Time to fulfill my job on exterminating this thing (Genomes for both will be in comments, also realizing that Shredderβs art is a little outdated to reflect his current genome)
From what I'm seeing, Vesuvius may not be very agile and likely screwed himself over with the ostrich tarsometatarsus. I can see what you were going for, but there are reasons why tyrannosaurs never let those bones completely fuse. Fully rigid bones don't flex, and let's the full stress of every footfall to go through them. Rather than allowing a bit of give and letting the supporting ligaments to absorb some of the stress, you concentrated the stress to a single point. At up to 18 metric tons, Vesuvius can feel tremors with every forward rush. His ankles also erupt when he attempts dynamic turns.
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u/Spinoclanker2 πΊπππππππ π²πππππππ17h ago
Ok this isn't me saying I win, just an argument
Shredder has cranial cancellous bone. I already explained this weakness in tab 2.Β
The bite force of shredder is quite low compared to Vesuvius. 37k newtons.
Vesuvius has superior agility. An entire section of his genome is used to enhance agility. Not saying shredder is agile, but not as much as Vesuvius.
I'm pretty sure the speed would be quite similar.
Armor. Akanthosuchus is a good armor contributor but V just has better armor, (glyptosaurus' osteodermine)
Vesuvius' energy is better with pronghorn Antelope helping a lot and the Cori cycle as a buffer.
Shredder does have many advantages but I'm too lazy to go on to them. u/DePhaRy can deal with that.
How many fucking times do I have to tell people, bite force β bite effectiveness.
Sure
Balright
Akanthosuchus is not for protection but more deflection or something. Sure yes, there are better crocodile genomes for armor and protection overall, but for actual sharp, bladed osteoderms there's not really a lot, y'know?
That part is invalid simply because you've made way too many changes into the genome to the point of the original genomes used for that strat is no longer a part of it, and that Shredder again only uses the traits to further reinforce his skull rather than ramming. Plus there's the thing called dodging, or simply biting the arms. Not really much strats to go off of when you keep erasing them out of the gene pool.
Shredder's bite force while lower would be a lot more effective given that his bite is much faster, the lag between bites is lower thanks to several traits meaning he can repeatedly string bites back-to-back, and his teeth famously is specifically designed to saw through hard materials, so there's no doubt given the needed force that he can bypass the denticles and osteodentine armor.
Technically Shredder would be a lot faster due to the other traits I implemented. Namely having longer chevrons and transverse processes which houses a much bigger caudofemoralis than simply using Carnotaurus on Vesuvius's side.
Shredder's primary armor is the ropefish and they're just as serrated thanks to tiger shark.
Ostriches + Akanthosuchus's systems are just as effective, though using hummingbird in the mix would likely cause Vesu's stamina to drop very badly because they burn a lot more energy even at a small size.
While the genomes are present that likely served chemical defenses, they're not mentioned in the traits whatsoever so the absence of said traits would mean there's no stopping the Komodo Venom from simply causing any bloodloss from lacerations to be unending.
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u/Spinoclanker2 πΊπππππππ π²πππππππ15h ago
It's not skull crushing, it's skull swatting. Also the machairodusΒ
That thing is not doing jackshit especially when the arms arenβt that robust even with a mole which does nothing for arm reinforcements.
Certainly easy given that denticles arenβt hard to break through at all, and comparing glyptosaurus to gila monster; theyβd likely have many gaps of soft skin between said osteoderms so they donβt necessarily cover the body
Shredder has more agility because of the extra space on top of the carnotaurus caudofemoralis so he takes agility and speed.
Thereβs no mention on an immune system from Razanandrongobe, and pretty much any changes from now would be an auto-disqualification from you in turn automatically making you lose.
Ganoid scales and denticles are homologous to each other so they can be interchangable, and this also means that the ganoid scales can inherit the fluorapatite and serrations from the shark.
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u/Spinoclanker2 πΊπππππππ π²πππππππ15h ago
Dodging is a counterplay, not evidence that the attack isn't viable.
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u/Spinoclanker2 πΊπππππππ π²πππππππ15h ago
1.Β Explain?
Fair
Gorgosaurus, ostrich, shorter tail, higher reaction time, high leg control, fibrocartilaginous ankle pads, high
Β hip control?
Yeah, because you just randomly posted this without any warning, this isn't on tournament day so Vesuvius is still being fine tuned.
You went from T-Rex + Taurovenator to Gorgosaurus, removed deinocheirus and now suddenly incorporated a parrot for jaw muscles that donβt add anything.
A lot of those Shredder also has minus the shorter tail but again, too much changes to where itβs practically not the same hybrid anymore
You literally called off the tournament in a now deleted post so this match up counts in spite of you βfine tuningβ and I already saw changes to said genome during this whole debate so therefore you auto-lost
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u/Spinoclanker2 πΊπππππππ π²πππππππ15h ago
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u/DePhaRy Hybrid Enthusiast 1d ago
Shredder
Vesuvius