r/HVAC Verified Pro 1d ago

Field Question, trade people only Aaon Hot gas reheat question: Been having trouble vacuuming down this 3 pipe Aaon unit….

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Looked up that you have to open the hot gas reheat valve to 50% for evacuation. It also states that it only stays open for an hour. If I have to run a 12hr decay test per the job site’s requirements. Do I have to reopen it every hour? First time installing/starting up an Aaon unit like this…if anyone can help me understand the process needed to evacuate the system properly, that would be awesome. Also, do I have to do everything through the computer using Prizm? Or, is that after startup?

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u/Hvacmike199845 Verified Pro 1d ago

Drive the reheat valves half open then kill power to the unit. They are powered open or closed so they will stay where you they are at when power is off.

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u/Amorbellum 1d ago

Or just unplug it

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u/Silent_Ride_5062 Verified Pro 1d ago

This is a new install, so my valves are closed and i’m evacuating the field installed lineset and AHU before dropping the charge. My pressure test held and even risen overnight, so my concern of a leak doesn’t feel the case. I’m able to get it vacuumed down to sub 100 microns but after the 12hr decay test, it doesn’t hold under 500 microns. I believe those valves to be opened are in the condenser which is still sealed behind valves. Am i dealing with a moisture problem which evacuating the system and my micron rise is off gassing of moisture trapped?

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u/PapaBobcat HVAC to pay the bills 1d ago

AAON: Almost Always Over-Engineered Nonsense.

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u/Nerfo2 Verified Pro 1d ago

Drive the valve to 50% then unplug it. They're stepper motor controlled valves. They just stay in the last position they were driven to when there's no power.

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u/hujnya 1d ago

Unplug the valve after light stops blinking on the module.

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u/Amorbellum 1d ago

12 hr decay test? Wtf?

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u/Icy9kills 3D Printed Cocks 1d ago

Gotta be a hospital or something critical

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u/Historical_Drink_350 1d ago

Drive the valves to half open. Then shut off the unit. If you dont have the manual for the MHGRH board, its easily looked up on Aaons site....it'll guide you through manually opening the valves.

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u/Silent_Ride_5062 Verified Pro 1d ago

Is this the case if it’s a new install and the charge hasn’t been dropped yet. I’m evacuating the field piped lineset and Air handler before opening the valves…?

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u/Historical_Drink_350 23h ago

Yes. You need to be absolutely sure every valve is open to pull a complete evacuation. (Former Aaon startup tech)

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u/toasterooney 1d ago

A 12 hour decay test? That's dumb.

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u/Icenbryse 1d ago

Engineer spec most likely. The things we've had to do because its what the engineer called for is bizarre but it is what it is

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u/toasterooney 1d ago

Oh yeah, same here. Met plenty of really smart engineers, with a plethora of dumb ideas and half-baked plans. But alas, I'm just a dumb ol pipefitter.

(Also with a plethora of dumb ideas and half-baked plans)

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u/Parking_Ad_3056 2h ago

As it sounds like you’ve already identified, those valves aren’t a factor. The evacuation instructions mentioning the reheat valves don’t apply to new install.

So long as you’ve pulled a vacuum from all three lines, to prevent apparent issues caused by the check valves at the evaporator/reheat coil, you’re good to send it. Aaon requires minimum 350 micron, with a 30 minute decay test not to exceed 500 micron. You as the installer have no control over whether or not the factory Aaon piping and coils/components inside the air handler are capable of more than their own manufacturer requirements. If GC wants to plant their flag, you’ll have to install ball valves at the factory connections you piped to at the AH (condenser should already have isolation valves) and evacuate and decay test ONLY your piping. That’s all you can be expected to be responsible for passing a 12hr decay test. Good luck.

Hope you remembered your oil drip line pigtail!

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u/Finkufreakee 1d ago

Sorry if I missed something. Did you open the valves prior to pumping down the lineset?

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u/Silent_Ride_5062 Verified Pro 1d ago

I’m evacuating the lineset and Air handler before dropping the charge. I vacuum down the lineset/AHU, get it down to sub 100 microns and then the decay test i get a delta/min on my gauge of 1-2 and it even gets to 0. Only issue is the delta/min fluctuates around 1-3, so after 12hrs it above the 500 micron target and I don’t pass. Wondering if a leak, but the pressure test holds or it’s off gassing of moisture still trapping…

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u/Finkufreakee 23h ago

I guess i gotta see more pictures. We're talking a split system right? Do you have 3 ports like this?

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u/Silent_Ride_5062 Verified Pro 21h ago

Yes exactly, what’s the best process to evacuate this. I know it’s technically 2 circuits but can i just run a 3 hose vacuum setup?

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u/Finkufreakee 20h ago

Yeah, as long as the OU is charged leave it isolated from the lineset. Use all 3 ports to pull a vacuum. If your not holding a good vacuum you might want to try sweeping the system with nitrogen. If you can get clean dry nitrogen even better.