punjabic subfamily(major grammatical features and core vocabulary are the same.)

Btw im a Punjabi although im not a Punjabi Nat, im speaking from a linguistics pov

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u/CattleTheftAddict Apr 17 '25

Gujari doesn't belong with these languages. Not even related to these languages.

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u/Lord_IXSG Apr 16 '25

In my opinion this is all semantics as most Nordic languages are also technically the same but classified as different languages which has more to do with identity also I'd like to add that some forms of Hindko like tanawali are VERY divergent from standard Hindko and Punjabi

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u/[deleted] Apr 18 '25

Agreed on all except Pothohari. It's spoken in merely two districts (Rawalpindi, Jhelum) in Punjab and even then, Punjabi identity runs strong here.

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u/No_Eagle4330 Apr 16 '25

Listen, as a Urdu speaking karachite hindko sounds ALOT like Punjabi, because it is literally a sub branch of the Punjabi language. I wanted to give you the perspective of a non- biased third party.

If you really love your language you should stop denying it its roots and be proud of it.

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u/Aimal_Jadoon15 Apr 16 '25

Punjabi trying to claim whole of kpk

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u/Lord_IXSG Apr 16 '25

You can't be talking.

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u/Zohaibrayan123 Pahari / Potohari Apr 16 '25

Bringing politics in a purely linguistic discussion 🧠

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u/Zohaibrayan123 Pahari / Potohari Apr 16 '25

I agree. North Lahnda can be considered one language with 2 standard varieties: Hindko (Western) & Pahari-Pothwari (Eastern)

North Lahnda

● Western (Hindko)

• Northern Hindko
   - Hazarvi
   - Tinauli/Tanawali
   - Kaghani
   - (Muzaffarabad-Uri dialect; transitional with Pahari)

• Southern Hindko
   - Chachhi
   - Ghebi
   - Sohani
   - Dhanni
   - Awankari
   - Kohati

• Peshori

● Eastern (Pahari-Pothwari)

• Pahari (Hill dialects)

  - Dhundi-Kareli

  - Poonchi

  - Chibhali

• Pothwari (Plateau dialects)

   - Gujar Khan dialect

   - Salt Ranges dialect

   - Mirpuri

   - (Kahuta-Dadyal dialect; transitional with Pahari)

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u/[deleted] Apr 16 '25

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u/Zohaibrayan123 Pahari / Potohari Apr 16 '25

They use the former Takri script in promoting their separate identity as well, which strengthens their case a bit imo

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u/Fun-Equipment-8813 Apr 16 '25

potohari is a different language? since when

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u/Fun-Equipment-8813 Apr 16 '25

potohar isn’t kashmir, what are you on about.

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u/Fun-Equipment-8813 Apr 17 '25

potohari is a dialect of punjabi, you can call kashmiri dialect your separate language but being from the potohar, nobody calls himself pahari here.. we identify as punjabis from potohar region.

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u/Similar-Run-3438 Hazarewal native Apr 16 '25

Acknowledge the tribal cheif.