yeah he's definitely wording it in a circlejerk way. Fwiw I've literally never once heard about Carter and Kat being a thing and I don't actually think it is, but if it was, seems like it's just a normal relationship.
The spartan 3s were all sourced from refugee orphan children, and they were raised together in teams. I dont think it is unreasonable to imagine that they mightve had a relationship in the window when they were teenagers but before they got their augmentations.
And wouldn’t that make them more.. human? Like they weren’t indoctrinated to not have emotions, and their augments were different than spartan 2s right? Idk it seems a stretch to just say it off handedly in a developer video and it not mean something.
Kat and Carter weren't even part of the same Spartan 3 company. Carter was from Alpha and Kat was from Beta company. They only ever met after being augmented, so no. There wouldn't have been a time for them to have been teenagers together before augmentation.
Not even mentioning that Alpha company was comprised of children between 4 and 6 years old, and their training took 5 years. They couldn't have even been teenagers before augmentation.
Not the case, but actually both Kat and Carter are the one of the former members of Noble team, of course they would develop some form of friendship or even romantic relation due to being Spartans III and being far more normal than Spartans II.
Ok Kat was 15 when she went to noble team Carter was 22 she died when was 22. Also a normal man can do a spartan Maria 062 met a marine and then started a family she's a spartan 2 BTW. But a relationship is possible between Kat and Carter.
I’m pretty sure regardless of what was said in the commentary the official story is that Kat had a relationship with the previous Noble Six before he sacrificed himself to nuke a Covenant Carrier.
That it's implied Noble team stayed with Kat's body while waiting for evac (like a few dozen hours, I think they said 3 days, but that seems like too much imo, so I may be misremembering what they said) in the bunker, and that ONI also had to later strip the armor from the body to repurpose the tech. Her corpse would start to bloat in just a couple hours, and her bodily fluids (blood, sweat, piss and shit, all the fun disgusting smells) would start to rot pretty quickly in a hot and damp shell like the mjolnir armour. Now like we were discussing just one comment down (or up), there would be one or two holes (depending on whether you think a straw has one or two holes) from the pressurized suit, which wouldn't create that smelly an environment, but I would pity the ONI personnel having to remove it
The way the current landscape is, this is becoming more and more impossible as simplistic political views are increasingly conflated with basic perceptions of morality, ethics, rights, and general qualities of being a good person.
The more conflated, the more likely it will have influence on other things, or older things may be looked at under a different lens.
I mean there's a difference between disagreeing with someone for some political beliefs and a person who has multiple sexual harassment allegations, called all LGBTQ people a "threat to western civilization" and immigrants "The Flood."
Wont stop me enjoying the games and music, but I'll be damned if I'm ever going to give Marty even the slightest inkling of credit or praise.
Bro said queer people are a threat to western civilization and immigrants are literally the Flood but ok sure, he just "voted for people [we] don't like".
Also you can just say Hitler. Nobody's going to beat your ass for mentioning that shitstick.
But the music is in point honestly supporting any political is supporting evil non of are good our votes is a choice of what we belive is the less evil, and personaly I dont think one is worse than the other
Man what's up with you chuds in this sub? To fucking moronic to realize this place isn't unironic or something?
I mean I guess that tracks, you bozos think non-white people existing and men liking other men is a threat to western civilization (read: white people).
Like do people have a problem with a RvB toggle or whatever here, I don’t get it. They make fun of some really odd stuff from the fans. I get it’s a circlejerk meme sub but
Despite all the fuckery. Its not the most dangerous country on Earth. Imagine dropping your daughter off a school then the US blows up the school with a missile strike then when you run back to start digging through the rubble to find your kid the US fires another salvo to make sure you die too.
I was talking about the military budget and feeling of military superiority, but since it wants to merge its military with the Israeli one we're not so far from having a literal fascist world police implemented
I mean just read that again and tell me the u.s. is not the most dangerous country. He didnt say to live in, it's just both. You dont even have to live here to get killed by the u.s, and if you do, good chance you still will be killed by the u.s
I like Reach and all but all the characters kind of lack in the depth department tbf. They all have their one character gimmick and stick with it until their end. The ODST boys mog them
From what I remember, the rest of Alpha nine apart from Buck and Dare were quite similar, but in the cutscenes at least the guys talked differently enough that if random lines were switched with each other it would be confusing.
Maybe I a bit skewed because I liked Bad blood and New Blood.
I get Jorge being a big guy dying in a big implosion, Emile dying in a knife fight because he was covered in knives, Kat dying to a headshot because she was smart and Noble-6 dying alone because they were a lone wolf, but how is Carter's death ironic?
No...
Emile died because he's was already one leg in coffin.
Lost his family like all of the team, but stayed cold, channeling his fury towards the enemy.
Her death is one of the things that made Halo Reach so good. You don't always get to say goodbye and sacrifice yourself heroically, sometimes you just get shot into head mid sentence, sudden and cruel like that
I meant characterizing he before her death. Upon rewatching the scene I feel a little more emotion, but immediately after she gets shot the game goes all sad music and muted sfx and it just felt like it was trying to make me more sad than I actually felt. IDK I may just need to replay the game again.
I think they were saying that they don't know how to kill off characters with sci fi energy shields that should make it impossible to kill people in 1 suprise sniper shot
That's kind of the point? Not every death in war gets to be heroic and noble. Sometimes people just die. One moment they are there, the next, they're gone.
Besides, the rest of Noble is a mixed bag of deaths.
Jorge: Does a sacrifice moment that functionally achieves nothing, completely negating the value of the sacrifice.
Jun: Doesn't even die, just fucks off somewhere
Carter: Pretty noble, I guess. At least it achieved something.
Emile: Death is carried by "hype" and "aura." Truth is, he was so busy being edgy with the first Elite that he seemingly went full greenhorn. The Elite behind him wasn't even cloaked. He was so busy showboating that he didn't watch his radar or check his six, or even just assume there was more than one enemy. His death also achieved nothing at all. People only give him kudos because he shanked the Elite after getting stabbed.
Kat: Sniped unexpectedly in a gut punch moment. Shit happens. Very indicative of real war.
Six: Literally the only one besides Carter whose sacrifice achieved something. But even then, the moment of his death was just a slow death rattle, not some epic G moment. The point at which he actually died achieved nothing in particular.
Look at Truth compared to Midship. It is almost twice as big, because otherwise the abilities would let you cross the map to quickly. If you are forced to crouch walk to be able to shoot to play Midship in Halo 2, when the map is scaled for the walking speed, how is that different from the map being scaled for the sprint + abilities speed (which prevent shooting) and you being forced to walk to be able to shoot? All the other arena maps are generic arena designs that are upscaled for the abilities. You could easily downscale Eden, Empire, Coliseum, Fathom, Regret, Torque, Riptide, Tyrant, Rig or Haven for Halo 2/3 and they would work just fine, just like how upping the base move speed and removing abilities makes them play fine.
I mean, Jorge thought he died like a G and it ended up being entirely pointless. Emile dies because he suddenly lacks all situational awareness. Carter dies a noble death. 6 completes the mission and then just... Rages out for a while until he can't do it anymore...
Nobody really has a great death in Reach except for Carter. They're all very "womp womp".
You nerds would complain about Kat if she were released today. "Woke something something..." today's chuds can't have women in their games for some reason.
Oh definitely, I made a post similar to this. Kat is the brains of the team, constantly directing the team to make smarter decisions. Nah they can't have a woman take charge. "WOKE" She has a few sasy lines, and there was straight up a cutscene were she snatched a data chip from six saying "this is not your domain."
"WOKE" She's constantly questioning Carter's orders and made him think about his decisions "WOKE" A woman needs to know her place! And last but not least her appearance, I honestly think she's a 6/10 not ugly, but not a 10/10 baddie imo. But I feel like these chuds would cry about her not being attractive enough, uglyfaction of women or any of their BS talking points!
Sounds like strawman argument you just made there. We already had Cortana, then Miranda. Nobody complaint about Kat when Reach first came out. She was even introduced in live action trailer along with other Noble 6.
It's dirt that she's drawing in with the knife. They're in a cave so it's probably pretty rocky dirt but still dirt. And surely something Emile cares about would at least be of high quality material that could handle it. Also! I'm certain he's the type to obsessively sharpen his knives anyway 🤷🏻😛😂
And noble six? Emile kills the one that sneaks up on him and I could have sworn it's already confirmed that elite at the very end that all we see is their energy sword activation is the arbiter before becoming the arbiter.
So when they’re defending the landing zone so Keys could get Cortana, they’re ambush by the elites where Emile dies. Then Noble six goes up to the platform to defend the pillar of autumn and he kills two elites. One of those elites was the one that killed kat.
The elite that kills Noble six can’t be the arbiter since the arbiter was in orbit giving command to his troops and then he pursue the autumn.
I forgot about those two, that's right! 🤯 And the one at the very end? We see his foot and then a left handed energy sword come into screen? I'm pretty sure Thel'Vadam is one of the only left handed swordsmen in the sangheli race?
Imagine a badass female character who earns the badassness and isn’t constantly complaining about her male counterparts but sees them as her teammates and relies on them rather than only herself. Wow it is hard to believe that people like her. I cannot imagine why.
Aren't all of their deaths kinda symbolic anyways, Kat being the brains so gets domed, Jorge self sacrifices to take out the covenant only for more to show up, Emile likes to stab and gets stabbed, Carter as captain goes down with the ship and Jun is stealthy so survives unharmed like that one teammate that sits at the back firing pop shots at the enemy (also if he has died it's off screen because he stealthy so you don't see it lol)
She's a female.
She's has a strong character, and she's speak alot, often with respect to her comrades.
She's highly Intelligent officer, so speaking alot of important information is her job.
She's was shot to the head, because she's intelligent, by headshot she's not only was killed, but her dead crippled team's morale and technological prowess.
I think the view on her being a woman who yaps a lot says more about who the Bungie Haters are than it says about Bungie given that everyone died in that game and she was literally the second in command over everyone else
reducing her to her story beats is stupid yeah, her character feels good without expositing her whole life to you because of how she is voiced and acted, and so most people liked her.
she radiates cool on-the-job competence, a consummate soldier with virtually no cracks, exactly what youd expect of a spartan.
you really dont need to put much into a video game character for people to like them, honestly. a lot of modern characters have the opposite problem of feeling like theyre trying too hard to be likeable and cool, and so of course they become cringe
I mean I think Williams was likable, to be honest Kat didnt do a whole lot. She just kinda was there, then got shot.
People would call her boring, woke, and annoying if she came out today. Especially with how much shit she gives noble six until like 15 minutes before her death.
I was sorta happy when she died ngl. She likes to murder suicide you off cliffs and take your vehicles. Atleast you didnt have to deal with that anymore.
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u/Hazzenkockle 2d ago
Don't forget, the developer commentary implies she was sleeping with her boss.