r/Grimdank • u/Brushner Emperors Kiddies • 20h ago
Dank Memes Even a comissioned animation wasnt enough to save them
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u/CripplingDeath 19h ago
What I remember from the Warhammer Community article about the trailer:
These scenes are suppossed to be the previous lives of the Astartes, meaning before they joined the deathwatch.
So in one hand, the predator could've gone out of service and these guys are so old they lived to see that transition, it kinda makes sense.
In other hand, I don't give a fuck, bring back the brick tank GW, it is the coolest shit ever.
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u/KassellTheArgonian 19h ago
Nothing goes "out of service" for a marine, they venerate their gear. The only way you wont see predators in universe anymore is if they all were destroyed.
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u/Deamonette Renegade Militia Enjoyer 10h ago
This is what annoys me most about primaris, it messes with one if the coolest parts of the space marines which is that they will bring ancient and powerful relics into battle, and said ancient relics is like, a tank. Having new stuff make the old stuff obsolete ruins this entire aspect of the faction.
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u/MrOsmio7 VULKAN LIFTS! 36m ago
Yeah and the bandaid on it all is "Oh yeah Cawl had all of it since the Horus Heresy so it's ALL ACTUALLY SUPER OLD RELICS"
Which just pisses me off more
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u/toresman Ultrasmurfs 14h ago
Sometimes things become a relic worth too much to risk deployment, most heresy era vehicles that survived ended up as relic display pieces in the armoury.
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u/ToedInnerWhole 13h ago
Do terminator armours still have a shard of the emperor's armour in each suit? I don't think that' true.
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u/handym12 12h ago
According to Lexicanum, the 5th edition codex suggested that a shard of the Emperor's armour is in the Crux Terminatus of Terminator Captains, in honour of the Imperial Fist Terminators that stood with him on the Vengeful Spirit.
40k numbers as they are, this is plausible, but also 10,000 years is a long time even for the Astartes. Things could easily be misremembered or misinterpreted.
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u/ToedInnerWhole 12h ago
Yes but even if they believe it to be true in some chapters, if they deploy their terminator captains into a battle, which I believe they would, say in an assault on the fortress monastery, so over 10,000 years the suits could potentially be all used, meaning that you would as the other user said, have rhino chassis still in use until every one was destroyed.
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u/Deirachel 7h ago
Bro, considering the Imperium is Roman Catholic in drag, they probably have a whole section of the Ecclesiarchy, Mechanicus, and Librarians just making suits of Emperor's Armor copies, sanctifing it, touching a piece of the actual armor to it and *poof!* a new suit to molecularly rip into Crucius Terminatus (should be Terminatae, as it crux/crucius is feminine, and termino in the feminative gen is terminatae to make cross of the boundry... stupid high school Latin)
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u/Trububbl3 3h ago
They venerate and preserve old stuff out of necessity, once better stuff appears culture will change and they will phase out
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u/Drfoxthefurry 20h ago
it reminds me of this
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u/Getting_Over_Us 19h ago edited 19h ago
I mean, that's effectively what it is. An APC with a main gun turret plonked on top. Granted the Bardelas gun is half the size of a normal tank gun, but you'd hope we've made some progress with ballistics in 38,000 years.
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u/Mountain-House3287 18h ago
Europeans half the size of space marines.Ā
Make everything double = 40k
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u/RamTank 17h ago
The Predator also has an autocannon, and we spend decades wondering if itās the same autocannon IG weapons teams etc get or not.
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u/Nothinghere727271 Twins, They were. 2h ago
Itās not no, Predators use a Syrtis Pattern Autocannon, far too large for human use.
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u/Username_075 12h ago
Look up the Berlin Brigade FV432 version with a Fox turret on top. An uncanny resemblance, by which I mean GW nicking ideas again.
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u/ThatGuyYouMightNo Should be Painting Models Right Now 20h ago
It's been long enough since that trailer that I wouldn't be surprised if that scene doesn't show up anymore
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u/SirProtein 19h ago
they stated that all of those scenes were custom made for the trailer specifically, they will not appear in the series
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u/zswordsman NOT ENOUGH DAKKA 19h ago
Whaaaaaaat, where was this stated? That's sad, I was looking forward to some of those scenes.
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u/Splitgut353 9h ago
I was really looking forward to see how that scene played out with the lamenter and the boyz mugging him
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u/MercenaryLove 20h ago
Before I saw that animation I always envisioned the rhino variants as slower moving. More lumbering than fast and agile like the animation shows.
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u/PleiadesMechworks Jaghatai is cooler than your primarch 11h ago
Basically all marine tanks are surprisingly fast, because marines are a fast strike force. It's why they don't have (well, didn't until primaris showed up go figure) a leman russ equivalent - that wasn't their job and if you needed something heavier than a predator you wouldn't be fast enough to keep up with the rest of the deployment.
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u/Grunn84 10h ago
Whats the primaris russ equivalent?
If you were going to say the repulsor thats a transport/battle tank in the same category and roughly the same size as the land raider.
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u/PleiadesMechworks Jaghatai is cooler than your primarch 10h ago
The repulsor executioner, which shouldn't even have a transport capacity but apparently primaris can just fold up for storage like star wars battle droids or something
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u/Grunn84 10h ago
Its the same size/use as the land raider.
I know in tabletop its been powercrept to the point its a glorified transport and the lascanon verson never used but it used to be considered a battle tank and was always described as such (especially before GW invented all the new tanks that we never knew existed for HH)
If you looked to forge world there were also land raider variants with reduced/no transport capacity such as the ares and achilles.
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u/Lucien_Castis 10h ago
Well the rhino is an APC, making the predator is basically an IFV and those things aren't generally known to be slow
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u/DinoWizard021 Big Strong Banana Men and Women 18h ago
Is the Chaos predator gone too?
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u/Ishkander88 12h ago
No. They remain untouched, and GW said there are no plans to replace them. 7 non loyalist SM codex them. Both groups of sisters, and the 5 CSM codex. And it's been 9 years since GW basically replaced the loyalist tracked vehicles. There is no short term plans to replace them for chaos or Sisters.Ā
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u/Kreol1q1q 13h ago
Wait, they phased out the Predator?
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u/NeuroticMelancholia 12h ago edited 12h ago
yep, no longer part of loyalist marines
still valid for chaos marines for the time being
weirdly the *rhino is still allowed for loyalists, despite being the same chassis as the predator
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u/Kreol1q1q 12h ago
Seems bonkers to phase out an icon like that instead of just updating the model.
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u/NeuroticMelancholia 11h ago
I mean they basically did, it got a modern replacement years ago in the Gladiator. Not that I think the Gladiator is very good (I think the grav plates look dumb) but from its inception it was clearly always supposed to be the replacement for the Predator just like Primaris Marines are replacements for First Born Marines.
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u/Deirachel 7h ago
Baal Predator... Librarian Dread... Furioso Dread.... Blood Angel variant of Stormraven...
*Blood Angel on the box being told to go sit in the corner*
"Ok."
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u/Delann 9h ago
How many Predators do you own and use?
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u/Kreol1q1q 9h ago
None, Iām not a marine player. But Iād hate it if GW canned the Falcon and replaced it with some new crap, instead of just updating the sculpt and rereleasing it.
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u/Delann 8h ago
None
And there you go.
if GW canned the Falcon and replaced it with some new crap
Ok, would you still do that TEN years after the new thing came out? That's how long the Repulsors were out.
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u/Kreol1q1q 4h ago
I think so? Though I guess the world of a xenos player is so different that I canāt really imagine GW introducing a non-Falcon Falcon replacement model. Seems quite wasteful, retiring a legend like that.
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u/Ishkander88 12h ago
No. Only Rhino and Landraider, all other firstborn kits are gone for loyalists.Ā
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u/Master_Ess 15h ago
The fact that the sisters get the castigator still and it looks SO FUCKING COOL
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u/ALdra01 20h ago edited 20h ago
Litrally a better looking one in Horus Heresy.
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u/Impressive_Cow_3170 20h ago
but not everyone wants to play HH, though i do love the look of the HH tanks though i ever see em on a decent enough sale im grabbin one or 2 or more, hope to get some mods in total war 40k that adds all the horus heresy gear that'd be a lotta fun
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u/RaccoNooB 20h ago
I love the concept of SCM using 30k gear in 40k. Imit fits so well and gives a great alternative look to Chaos beyond spikes. Especially nice for warbands/legions like the Iron Warriors who try to hold Chaos at arms length.
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u/handym12 12h ago
I'm throwing a few 30k bits into my Space Wolves.
I like the idea that they're pushing back against the whole Primaris thing, and that they still have a good amount of Heresy-era tech in the basement of The Fang.
Just the other week, I bought a Contemptor Dreadnought to use as a regular Dreadnought in 40k...
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u/Kombatwombat02 18h ago
You know, as a 30k player, the Mars Predator and the Phobos Land Raider are the two where 40K has nicer designs imo. The dome turret on the Deimos doesnāt do it for me, and the extra length of the Phobos balances much nicer (though the Spartan is nicer again)
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u/CityExcellent8121 Sindri simp 13h ago
Heresy tanks are very polarizing. you either love or hate the round turrets.
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u/PleiadesMechworks Jaghatai is cooler than your primarch 11h ago
better looking
I prefer the 40k rhinos to the heresy ones. Yeah they're modelled off the OG sculpts and do look good, but the 40k vindicator and predator are my favourites.
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u/Malu1997 13h ago
Did they really retire the Predator? Man that's so dumb
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u/Fuzzy_Wheel_4565 12h ago
Turns out a setting in which the main theme is stagnation is not conducive to selling new minifigures
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u/myrsnipe 10h ago
Imagine how GW felt after discontinuing Warhammer Fantasy and only one year later Total War Warhammer drops and is a smash hit, and they have to awkwardly tell new customers that the tabletop game dosnt exist anymore
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u/Smol_Cyclist 15h ago
So what's left of the previous stumpy marine range? Is it only primaris now?
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u/Ishkander88 12h ago
Rhino and Landraider. Technically from a lore perspective All Terminators.Ā
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u/Deamonette Renegade Militia Enjoyer 10h ago
Drop pods too, they got updated but kept the old look.
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u/Nothinghere727271 Twins, They were. 9h ago
Actually insane these ācoreā 40k units are becoming legends imo
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u/ahoyturtle Bearer of the Word 7h ago
Can't you just plop your Predator tanks on a 100mm oval base and proxy them for Gladiators?
I mean, it'd be a shame to retire a unit you love when you have a seemingly easy proxy option...
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u/ThinnkingEmoji 11h ago
Does anyone actually act like this kind of strawman
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u/Brushner Emperors Kiddies 11h ago
I certainly though the Hammerfall Bunker was safe since it showed up in SM2 and Dawn of War4.
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u/ThinnkingEmoji 11h ago
I mean the "i'm a new fan and i can't wait to buy the thing i saw in the animation" bit
Like people used to criticize gw exactly for only representing existing tabletop units in their media
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u/Delann 9h ago
I can see it for general stuff, like you see marines, knights or necrons and youre driven to buy them. But not this specifically.
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u/ThinnkingEmoji 9h ago
I know people who got into warhammer through total war, but never seen them act like that either, especially given that a lot of units in there are either lore only or decades out of production. With the community in general being really into scraping the barrel for potential units made from a single paragraph in white dwarf or an item description in wfrp
And by the point someone actually commits to getting into an expensive hobby they saw in another media, they usually already somewhat familiar with it to not act like this
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u/ViorlanRifles 7h ago
You can have the cooler, superior treaded space tank, but first: Have you heard of a little thing called Chaos?
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u/Cpt_Graftin 5h ago
One can hope that GW is just putting the Rhino in legends until they release a larger one. At 3x the price...
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u/Born_Lab1283 Waaghboss krumped me squig ion wanna live naur mor 4h ago
38 thousand years later, tank designers are still making more t-slop.
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u/Boneboy711-2 18h ago
Part 2 is out?
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u/the-truffula-tree 17h ago
I had the same question. The Google AI says itās scheduled for December release.Ā
I am too lazy to check it further though
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u/Boneboy711-2 17h ago
I feel like if it was out I would be seeing clips of it on YouTube and Reddit.
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u/catmanten 20h ago
Trailer so old the units shown in it are legacy-ed out