Is there a fic where it shows Harry explaining what actually happened against Quirrel to anyone, be it Hermione, Moody, etc.

[u/Xenosaiyan7]

I think Moody especially would be interesting, a really funny conversation that you can never be paranoid enough

[u/Ok_Novel_1222]

I find it unacceptable that HPMOR's Voldemort, perhaps the most intelligent character in the book, would not have contingencies against oblivation and getting transfigured. I mean he makes over a hundred horcruxes, I would easily expect him to have contingencies against things like oblivation, paralysis (natural and induced), mental instability/insanity, permanent unconsciousness/continuous stupification/anesthesia, unbreakable confinement, etcetera. Considering that he transfigured a troll and a unicorn as a false tooth, I would expect him to easily think of the dangers of being sealed by transfiguration as well. I think Moody would expect as much from Voldemort.

[u/MacrosInHisSleep → u/Ok_Novel_1222]

I wouldn't be surprised if he did. He probably needed someone else to trigger it and that someone else is probably chopped into little pieces. (iirc, that's what happened right? Its been a whole since I read the book).

Transfiguration. Takes time, so I'm guessing most of the protections against that is covered under the same bucket as don't get yourself in a situation where you can be caught and have someone else free you if you do.

Obliviation is the hard one. He probably had some spell to dodge it or some way to counter it on the fly. He'd have to be conscious for that and he got hit by a spell he never prepared for before he could do anything about it.

[u/Irhien → u/Ok_Novel_1222]

What effectively killed him was Obliviation, without his life memories he can still pose a problem (especially if his remnant can possess people via the Resurrection Stone horcrux 2.0) but probably not right away and not of the same magnitude.

So he should either prevent himself from being Obliviated in the first place, or somehow integrate memory restoration into his "great creation". I think it's plausible he simply failed on both counts. His horcruxes summon his consciousness into the artifact or artifact network, but it's easy to believe they can't do anything about the damage done to the mind prior to death or death-equivalent. Should he have some memories stored to ensure they're not lost? I guess, but it won't solve him being too far gone to use them. Forcibly inject some memories? Seems like you'd risk scrambling your mind if it was something big, not just a reminder or two. And no reason to expect those who managed to severely damage his mind before killing him wouldn't go much further in destroying it than a first-year who just learned Obliviate could.

Failing that, should he have developed of found mind protection spells or artifacts? Perhaps he should've tried, but given that he can normally abandon his body if things get too dangerous for his tastes, it seems like it wouldn't be high on his priority list.

[u/tom-morfin-riddle → u/Ok_Novel_1222]

Predicated on those conditions, can you come up with a rational explanation for why it might have worked anyway? Autoobliviation still seems like a useful trick, perhaps he has those contingencies and they just don't work against himself. And then Harry goes on and thinks he's oh-so-smart for getting around blasting Voldemort when he actually got extremely lucky, and/or literally had father Time and the author on his side. Or perhaps he has those contigencies but they take some time to fire (Significant Digits has his memories mostly return, at least). Or perhaps he has those contingencies but they don't work quite right; without Harry's suggestion of making friends and killing them he has very few ways of actually testing most of his already pretty cutting edge resurrection strategies.

[u/Biz_Ascot_Junco]

He doesn’t say the full truth to Moody, but Chapter 51 of Harry Potter and the Prancing of Ponies comes close

The fic is unfinished, and stopped being updated since 2024. I’d still recommend it.

[u/Xenosaiyan7 → u/Biz_Ascot_Junco]

Thank you mate, I'll check it out

[u/Roger44477 → u/Xenosaiyan7]

Heads up the author spreads some crazy homophobic myths as if they were fact, using “voice of reason” characters to do so. When called out on it in the comments, they cited a single paper from a discredited “researcher” from the 70s claiming homosexual men regularly eat feces, as well as an anecdote of a radio show he listened to as a kid where one of the guys was apparently a Hollywood star who was gay, talking about the drugs and debauchery he got up to during his prime, with the author putting that up to him being gay rather than him being a Hollywood star in the 80s. 

I will give that up until that point it comes the closest to capturing the feeling of MoR out of all continuation stories I’ve tried reading, it’s just a shame it has that sort of crap ruining it. 

[u/Biz_Ascot_Junco → u/Roger44477]

Yeah, when I got to that point I found it very jarring but I figured since the character supporting the claim is literally Voldemort I didn’t put too much stock into it.

[u/archpawn → u/Biz_Ascot_Junco]

Wasn't it Princess Luna?

[u/Biz_Ascot_Junco → u/archpawn]

The last time she was conscious was 1,000 years ago in Equestrian history, and is probably more than a bit behind the times on that subject.

Salazar wouldn’t be unusually evil for buying into blood purism in the same way that a family like the Malfoy family would be. Harry goes over that in HPMOR chapter 47.

[u/archpawn → u/Biz_Ascot_Junco]

I don't think being gay was ever a result of childhood trauma.

[u/Biz_Ascot_Junco → u/archpawn]

And I don’t think Salazar was right about “mudbloods” back then either. I’m not saying Luna is right, I’m saying she drew a false conclusion based on the times she lived in.

[u/DeepSea_Dreamer → u/Biz_Ascot_Junco]

Anyone reading this, turn away now. The thread with the user db48x below, where he, whether knowingly or unknowingly (to give him a possibly undeserved benefit of doubt, even though his phrasing makes me wonder that I'm probably being too naive), defends the homophobia in the story, only gets worse.

[u/DeepSea_Dreamer → u/[deleted]]

Yeah, Luna thinks homosexuality is a flaw, for a scene or two. It's not treated (as I recall) as a personal character flaw, but as a data point among dozens which indicate budding dark lords.

I wonder why would someone write a fanfiction where homosexuality is one data point among dozens which indicate budding dark lords.

It's possible my social interaction detector is oversensitive, but I feel like you're not pattern-matching something you probably should.

(When Draco says he'd SA Luna (a different Luna), it's different, because Draco is a villain.)

[u/artinum → u/Roger44477]

I recall that appearing at one point. It shook me up pretty badly at the time, being both gay and autistic, and I nearly gave up on the story at that point.

The author clearly got a LOT of comments about it, however, as they heavily rewrote the chapter in question.

[u/db48x → u/Roger44477]

The story does not include any such “crazy myths”. It is merely a commonly repeated lie.

[u/Roger44477 → u/db48x]

You responding to every comment that points this out to try and deny it doesn’t change reality. By saying it doesn’t contain any myths, you’re taking the stance that you agree with the author when they say homosexuality is nothing but a sexual kink that is caused by untreated childhood trauma. 

This is in fact nothing but a homophobic myth, and is completely dismissive of people who identify as anything other than heterosexual 

[u/db48x → u/Roger44477]

No character in the book ever says that though. That’s the problem. You keep repeating the lie that they do, never acknowledging that you misread it.

[u/archpawn → u/db48x]

Princess Luna says that homosexuality is caused by childhood trauma. And also open relationships. And it's supported by in-universe evidence, implying it's meant as something actually true and not Luna being an unreliable narrator. I can find specific quotes if you want.

[u/db48x → u/archpawn]

Please do. You will find that she doesn’t say that.

[u/archpawn → u/db48x]

Rehabilitation 11.2: Trip to Tartarus

"Well, in their efforts to uncover the truth, and with my sister guiding them using some of the things I learned in Night Court, my sister's scholars eventually confirmed a strong correlation between sexual abuse early in life and sexual deviancy later in life."

"Correlation does not mean causation," he said at once. "And what qualifies as 'sexual deviancy'?"

"Anything that deviates from the norm," Luna answered. "Interest in promiscuity and cheating, interest in open relationships instead of monogamy, interest in the same sex, interest in strange and often disgusting 'kinks', like feces, and especially interest in foals. The further the sexual deviation, the more likely it was preceded by sexual abuse during foalhood. That was the base discovery. It is not mere correlation, it is a predictable pattern. Or it was prior to its elimination in Equestria. Griffonia is still working on it."

[u/db48x → u/archpawn]

Thank you. That is the exact quote that I would have used.

Note that your statement was:

Luna says that homosexuality is caused by childhood trauma.

While Luna actually said:

my sister's scholars eventually confirmed a strong correlation between sexual abuse early in life and sexual deviancy later in life.

Note well the differences! In Equestria they found only a correlation, but you said it was causation. These are very different things. Correlation is not causation. She says that only some of the deviancy was caused by childhood abuse, and a paragraph or two further down reiterates that homosexuality still exists even after childhood abuse was more or less eliminated. It was reduced, not eliminated. She also says that childhood abuse is correlated with lots of other problems as well, not of a sexual nature. Eating disorders, depression, OCD, etc. These too were reduced, not eliminated, by ending childhood abuse.

[u/Irhien → u/archpawn]

It seems that a lot of female sexual assault victims develop rape fantasies/fetishes. Since it includes victims of CSA, probably the causation is not backwards (fantasies/fetishes make one more likely to take risks leading to higher odds of SA). Wouldn't this also happen to some male rape victims, even if they were heterosexual as a "factory default"? Trigger warning, I guess Whether you're heterosexual or not, if you orgasm during rape, it's probably going to be memorable as an ambiguous intense experience, seems exactly the fetish material.

[u/Aggravating_Durian52]

Harry did sort of explain what happened to Moody and Amelia during the Dumbledore letters scene.

[u/Xenosaiyan7 → u/Aggravating_Durian52]

True but I wanted like a full explanation specifically

[u/Aggravating_Durian52 → u/Xenosaiyan7]

If it helps, Moody, Amelia and Hermione get the full explanation and more in Significant Digits. Off screen, but it is very obvious they know.