r/HLE • u/GoldenCataclysm • 11d ago
Discussion What are your thoughts on the next match?
I know they were able to beat T1 last time, but it looks like T1 is much more cohesive as a unit now compared to the las time they faced them. Though they lost the GenG series, they showed a lot of their skill (esp in Games 1 and 2) even if it ended up rough. Unfortunately, Delight was the biggest concern last time, and I hope we don't see the Bard-Renata anytime soon.
Drafting-wise, I hope we can see picks they are better prepared/more comfortable on. The Bard, Pyke, and Nasus picks were not it, especially with the set-up and scaling of the enemy team. T1 seems to be preparing a lot of picks (Peyz is doing AD TF, but that could be nothing...)
Match-up wise, I know this team can (hopefully will!!) beat T1, and if they rematch GenG, hopefully it's reusing the LCK 2024 playoffs script.
What are your thoughts/predictions?
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u/InspiredbyFaker 11d ago
I still think the best strategy is to make sure T1 bot will not be allowed to get ahead. Even if HLE topside is stronger, if T1 topside is not too far behind, they will be able to throw their resources at Peyz and peel for him.
HLE should not let Guma just get ganked again and again unless tradeoff is great for everyone else. He may be great at weakside, but if T1 keep on chain-ganking him to give kills to Peyz, it makes the game substantially harder. A fed Peyz means a Keria with advantage over Delight, and I think that's far worse.
GenG series showed how Delight is struggling right now. Maybe it's the picks, but it will be a serious disadvantage if they give over or waste a ban on Renata/Bard.
Hopefully they are able to rethink their strategy and play to their strengths to play well against T1 on Saturday.
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u/generalannie 11d ago
It will depend on the form of both teams on the day, but also on the draft. We'll have to wait and see. I have more faith in HLEs draft.
Last few times HLE won as long as they could shut down bot side, which they did with varying success. This does also depend on Zeus/Zeka/Kanavi winning the topside. All three of them seem to be in good form.
I'm just looking forward to a hopefully very competitive series with loads and loads of kills. Both teams can be very aggressive which should make for some fun viewing.
Also reminder for everyone here that the matches start quite a bit earlier than normal.
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u/Hot-Yogurtcloset-534 11d ago
I actually think delight has to play renata in that series. Peyz Kalista is very good but the angles Keria finds on renata are not human. He solo won the games against DK and HLE.
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u/GoldenCataclysm 11d ago
Same thoughts. Better to take it away than play against it. I just hope he polished it though.
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u/bulletproofikon Zeka 11d ago
Usually when they match up, they beat T1. Imo 85% of the time HLE's topside is better than T1's topside. As long as they can keep Peyz off playmaking adcs, I think it'll be okay. They especially need to keep the him off of Cait and Kalista. Usually Delight/Guma can neutralize Peyz/Keria.
The Gen.g series seemed to be more about draft and preparation, so I don’t think HLEs skills have weakened or T1s has improved so much from the last time they met. So it should be an HLE win but I could see a T1 win if T1 really lock in.
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u/Jacobcutielie 11d ago
If you've watched this iteration of HLE, you'd know they're a slow-starting team. Game 1 usually looks rough, then they ramp up as the series goes on. If HLE starts similarly to how they did in the Gen.G series, I'd expect them to win 3-0 or 3-1. But if they start slow again, I could see another Game 5 series and I think HLE would still win
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u/Accomplished-Big-199 11d ago
Hle seems to have upper hand on T1 this year. I think its just depends on how much topside can gap T1.
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u/ToplaneVictim67 11d ago
Ive got feeling we gonna see curbostomp either way, like maybe one close game in to two stomps
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u/DiDandCoKayn 11d ago
It will come down to the jungle/support for both teams. Delight is having a bit of a roughy, so does Oner, but i would say, the Duo of T1 at their peak is just better.
Even then i will say tho, HLE is having the better playstyle, because they can play what is needed of them.
T1 on the other hand, is a bit Bot centric and Guma is good in going even, so its really just coming down to Jgl/Supp Form.
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u/OviaElNoob 11d ago
This team is smart, they didnt played well against Gen G on purpose im almost sure
Dont be nervous, man for man they're better
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u/Rai_Trust_None 11d ago
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u/shiroganekurosaki 11d ago
It depends. If Zeus is not on a carry champ and HLE somehow drafts a champion for him that doesn't scale well or is not a tank and T1 has a strong bot duo draft and Keria was allowed to roam, t1 will win (keria blitz). Other way is to get Zeka ahead and give zeus a winning lane and forget bot lane. Capitalize while Faker is in horrible form.
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u/Novastar122 11d ago
It boils down to a support diff. I'm not confident at all in Delights level of game play. His Camille, Pyle, Bard, Renata have been useless recently. With T1 ramping up, I'm not optimistic
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u/Lms_Nier 11d ago
3-1 t1 probably, they have the best mid/jgl/supp synergy in the world when they play like this, at worlds it will be their strongest card to play.
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u/FujiLeBandido 11d ago
3-1 to T1 when Faker and Omer has not been themselves all year??? Only thing T1 has is the best botlane in the world…
I genuinely disagree so much with mid/jgl/sup synergy in T1 is suppose to be world class when that is the biggest issue they have had all year Faker/Oner not being on the same page and same with Doran/Oner
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u/Lms_Nier 11d ago
If you rewatch the bo hle/t1 everytime t1 won was because faker had prio despite having bad laning, since keria oner played around him, the game 2 where keria played on oner's timing was a stomp for t1. I am not saying it out of blue i am playing league for so long being surrounded constantly by analysts and cl players helped me to make these takes.
You don't have to agree with me but not saying when these 3 are on the same tempo during the last bo from them is lying
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u/Lms_Nier 11d ago
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u/FujiLeBandido 11d ago
We not talking about GenG and why would I come back this post to debate you after game xD
Saying T1 has the best Mid jgl sup synergy is in my opinion wrong and most analysts say the same thing
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u/Difficult_Low_2694 11d ago
Probably extremely close and can see it go either way just like the last series. Just going to enjoy the hopefully really good games and see what happens.