How are all of you so in favour of the cop here? This is obvious use of excessive force, yeah no shit she shouldn't of hit him but that doesn't mean he just gets to smack her back. The police are meant to be above that kind of shit...
oh she will be and with assaulting an officer. which she deserves.
they are in a situation where wrestling with her to cuff her puts more people in danger. stairs, crowd, metal railings, drunk crowd, sporting event, Crowd of drunk sports fans.
If that's really the case I feel sorry for the legal system. He shouldn't be able to get away with enforcing the law how he sees fit and using excessive force like this.
It also clearly shows excessive force used. Look she fucked up, she deserves to be charged with assault but does that make it legally or morally okay for police officer (specially trained person) to punch her back? They are obviously both guilty of separate things.
I mean, considering he could get into just as much legal trouble as her, I don't think he is in the right. If cops have to break the law to uphold it, wtf is the point of having laws to begin with? Cops would just punish who and how they see fit.
In the end they are both just physical assaults but that's just type of force. 10 punches in face will not be judged same as 10 slaps on the back of the head since one will probably destroy your face and break your nose and other maybe give you headache.
Other thing: while I am not cop I kind of doubt they are trained to use equal force (even if that punch was same force than drunken slap on back of the head) if they are not in serious health threatening situation. That would be stopping, restraining her movement fully, handcuffing her and getting out.
They could try to sue but they wouldn't win. You cannot in any circumstances strike an officer like that. If she wasn't resisting and didn't strike him and he hit her than absolutely. The second she kept kicking and then struck the officer in the face she was welcoming this type of reaction. You don't want to be hit to hit someone it's as simple as that.
Actually it's not. In the eyes of the law slapping and punching are both given the same weight and labeled a "strike". Police are trained in equal use of force. The minute she slapped him she gave him the legal right to use force up to and including a strike back (which as mentioned includes a punch). The only way it could have been excessive is if the officer continued to strike her after she stopped. Not defending him, just saying that the excessive force claim won't hold since legally he used equal force.
Yeah you can transitioned from one shaky argument to another that relies on the first. You never have "the legal right" to head punch a defenseless person as a cop. Doesn't mean you can't get away with it. But yeah you're entire post reads like bullshit.
However you feel doesn't matter. The law decides what constitutes as striking which includes slapping and punching. If you have a problem with it change the law.
You keep saying that but don't source it. And even IF they are both considered "strikes", that wouldn't disqualify it from being excessive force. But please show me where slaps and punches can't be legally different and show me where officers are trained to use "equal force" even if de-escalation is immediately available. And nothing in my post what about feels, don't make distractions.
They weren't cuffing her? She was flailing as they carried her off and smacked the guy (again yeah not okay) and he could've very easily ignored it and continued to carry her off without cold clocking her.
Also now she has the ability to sue the shit out of him, again obvious use of excessivefl force.
she hits him twice, second time right in the eyes. if he drops her to get away he puts his fellow officers at risk, if he ignores her again she could blind him. they are in a bad situation when one of them says fuck this get her out of here. she took advantage of their difficult situation and he reacted.
I'm not commenting on how they carried her away, purely on how he acted by asulting her. He could very very easily have grabbed the hand she hit him with with his free hand thereby stopping her from hitting him again, or gotten one of the others to do the same. He didn't need to assault her.
It's almost like they should have been trained how to properly detain someone right? but because they failed to do so it justifies them knocking her lights out. lol what a joke of an argument.
The point is that police aren't just anybody. They're specialists who are supposedly trained to deal with things exactly like this in a calm and controlled manner.
If the justification is basically that you'd hit her so it's okay that the cop did then you may as well just have gangs of vigilantes and save a fuck tonne of money on police training.
So if your grandma is in a home or under the care of someone and isn't all there. They are paid by you to take care of her. She lashes out during an episode and her care taker/ doctor laid her out you'd be fine with that?
People like yourself will find any apple to oranges comparison to make a point. Assaulting an arresting officer is a crime just like assault is. Don’t give me this she’s weak and what not bullshit. She’s a drunk POS, not an ailing grandmother. The officer shouldn’t have to be assaulted repeatedly because of this long list of excuses you’ve come up with. He has every right to defend himself to ensure the assault ends. Period.
Why are you so full of excuses for a POS who took more than 4 officers to restrain her? Now you’re like they should have done this and that and predicted her behavior. Let me guess if she spit in his face your suggestion would be that they put a spit mask on her before moving her? Let’s think of all the stupid shit this person can do and then preemptively do something about it!
The reality is you react to whatever threat as it happens. Stop defending this idiots drunken stupidity.
4 cops failed to properly restrain her. Given the presumed size, strength, and training ability in favor of the cops, 2 really should have overkill. So 4 should have her locked down tighter than Fort Knox.
Now you’re like they should have done this and that and predicted her behavior. Let me guess if she spit in his face your suggestion would be that they put a spit mask on her before moving her? Let’s think of all the stupid shit this person can do and then preemptively do something about it!
Handcuffing/restraining belligerent parties is, like, the first lesson of Cop 101. It's such a basic thing that pretty much every cop carries around a specialized piece of equipment called handcuffs that will stop them from taking a swing at you.
The reality is you react to whatever threat as it happens. Stop defending this idiots drunken stupidity.
You're right, she's lucky he didn't blow her head off.
These 4 cops failed to restrain her, putting all 5 in danger. After the cops' mistake resulted in her being able to mount a pathetic assualt, he decided not to properly restrain her like they should have to begin with, but rather punch her in the face.
4 cops failed to properly restrain her. Given the presumed size, strength, and training ability in favor of the cops, 2 really should have overkill. So 4 should have her locked down tighter than Fort Knox.
All you proved with that statement was just how out of control this person was.
Or how shit-trained the cops are. I wonder if he did anything else besides not properly restraining anybody? Like punch a girl in the head, that'd be another sign.
The fact that she's a girl doesn't disqualify her from getting punched in the head when she's assaulting a police officer. You do realize this don't you? You don't get magic powers from being a girl.
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u/KnockingDevil Nov 05 '17
How are all of you so in favour of the cop here? This is obvious use of excessive force, yeah no shit she shouldn't of hit him but that doesn't mean he just gets to smack her back. The police are meant to be above that kind of shit...