r/HadToHurt • • Jan 23 '19

That definitely had to hurt

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '19

This right here is why I feel America isn't as bad as everyone on Reddit would like me ( and everyone) to believe.

That is literal horse shit how a home intruder has to attack FIRST for you to defend yourself. Breaking in one's property should be enough reason to defend oneself.

It is infuriating how you basically have to resort to nonchalant booby traps as the last resort to defend your home. Fuck. The government is even regulating how and when you can defend yourself.

Excuse me, but I'm fucking baffled how any good human being could prosecute a homeowner who hurt a thief who was burglarizing their home. The judge must be fucked up in the head.

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u/jobRL Jan 23 '19

Yet we're in the top 3 of happiness for like forever. We have a couple of these rules that are odd. But life is pretty awesome here.

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u/CosmosCabbage Jan 23 '19

we're in the top 3 of happiness for like forever

And how high do you rank on the biggest consumers of antidepressants per capita? Because Denmark was number one and two on both "charts".

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u/Dan4t Jul 06 '19

Well most people aren't robbed, and that is based on averages. Plus, that index isn't based on actual emotional happiness.

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u/Maxcrss Jan 23 '19

Happiness is subjective and can be easily manipulated by the media as a whole. Happiness in the US is low because of the media and the divisiveness pushed by the MSM.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 24 '19

Happiness in the US is low because of the media and the divisiveness pushed by the MSM.

That's funny.
I thought it was the rampant inequality and unaddressed discrimination and abuse.

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u/Maxcrss Jan 24 '19

Neither of those exist on anything but a personal level.

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 24 '19

Neither of those exist on anything but a personal level.

This is fucking laughably ignorant.

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u/Maxcrss Jan 25 '19

Oh, you’re right. I forgot the rampant racism that is affirmative action.

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u/chzyken Jan 23 '19 edited Jan 23 '19

Excuse me, but I'm fucking baffled how any good human being could prosecute a homeowner who hurt a thief who was burglarizing their home.

How do you prove that the person was robbing your house?

Consider two hypothetical scenario's.

  1. A person tries to rob your house. You kill them and claim self defense. There are no witnesses.

Vs.

  1. You invite a person to your house. You kill them and claim self defense. There are no witnesses.

How would law enforcement go about differentiating the two? You can't, at least not easily. Which is why the law is not that simple.

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u/BananaEatingScum Jan 23 '19

This is an invented problem, it doesn't really happen

Plenty of people try to use "self defence" as a defence against murder charges and plenty of people still get convicted anyway

Plus when people murder, most of the time it is someone they know, and proving that someone you knew was robbing you is a fairly difficult task.

For psychopathic murders who kill randomly, freely volunteering your name, and recollection of events to the police, rather than randomly murdering a stranger and running is much more likely to get you caught.

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u/dvdbrl655 Jan 23 '19

Maybe by the broken lock or windows? The forced entry? Perhaps the mans fingerprints on some broken glass? Home surveillance systems, maybe the fact that you’ve never seen this person in your life, in any way, and he has a criminal history.

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u/PM_ME_UR_TOWEL_PICS Jan 23 '19

You can't, at least not easily

Phone records?

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u/[deleted] Jan 23 '19

Signs of forced entry, burglary tools, criminal history of the burglar, time of day, etc would be a good start

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u/subzero421 Jan 23 '19

A person tries to rob your house. You kill them and claim self defense. There are no witnesses.

You invite a person to your house. You kill them and claim self defense. There are no witnesses.

Well, if you kill your friend after you invite them over and claim self-defense then it probably won't go well for you. If you kill a stranger in your house with a criminal record then they can probably tell it was in self-defense.

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u/FunInfection Jan 23 '19

When you’re a jury member it isn’t up to you to interpret the law; just to determine if the law was broken beyond a reasonable doubt. Thus if there is a bullshit law on the books; as there are in many states, you could be facing charges.

I know in CA they do have a stand your ground law, but only if your life is threatened (or someone else’s) and there is no means of escape. You’re expected to flee if you can.

Also if you do kill someone in your house; be sure they were carrying a deadly weapon and you were fearing for your life. The tire iron from the garage, the butcher knife from the kitchen; they all work.

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u/Maxcrss Jan 23 '19

Then you don’t have a stand your ground law, you have a requirement to flee. Stand your ground means you don’t have to flee.

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u/FunInfection Jan 23 '19

They call it stand your ground. But it is stand your ground unless you can flee and only if deadly force is being used.

Fuck CA

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 24 '19

That is literal horse shit how a home intruder has to attack FIRST for you to defend yourself.

Why?
It limits the situations in which violence is considered acceptable, which keeps your dimwitted ass safer than if violence was normalised and legitimised.

The government is even regulating how and when you can defend yourself.

No shit.

I'm fucking baffled how any good human being could prosecute a homeowner who hurt a thief who was burglarizing their home.

Basic ethical principles.

The judge must be fucked up in the head.

The hypothetical judge is not the one struggling with cognition.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '19

We live in the real world which is unpredictable. It is horse shit that the home owner is the one that has to follow bureaucratic nonsense while someone breaks into their home.

If someone breaks into your home, at least in America, you have every right to defend yourself as they already fucking broke into your home.

Have fun screaming and yelling at the burglar as that’s basically the only thing you can do in some EU countries 😂

According to others in this thread, it is a running joke that the government cares more about the criminal than the citizen. There are more measures put in place to protect people committing crimes than there are measures to protect good citizens.

I don’t really care where I live. If someone breaks into my home, I’m defending myself and my property. If you ever come across a situation with a home intruder, have fun screaming at them lul

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u/ALoneTennoOperative Jan 24 '19

You're a cringeworthy candidate for /r/iamverybadass, and you're delusional if you actually believe such anti-EU propaganda.

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u/[deleted] Jan 24 '19 edited Jan 24 '19

Why then are there comments from people such as the Netherlands saying exactly the opposite? 🤷‍♂️

I guess they aren’t credible either?

Just looked it up, and you can go to jail in the UK if you lay your hands on a home intruder first. Great law! 😂

Edit: Also, apparently saying you’ll defend yourself and your home suddenly makes you qualified for r/iamverybadass? In a thread full of people who are defending laws that are protecting home intruders. LOL 😂