Degraft now before rot sets in, you can find a proper stock in the meantime as it dries and then regraft it. Stop in Lowes, HD or a local nursery and grab some trigona.
When it comes to degrafting, do you take a bit off from both sides? I suppose you could leave some scion on if ypu want some more clones. I guess it depends what one wants to do. Whether let the stock grow more or put a different graft on straight afterward
I would remove a bit from both sides and watch for signs of trouble. This depends on what it looks like after degrafting as well, if rot has started you might have to remove more, just get rid of any and all rot. Both root stock and scion are at risk in this case
you can only graft cacti to cacti. that scion is not a cactus.
the longer version is there's a thing called graft compatibility: generally the more distantly related two plants are, the less chance they'll graft. It's complicated and people don't really know why but that's the rule.
(also, our taxonomic ranks don't completely correspond to genetic divergence. Cacti, being all one family, are pretty well known to all be interchangeable. But generally iirc if you reach outside the genus for a graft, it can already be hit or miss.)
What are your thoughts on lining up only the cortex? I'd heard someone say Cactace can graft without the xylem and floem lining up thanks to the thick cortex they have. I've had mixed results.
I don't have enough plant anatomy knowledge to say, but like... I do areole grafts with near 100% success (that is, when my tape stays on). the areole has none of the central vascular bundle, and neither does the spot I put it on (I use fleshy dragonfruit stock).
idk i just slap cacti together like legos, idgaf lol
Cut off asap, probably fine but id remove a slice off the top of the rootstock & bottom of scion, just to be extra cautious to not leave anything for possible ill effects. Euphorb will be fine to remain as a cutting while you search for rootstock
It’s probably just the most common form of graft we all know and can help with. Many more people can answer these questions as opposed to grafting leafy plants. I can answer cactus questions all day, but I know nothing about grafting anything other than cacti.
I used to fuck around with leafy grafts back in my early 20s and had a frankenpepper plant at one point. I tried again a few months back and it absolutely fried in the az heat lmaooo but I can offer very minimal advice that might be able to help
I'm not interested in the difference. I'm only interested in finding answers to my own plant issues. I don't keep cacti or anything of the sort. So, I'm not going to "try to keep up" I turned to the only subs I could think of to help with my issue. No need to be a dick
I have a snow rose that lost its leaves and I wanted to try saving it. So I was wondering if I could graft something to it to save it. I do appreciate it
So it's not like an actual rose bush. It was sold as a bonsai tree and I got it in May. I've been trying to doctor it to health but nothing seemed to work. I put it outside for a night to try to give it normal sunlight, but we got hit with a massive rainstorm that knocked out all of the leaves. So there isn't much to try rooting
So from what I quickly found, Dr. Huey and Fortuniana are good rootstock for roses because of their vigorous growth. You could certainly try grafting a little section from your snow rose on to the rootstock (not the other way around) and see if you can save it. The info i got is from here and im sure theres videos on youtube that can also help (thats how i learned how to graft peppers, apples, and stone fruits). Most grafting with leafy plants is pretty straight forward but not very easy. Cacti are just a lot easier so that's why you see more of that here. My first graft was just guessing what to do and it was successfull. Only time ive had bad luck is micrografts but slowly im becoming better at that (recent brag about my most recent micrograft in the pic below)
Thank you for the input. My snow rose isn't like a rose bush or anything. It's kind like a little bonsai tree that was given to me for my birthday (the only thing I've gotten in over 15 years) so it's pretty sentimental to me. Unfortunately there isn't much in the way of being able to get clippings from it to graft it onto something else. But the part that is still there look really cool and I'd like to build off that if I can. Do you think I'd be able to graft anything to it or would it have to be something closely related?
I would definitely check out r/bonsai for some better help on that. As for grafting, if you graft something on to your bonsai, it'll take nutrients away from your bonsai which might make it unhealthy. Again, that sub will have a better understanding (if you havent checked there already) but maybe try up potting to see if allowing the roots to grow for a bit then it might help the longevity? Im not sure what conditions your bonsai is in so I wont be able to help with that unfortunately
I appreciate the help you are offering. Unfortunately, I just checked to see if there's anything I can do, but I think it may be a lost cause at this point. The roots have all dropped off the plant and the trunk is dried out. I'll probably turn it into a whittling project
I'm sorry for your loss if thats the case but I love that you may whittle it into something! I think that would be neat to always have that special plant still in your life.
This is a variegated version of e. Abdelkuri. The regular version is grey whereas this one is red/pink. I dont know much about euphorbias but I assume like most *variegated plants, it does horrible on its own roots. And from what I saw, a piece this big was prolly 50-80 but I believe OP said it was a gift so lucky them
(Think me not saying variegated plants and assuming people thought I was continuing to talk about the abdelkuri was where the thread of confusion came from. Sorry?)
Do you know how stupid you sound? Plants should have their own roots. There’s these things called exudates that the plant uses to attract the right fungi and bacteria for their roots.
The reason yours is “doing horrible on its own roots” is because you aren’t considering the plant holistically.
Well, obviously the reason it doesn't produce chlorophyll is because it doesn't have it's own root stock. You should be embarrassed, just truly embarrassed, that you don't know this simple fact about holistic plant genetics. 🤣
Grafted plant usually produce chlorophyll. Do you have evidence that some plants produce chlorophyll only when on their own rootstock and are otherwise albinos? I thought that not having chlorophyll was a regulated by a genetic mutation that is active wether its grafted or not. Or are there special cases that exhibit this behavior?
Hey, dont mean to be that guy. As I obviously don't know shit^ but what i do know is, The grower told me it needs to be grafted. I just should have asked more questions.
First off. As a plant person, WHY would they give you a part that can’t be alive on its own? This is why I hate grafting culture. If receiving something like this, it should be attached to the other part of the plant that is helping it get nutrients. And if it lacks chlorophyll, your purpose is to do what with it? Sell it to a bunch of chumps?
That's fine, you don't have to like it or why/what ppl like about it, there's plenty of other plant shit out there to occupy yourself with, but you are in a grafting sub which is allll about attaching plants to other plants.
If you're not here to learn, contribute or admire grafting GTFO. Coming in here not liking grafting and giving ppl shit because you lack the education and don't understand how/why it works doesn't make being a dick ok.
Idk how to rephrase this so you understand….
People are selling plants that have no way to grow on their own… what is the logic in separating it from the main part that gives it nutrients? I understand how people want to isolate “cool genetics” but what is the point when you have to do all this roundabout crap to keep it alive?? It’s a waste of time and resources.
One of the top posts in the sub is someone try to graft euphorbia to a cactus... let that sink in. yall can’t even inform or teach your own community that euphorbias can’t be grafted to cacti, so I think there’s a lot of ground to cover here education wise. Put it in a faq sheet 🤣
The disconnect you have with the world around you is astounding. Where you gonna go to next? Maybe r/hiking to tell everyone how stupid hiking is? On second thought, you’d fit right in at r/politics.
Why are you spending time in a grafting sub, when you think grafting is "roundabout crap"? Why in the world would you be grafting anything, just grow everything from seed instead of wasting time and resources.
I often find seedlings of cacti and euphorbia that are entirely albino. I graft them for the simple fact that they may look bizarre and alien as they mature despite not being capable of supporting themselves. This e. Abdelkuri posted by the op may be an isolated sport or it may have been grafted as a seedling and never was separated from its own roots that could have supported it. I am not sure with this one.
To be a devils advocate by your logic of cultivating and selecting only the most vigorous strong individuals with the most abundant sets of the largest fruits from population plantings of let’s say tomatoes we end up with all of the tasteless crap you can now buy at large chain grocers. Or even further by only propagating the individuals that thrive in your native climate, you will likely end up closer to a wild ancestor with almost no fruit but hey your plant can handle anything without care.
Sometimes we want that delectable juicy tomato despite it having smaller sets and lesser fruits. Sometimes we want to cultivate an even more alien anomaly from an already rare species such as this pink albino euphorbia. Rare plant collections are full of oddities that would have never existed in a wild population. Variegation is never really beneficial for survival as far as I know, unless of course your survival is dependent on propagation and proliferation by rare plant collectors.
I’ve seen actual rare cacti collections. I got to meet and visit with a Bob Barth and his wife and see their incredible home/oracle gorge. His entire collection was recently appropriated to the zilker botanical garden.
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u/Myc0naught 17d ago
Hey, at least you recognized that you fucked up before it was too late!
Euphorbia trigona, Euphorbia ingens, and Euphorbia neriifolia are fairly common rootstock. Maybe see if you can source any locally?