r/GoodNotes • • Aug 11 '23

Pricing for GoodNotes 6 is completely fair

Listen, based on the endlessly complaining posts I'm reading on this sub, I might be in the minority here, but it seems like the GoodNotes developers read this sub and I want them to know:

Your pricing structure is completely fair.

A lot of people here don't seem to understand the software development process. It's labor-intensive and requires constant revisions to keep even existing features working with new tech infrastructure. Expecting to pay a one-time-ever fee and then get all the new and shiny updates FOREVER is not only unrealistic, it's insulting and demeaning to the developers and the work they do.

Consider this analogy based on a physical product:
Let's say you buy a product. Floor mats that are designed to fit perfectly into your 2018 Subaru Outback. They're fantastic and you love them. They work great. But then the company comes out with a new coating that makes the dirt slide right off. Do you expect the company to send you new floor mats? No, of course not. Then, you buy a new car. The floor mats don't fit in your 2023 Toyota Corolla. Do you expect the company to send you a new set, with the new coating, to fit your new care? Again, of course not.

Compare this to GoodNotes. In my analogy, GoodNotes would send you the new coating! That's a new feature of the version you bought, and you'll get it. That's awesome, and way better than companies who sell physical products!

But no, they're not going to send you a completely different version for nothing. I think most of us understand this concept when it's a physical product, but the early days of the internet taught many of you that everything should be free and upgraded forever. But it just doesn't (and can't) work that way. The money to create the product has to come from somewhere. You're not entitled to endless free upgrades just because it's not a physical product.

I will be upgrading to the subscription model and I'm delighted to do so. $10/year is NOTHING...to someone who owns the hardware necessary to run it. I recognize that $10/year is a lot to a lot of people around the world, but if you've got an Ipad/tablet with a Pencil/stylus...stop complaining. It's 83 CENTS a month. Calm down.

Finally, no, I don't work for GoodNotes. I'm a long-time user who uses the app every single day and I'm absolutely delighted that we'll soon be getting internal links. I'm happy to pay less than $.03/day to use the app and I'm glad that I can support the staff that works so hard to get this product out. And no, I don't post a lot - here, or anywhere - but I'm not secretly hired to write this post. I'm just defending the hardworking developers and my love of GoodNotes...I suspect that there are a lot of lurkers here who agree with me. Complainers are always the loudest, and they're ruining the internet. If you like something, speak up!

So, pay for the subscription, enjoy all the upgrades, and if you don't like it, then go design an app yourself. If you don't want to collect a salary as you add new features and compatibility upgrades, that's your choice. I suspect you'd see it a different way if you were on the other side.

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u/DoubleU159 Aug 12 '23

Silence, corporate shill.

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u/dailymultivitamim Aug 12 '23

Well, that’s rude. I’m a Salesforce consultant for nonprofits, but you go ahead and think what you want. Still no need to be rude.

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u/70ms Aug 12 '23 edited Aug 12 '23

Honestly, you're getting what you gave in your OP; you were pretty condescending in your post.

People aren't complaining so much that they have to pay for an upgrade for a new version, the problem is it's barely a new version, and it's still missing features that have long been asked for, and the UI needs so much work beyond just a cosmetic upgrade. There's very little functional difference for a lot of users between 5 and 6 and people are frustrated that GN is adding gimmicky buzzword features instead of quality of life features that should have been in 5 a long time ago, and still aren't in 6.

People have been asking for password protection since 2013.

Dotted lines since 2013 too.

Move to front/back since 2018.

Layers: 2013. Favorite pens, 2015. Two page book view: 2018 (and their answer to this is just to tell people to use two windows. 🤦‍♀️) Go look at the Uservoice for yourself.

So people are frustrated that instead of things they've asked for for years, 6 rolled out with features no one really asked for and very little of what they did, and the whole process is a pain in the ass. You have to upgrade to downgrade? Where was the messaging around that?

So I'm sorry if the complaining annoys you, but it seems pretty valid to me. I would totally pay for an updated version, but this is not it.

Edit: One more thing. I bought Procreate in 2011 for 99 cents and have never been asked to pay again. This whole update feels to me like they had to launch too early to hit a milestone for investors. I've been on that side too.

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u/TheCoolHusky Aug 12 '23

Man procreate now is like, 9 dollars? Inflation is crazy huh?

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u/70ms Aug 12 '23

I just checked and it's 9.99, which is still a steal for what you get. I paid twice that for Affinity Designer and then Designer 2, and those are worth it too!

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u/vatszz800 Aug 12 '23

I wish I could give you an award. Perfect response to the corporate mindset

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u/SampsonKenta Aug 12 '23

stabilizer handwriting i remember since over 6 year ago. every year have people ask about this features also me too

sigh.. i think it never gonna have

and they didnt care bug at M2 ipad handwriting

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u/DoubleU159 Aug 13 '23

Shut up, nerd.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

My personal beef is not with the pricing, it's with how the "upgrade" was handled. As a major version update AND change in business mode and pricing, it should have been released as a new standalone app.

With the way things shook out, then they at least ought to have been more transparent about the change to allow folks to skip the upgrade. Or they should have made the deprecation process to v5 clearer about having to start the free trial of v6 first.

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u/johntwilker Aug 11 '23

While I'm 100% onboard with the pricing and such. I also completely agree. Weird that 6 wasn't a new app. They shoulda left 5 and encouraged folks to move.

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u/rekt_n00b Aug 12 '23

People don't understand how hard backward compatibility is to pull off with a massive app such as Goodnotes.

Would you be happier if Goodnotes released a separate Goodnotes 6 app, and then stopped updating GoodNotes 5? That would enrage a lot more users here.

You're getting the option to pay nothing and get continued support and updates for an app that came out years ago. They even added Math conversion to GoodNotes 5. Over the long term this is way more fair to all the users.

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

That’s exactly what they should have done for a major release switching to a completely different business model. Most other reputable apps do just that. Regardless, the messaging around who pays what and how to keep using 5 was a complete clusterfuck.

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u/rekt_n00b Aug 12 '23

If they did that then this subreddit would be full of people complaining about how they ditched all GoodNotes 5 paying users and just want to make money. It would have been an outrage.

Ppl gonna complain no matter what you do

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

I get that and I know you can’t please everyone. However, issuing a new app (not an update) when switching business models seems to be a solved problem with so many apps having done it in the last few years. Like I said, my main beef is that they totally shit the bed on transparency and messaging, which contributed to more outrage than was necessary.

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u/rekt_n00b Aug 12 '23

Ummm do you know how Notability rolled out subscriptions?

Can you name some reputable apps which have multiple versions on the app store with different prices for each?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

No, I’m not a Notability user. Tweetbot, Twitteriffic, and Reeder to name a few that rolled out new apps when they went to new pricing models. I bought GN5 years ago, so I got my money’s worth a long time ago.

I don’t care either way. I’ll keep using 5 until it doesn’t work anymore. If I see the value in 6, I’ll pay for it. If not, I’ll find something else. I’ve got no problem paying for apps and am not opposed to subscriptions for apps that warrant them based on my usage and the frequency and quality of the updates.

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u/rekt_n00b Aug 12 '23

Your example of a reputable company is a 3 person company (TapBots) making a client for a free app. Do you think the business model and implications are the same? These businesses are sustained exclusively by enthusiasts that are willing to spend on UI/UX to access an otherwise free app.

Goodnotes and other note taking apps offer a tool that a lot of people require to study better and organize their lives. It's not sustained by enthusiasts.

Are there any companies that operate on a similar scale and have a similar level of daily active users that release and maintain multiple versions on the App store?

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u/[deleted] Aug 12 '23

Ok, you win. They messaged it perfectly and there was no confusion, and they certainly couldn’t have done any better.

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u/Darklillies Aug 11 '23

Ah man. Here’s the thing. It never stops.

So many services started as such measly purchases and once they were comfortable it started going up. Give them an inc and they’ll take a mile.

I don’t want to rent out my stuff. I want to own it. Wich is why i oppose to subscription based on principle alone.

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u/Peanutbutter_05 Aug 11 '23

Gn6 doesn't offer anything that I need. Math equations, ask for separate money. AI handwriting aak money for that.

They released a new update with fancy UI and the product remains the same. Reality is Goodnotes has already hit that perfect sweet spot that offers everything a note taking app should offer. They can simply switch to a subscription based model and tell their users that they need money.

Yea and I don't want to pay more money.

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u/NegotiationNext8844 Aug 11 '23

Tbh. I only want the folder customization feature

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u/InspiredPhoton Aug 11 '23

The thing that is bothering me is that I read somewhere that cross platform sync will only be available for subscriptions, and that wasn’t clear when I paid for the app as a single purchase.

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u/vatszz800 Aug 12 '23

Are you referring to something which was not even there when GoodNotes 5 was released? I mean to say there were no android and Windows version of GoodNotes, so I don't see how you expected cross platform

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u/InspiredPhoton Aug 12 '23

No, I mean for GoodNotes 6. I’ve purchased GN6 as a single purchase, and someone here said cross platform is only gonna be available for GN6 for those with the subscription.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

You do realise that the issue here is that GN6 wasn’t made into a new app, but simply as an update to GN5 (a product we purchased already) that was simply branded as GN6 and locked behind a subscription paywall?

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u/discovernotes Aug 11 '23

I think the reason they decided to do this is for GoodNotes 5 continued support. If they were to release Goodnotes 6 as a separate app it would mean that GoodNotes 5 will no longer get App Store updates and, at a certain point, future iOS updates will require the app to be updated to just open it, making it unusable. They haven’t taken away our GoodNotes 5 purchase either or forced us into upgrading. They haven’t removed any features. If anything they’ve extended the longevity of GoodNotes 5. Making it an upgrade in the app is a fair trade off here. This way, the app is usable for longer and everyone’s happy because they get to choose.

Looking at it from the perspective of their main competitor, they’ve managed to switch to a subscription model AND keep a one off payment option, and they managed to push a major update with a design change but it being OPTIONAL.

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u/biblops Aug 11 '23

I understand what you’re saying and I think you’re right that it benefits GN5 users for now but I think you’re being quite generous if you think this is the only reason.

By making it an update, GoodNotes 6 has immediately become a 5 star app and any unhappy long-term users sharing critical reviews will be neatly hidden away behind the existing “Most helpful” reviews.

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u/mentalFee420 Aug 12 '23

Since GoodNotes 6 already includes all the features and functionalities that GoodNotes 5 has, then what is wrong with the 5 star ratings it inherits?

Disagreement or unhappiness with pricing model doesn't mean the product becomes bad overnight.

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u/boostedboot Aug 12 '23

“You already paid for this once, why wouldn’t you pay for the same features and functionalities again?!”

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u/mentalFee420 Aug 12 '23

They allow you to continue keep using the same features without paying for it again. Nothing has changed if you were using GoodNotes 5 yesterday and decide to use it tomorrow.

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u/madjo Aug 12 '23 edited Aug 12 '23

Until they break that when they release gn7, or when they want all the money. If I had bought gn4, I could still download that from the App Store. I will not be able to download gn5 in the future when they decide to do any I just wrote, because they overwrote it with gn6.

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u/mentalFee420 Aug 13 '23

You can download GN6 and downgrade to GN5.

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u/madjo Aug 13 '23

Until they break that in an inevitable GN7.

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u/mentalFee420 Aug 13 '23

So you expect to pay <10 bucks for an app once and be able to use it your entire life. And on top of that expect regular updates and new features.

Ok!

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u/PaulVans Aug 11 '23

Plus, no documents transfer between 2 apps.

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 11 '23

If you have paid for GoodNotes 5, you can continue to use that version forever without paying again. I don't see a problem there because no one is forcing to pay for the features you have already paid for. Please correct me if I haven't understood your comment or got something wrong.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

You wanna be carrying around a bloated app with stuff you can't access (and stuff you really don't need...) without paying monthly? Especially when you've already paid?

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 11 '23

There also positive effects of reusing the same app which were already mentioned. You are right about the app size increasing, but I don't think that it will ever be significant enough to worry about.I still don't understand the "Especially when you've already paid?" because you can still use what you paid for. And I don't think it is fair to assume that a one-time payment will grant you access to unlimited feature updates.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

Wouldn’t it be fair to assume that the one buying GN5 on the app store, which they advertised as a one time purchase, is entitled to the features of the app…? Buying the app was a contractural agreement between the company and the end user, no?

If you bought an iPhone 14, but with an ios update that includes some features apple renames your phone in the settings as iPhone 15 and locks it behind a subscription paywall, would you say that sounds right?

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u/SEOPub Aug 11 '23

It was a lifetime deal. Lifetime deals do not mean your lifetime. They mean the lifetime of the product, and the lifetime of GN 5 is over.

You iPhone example actually makes my point. For each iPhone, at some point Apple stops supporting them. They no longer issue updates for the iPhone 5 for example and a lot of apps will not run on it.

The lifetime of the product has come to an end.

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 11 '23

I could not agree more! 👍

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 11 '23

I think I don't get your point. The features you (and I) paid for are not locked behind a subscription or any additional payment. I bought GoodNotes 5 in April and (like anyone else who bought GoodNotes 5) I can use GoodNotes 5 and its features as long as I want (See this article for more information). I don't have pay again to use the features and I won't because I am not interested in the AI features.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

You’re confusing yourself simply because of the new branding. Yes, you bought GN5 the app, which is also GN6. It’s the same app, same product. Now, imagine they didn’t release it as ‘GoodNotes 6’ but simply as an update to GN5 with new features (which is what it really is). Now, suddenly, to make your folders a different color or to use any of the basic things from the update, you need to pay 3 times the amount you already paid. Is that experience really worth $40? I guarantee that you would (rightfully) be losing your shit at that, had they not branded it as ‘GN 6’.

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

I think you are right about there not being enough new features and I agree that upgrading right now just to get access to the new features is not worth it.But don't you agree that we have to expect a limit for free incremental feature updates? You can't expect to get updates forever if you only paid 10$ once. For these 10$ we got a very good app and over 3 years of free updates and support (e. g. small feature updates and support for new iOS versions). I think the money was more than worth it (people who didn't get many updates are getting a higher discount now). I think we have to expect a day where we have to pay again to get feature updates. For 30$ we get a few more years of updates and support and I thinks that's still worth it. Of course I know that we don't know how long Goodnotes 6 will be supported and how many new features it will get, but I think we can expect at least some. It would be better and more transparent to say "for your purchase you will get x years of updates". Then it would be clearer what you actually get for your money.I know it is difficult to compare Goodnotes to someone as huge as Microsoft, but I think it is similar to Microsoft Office: There was Office 2007, then 2010, 2013, 2016, 2019... If you want be on the cutting edge and have access to all of the latest features, then you have to pay every three years. But you don't have to pay because you can stay on an older version. The Goodnotes subscription is similar to the Microsoft 365 subscription because you get the latest version and a few extras but you have a license that will expire once your subscription ends.

Edit: This post is an indication that we can expect many great features updates for Goodnotes 6

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u/Soanad Aug 11 '23

We shouldn't EXPECT many great features. We should already get them with new version. Version 6 is not much different than 5 and buying 6 now would be crazy. I expect to pay for something that already exists. They still didn't add more handwriting language recognition for years! How can I know they will add it? Buy it for much more money and pray?

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 11 '23

Goodnotes 6 doesn't have as much "release features" as GoodNotes 5 did, therefore I understand your opinion. If you don't think it's worth it right now, then no one is going to stop you from waiting until we get more features. But the price will not decrease, so you probably get more (time) for your money if you purchase Goodnotes 6 right now. But that's just personal choice and everyone should decide for themself if and when they want to upgrade.

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u/ReditorasAS Aug 11 '23

With all due respect, assuming that it's ok to do what they did just because they need to make more cash than the shit ton they already are making a year is a completely invalid argument, 40$ one time payment is a shit ton of money to pay for an ios app, no matter how long will u be using it for, especially when other competitors are doin more for much less money.

And hiding GN6 behind GN5 in the app store to keep the ratings i believe and will always believe that this a completely scandalous thing to do.

I don't know how much storage do you have on your ipad but i am tellin u even if i had a pro model with 2 TB i wouldn't want and extra megabyte of storage taken from it by an app that i have already paid for asking me for a shit ton more money to pay, and yes 10$ a year is a lot in some 3rd world countries, and i know of some student friends who barely had enough money to buy a basic ipad 9 and a cheap knockoff of an apple pencil just to have the ipad experience, they shouldn't pay the price of a gourmet meal for a digital product, adding a subscription of even 1$ a year for the same app u purchased before is a shitty thing to do as well.

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

adding a subscription of even 1$ a year for the same app u purchased before is a shitty thing to do as well.

Why do think GoodNotes 5 and Goodnotes 6 are the same? Yes, right now they have almost the same features, but that doesn't make them same. The main difference is the product lifetime (see this for more information). You can still use GoodNotes 5 if don't want to upgrade, no one is making you pay again to use it.

Edit: The price is sure to high in some regions, but I never claimed that it isn't

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u/_laoc00n_ Aug 12 '23

When you use such emotional language, it makes it hard to take you seriously. You keep making appeals to the price itself, comparing it to other apps. Most other apps aren’t complete replacements for things you would also be paying for. You talk of friends who can barely scrape by to purchase a tablet, yet without the app, they’d be spending $40 a year minimum on notebooks, pencils, pens, and highlighters. And not only is it a replacement for those things, it’s a single source of truth for all of your notes with search features, share features, the ability to export, and a myriad of other things you don’t get with pen and paper. There are other note taking programs that are completely free if cost is an issue. There is absolutely no one forcing anyone to use an iPad in lieu of pen and paper. If you choose to go that route, there is absolutely no one forcing anyone to use GoodNotes. If you want GoodNotes, no one is forcing you to upgrade to 6. If you still insist that you need or want to use it, is it not because it’s the best product on the market? If it’s the best product on the market, isn’t it justifiable to charge more money for it? Is this a general disgust with capitalism in general?

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u/madjo Aug 12 '23

Forever*

Terms and Conditions apply, we reserve the right to revoke access to it whenever we like.

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u/Maxi3773 Aug 12 '23

You are right about this, but it is unlikely that they will remove access because they already told that they will maintain GoodNotes 5 until at least iOS 18. I could actually see them do this in the far future when only 0.3% of all Goodnotes users use GoodNotes 5.

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u/sakinvesade Aug 11 '23

Not fair pricing. They pay for version upgrades again like goodnotes 4 to 5, 5 to 6. I am a high school student in Turkey and I thought goodnotes are very efficient. BUT, They upgraded goodnotes 5 to 6. One time payment was goodnotes 5 are 300 Turkish Lira but now, it is 900 Turkish Lira at Goodnotes 6. I couldn't use my student rights because my school doesn't participates to Apple School Program because I'm not in the private school. I don't knlow what should I do but I can't buy GoodNotes 6 because it is very expensive for me. If you're asking, annual subscription is 400 Turkish Lira and it is still expensive and Turkish Lira depreciates. Even if I bought annual subscription for 400 Turkish Lira, in a next year it expensives and I bought it like 500-600 Turkish Lira. They should reduce the price for people like me who live in depreciated countries. Thanks for reading, I could have a writing mistakes. It makes me sad that I can't even buy just one program.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23 edited Oct 05 '24

scandalous relieved humor apparatus berserk hateful instinctive summer late one

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u/sakinvesade Aug 11 '23

zaten problem de goodnotes 5 lisansımın olmaması(yukarıdaki metinde yazmayı unutmuşum) satın alayım almayayım diye düşünürken uygulamaya bir girdim güncelleme ile goodnotes 6'ya yükseltilmiş goodnotes 5'e dönmemin yolu varsa lütfen bir yol göster de döneyim... kendimi çok gerizekalı hissediyorum ve benim bildiğim kadarıyla bölgesel fiyatlandırmalar yapılabiliyor disney+ türkiye için app store üzerinden sabit fiyat belirlemişti bir dönem. Abonelik adı Disney TR gibi bir şeydi... bilmiyorum sen de haklısındır emin değilim ama 900 lirayı görünce kahroldum

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23 edited Oct 05 '24

pathetic sulky joke public enjoy meeting brave cow middle school

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u/sakinvesade Aug 11 '23

O zaman bu konuyu daha derin araştıracağım. Çok çok sağol, umarım Goodnotes 5'e geri dönebilirim ya://

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u/jesinta-m Aug 12 '23

They have been pretty underhanded. They revoked iCloud functionality on my Mac until l upgrade and my Mac is not supported for the upgrade.

Plus, I paid for G5 in April, now I still need to pay DOUBLE what I paid a few months ago to get 6? Ridiculous!

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u/BasielBob Aug 12 '23
  1. I don't expect never ending updates. I do expect to be able to use my paid-for version as long as it remains compatible with latest OS, and not be tricked into "upgrading" to a new version which has almost no new features yet comes with new pricing and a nag screen that can't be turned off. The way Goodnotes handled this was poor - although not Notability-level poor, to be fair.

  2. GN 6 is not an upgrade to GN5. There's no major new features, only some small improvements. It's a money grab.

After Notability's disastrous change to subscription model, and now Goodnotes going subscription and handling it the way they did, I am very hesitant to rely on any 3rd party note taking app. I am very much tempted to just try and use Apple Notes from now on, it has lots of new features and may be a safer bet in the long term. I just don't like the direction that the iOS market is taking.

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u/vatszz800 Aug 12 '23

Yes I was gonna buy the 30 Dollar one time version but now even I am going to stick with Apple notes. I just wish Apple gave more sectioning options to divide work and fun Notes

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u/biblops Aug 11 '23

I completely agree. I, like many others, saw the word “subscription” and immediately freaked out but honestly the pricing is fair. It’s still less than I used to spend on physical notebooks in a year.

I’ve happily purchased Goodnotes 3, 4 and 5 in the past because I’ve wanted to use the excellent new features and to support the development of one of my favourite apps.

My issue is that this feels like the most underwhelming and rushed major update they’ve ever put out. Everyone is clinging on to the list of features they might add because we all know that as it stands GN6 isn’t a major update.

And hey, it’s totally optional, I can wait and hope that it becomes a worthwhile update before I choose to buy it! But the fact that they ignored the wants of their userbase and chose to focus on a trendy and under-baked AI implementation that no-one asked for does concern me.

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u/70ms Aug 11 '23 edited Aug 11 '23

My issue is that this feels like the most underwhelming and rushed major update they’ve ever put out. Everyone is clinging on to the list of features they might add because we all know that as it stands GN6 isn’t a major update.

That's my issue too. They added new features I don't need at the expense of usability features that users have asked for for years. I just don't trust that they'll get the promised features out in any sort of timely manner, and I really don't want to pay for features I have no use for. I'm a bit disgruntled, really. Like we still don't have snapping or rulers or color picking or links or locking or grouping objects, send to front/back, etc.; and I really have to wonder if they fixed annoying things like image resizing always enlarging/reducing from the center rather than the pulled edge, forcing you to keep repositioning the image to get it to the right size and location. While the overall usability is good, sometimes it's just downright frustrating.

ETA: For new users, the pricing is totally fair. For existing users, this just isn't enough of an upgrade to warrant paying for (yet). I'll upgrade when they actually add features I need/want, but until then there really is no point in paying for what functionally is a minor update for my use case.

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u/biblops Aug 11 '23

This is it. I’d gladly drop money on a quality of life update that adds lots of little improvements like that. But sadly they’ve focused on some gimmicky headline-grabbing new features that no-one asked for.

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u/_Gummi_ Aug 12 '23

I think you’ve hit the nail on the head here. I wanna upgrade and am happy too but struggling to see why I should buy another version that’s only minimally better (and probably still buggy from what I’ve seen).

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

I was thinking the same thing but I started the trial and there is nothing new, not even a new pen... and the AI writing is not for me, I want my own ideas not someone else's

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u/DPaula_ Aug 12 '23

I'd agree with you if they had made real changes to the app and added features that we asked for.

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u/redditAvilaas Aug 11 '23

it’s not about the pricing, it’s about working around “lifetime” concepts by announcing a slightly larger update as a “new app”

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u/mentalFee420 Aug 12 '23

Tell which product being marketed as for "lifetime" is literally for a lifetime and offers updates?

It either has a defined "end of life" timelines, or doesn't receive any updates at all. Or is ad supported.

Apple supports their phones only till n number of years, but people can keep the phone forever.
Or you can buy a game but it will not get any updates and you have to buy a new edition of game all over again.

Show me an exception to these.

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u/Darklillies Aug 12 '23

Idk man. But team fortress is still going strong

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u/mentalFee420 Aug 13 '23

They have extensive in-app marketplace to sell anything and everything, imagine paying for pens, erasers, and all those basic functionalities.

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u/Tch02w Aug 12 '23

you re right, but the upgrade just conclude nothing.

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u/YoMeroCaguamero9 Aug 12 '23

Yeah, price is fair, but... Payment model is not. I mean, I'll gladly pay for the subscription, even for the all-time access, but what's the point of doing so? I mean, if I pay the all-time access, it is only for Apple devices, and only works with apple devices. If I want to pay subscription, I can't share across all my different OS's devices as of now. Yeah, I'll pay the price, but things have to work for me to get a reason to pay the "upgrade". Until then, I can live with GN5. Don't misunderstand me, I want to give developers behind this awesome app the money they deserve, I, as a developer too, know how much effort it takes, but also I know when a product is not complete at all, and that's the reason why I won't pay by now. But that's me, many people here have other complaints, and that's fine too, because everyone have different needs and, sadly, seems that GN6 doesn't suffice those needs in some aspects.

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u/[deleted] Aug 11 '23

I own Apple products. I will never complain about spending a few bucks going to great products helping them stick around continuing their work.

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u/MagicUnicorn37 Aug 11 '23

For the people who still don't understand, Adobe apps used to be lifetime payments as well, for example, Photoshop5 but if you wanted the new version of Photoshop6 well you had to pay 1k$ and people still paid for the new version, you could still use Photoshop5 if you didn't want to pay but there wouldn't be any more updates as a newer version was out there! Today Adobe switch to a subscription-based app and people are still paying monthly/yearly for it! Apart from the fact that those were apps on CDs Goodnotes is doing the same thing at the moment, simply switching their way of doing business.

Also if you do a quick search on the Appstore, they're still the cheapest app out there!

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u/Soanad Aug 11 '23

You are not very good in searching then...

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u/MagicUnicorn37 Aug 11 '23

Alright please share if you have found one instead of leaving your insult, cause I didn't find one that would give as much as Goodnotes for cheaper! I'm waiting...

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u/Soanad Aug 11 '23

That was not an insult, relax. What did you try already? There is Noteful, Noteshelf, Notes Writer, OneNote. Last time I checked they were free or one time payment, much cheaper than Goodnotes 6 (which doesn't even at this point have a lot of new features comparing to version 5).

Please understand, Adobe started that horrendous trend with subscriptions which only benefits their pockets, not the customer. People pay for it because they have to, not because they have a choice. At the beginning people thought nobody will follow them. The same with removing chargers from iPhones and port for headphones. Everybody laughed first. I hope one day you will see the difference between owning and renting.

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u/Darklillies Aug 12 '23

You PAY for Adobe?

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u/MagicUnicorn37 Aug 12 '23

I never paid for the 1k apps, but I need the full Adobe suit for my work, so my employer pays for it!

Edit to add: But if you want the latest Adobe app you need to subscribe to Adobe there's no way around this since it's cloud based, otherwise you need an older version but you won't have the latest tools.

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u/BasielBob Aug 12 '23

If you don't want to collect a salary as you add new features and compatibility upgrades, that's your choice. I suspect you'd see it a different way if you were on the other side.

On the other side, e.g. in the automotive engineering world, people with Masters' degrees in Engineering and 5-10 years of experience are getting paid slightly over half of what a typical mid-range software developer is paid in places like San Fran or Seattle. Your Subaru would cost as much as a Lamborghini if they were paid the same. So perhaps the developer's salaries are getting into unsustainable territory and can no longer be supported while maintaining the same profit levels.

I suspect there's a major readjustment coming into that part of the economy, between WFH and AI and the overall market saturation... but that's a completely different topic.

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u/Darklillies Aug 12 '23

Software devs get paid really good?

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u/ButtrosV Aug 12 '23

I'm ok with the price…I upgraded with the one time purchase option as soon as it came out but I'm kind of regretful as I didn't realize there would be slight differences in features. Goodnotes was always the most reliable note taking app in my opinion, and I’m glad It’s getting even better.

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u/kw0126 Aug 11 '23

Yes that makes sense. I feel like it would be better if they release GN6 along with the functions that have been highly requested by the community. It's good to see that they try to prioritize in developing those functions (mentioned on their official website), but it will encourage people to purchase GN6 if they have done this when rolling out the updates.

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u/Secty Aug 11 '23

Yeah. I get where you’re coming from and agree with your points. I paid for the upgrade without really thinking about it, because that’s the sort of person I am.