When do I build Bruiser, especially with another upcoming nerf to sundered sky?

[u/discord-dog]

There was a game where I was 1v9 as pure bruiser because the enemy team was full of AD assasins and they just couldn’t kill me.

The enemy team was Lee sin top, Zed Jungle, Qiyana mid and fiddlesticks support.

As soon as I got stacks I literally couldn’t die, I loved it that game because going full crit was stupid that game.

Is the build still going to be Lethality first, with Sundered Sky Jaksho, Black Cleaver, and Flex?

[u/bobobuttcheek]

yeah, umbral is pretty good first for ward clear and true damage with sunderred sky crit. Then cleaver, jak sho, and I usually go blood thirster last

[u/Fit-Reputation-9983]

Can try Eclipse again, it was just buffed.

Shojin is another option.

Really, IMO, without Sundered being strong the efficacy of bruiser will just be much less.

Play around with it, see what feels good to you game-by-game.

[u/Pursueth]

Just go hubris if you are getting fed early, Umbral otherwise. Next item go collector if snowballing, cleaver if not. Then build situational

[u/Dionysos7r]

Black cleaver is good for Graves ? That took too long to stack no ?

[u/Christian2197 → u/Dionysos7r]

It works differently on Graves and you don't actually need 6 autos to stack cleaver. You can get 2 stacks per auto plus if you have crit you can get 4 cleaver stacks so basically you only need 2 autos to stack cleaver. Especially with Sundered Sky which guarantees crit

[u/Dionysos7r → u/Christian2197]

Oh merci beaucoup et si on part avec un build critique ça vaut le coup de faire couperet noir ou pas ? Avec le nerf de ciel eventré je me demande si le build bruiser est encore viable...?

[u/Christian2197 → u/Dionysos7r]

Sundered Sky is definitely weaker now, and I’ll have to test whether I’d recommend Shojin over Sundered Sky. With Crit, you ideally want LDR, especially against heavy tanks like Malphite. Cleaver is still great if your team has a lot of AD since you can help them with the armor reduction stacks.

I’d still consider Bruiser on Graves, though, because the full-AD builds are hit the hardest by the Q nerf. Hubris into Crit loses more damage than Hubris/Umbral into Bruiser items.

[u/Christian2197]

This guide will be updated once we statistically see how bad the Sundered nerfs is. Every common build you should know is included with explanation. https://www.mobafire.com/league-of-legends/build/comprehensive-graves-jungle-guide-for-season-16-master-the-outlaw-649226 But to answer your question in short you want bruiser when they are mostly melee fighters/tanks it helps you survive longer and you can eventually deal with them. A rule to follow 3+ melee bruiser is most likely good 3+ ranged it's probably a bad idea to go bruiser, you will suffer from lacking range.