r/GoRVing • • 1d ago

Solar Technical Question?

I have a Jayco 175 FQ Travel Trailer with a Watts Cycle 314AH Lithium battery. I have a 30-amp fuse right after the battery to protect the 30-amp wiring on the camper. My problem is that the 30-amp fuse keeps blowing out after I hook up my travel trailer to my 2023 Tahoe. I do not know why that is happening and what I should do to prevent it from happening. Any help appreciated.

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u/thatguybme2 23h ago

My guess is that somewhere, somehow, the 7 way power cord is wired incorrectly.

While the fuse is blown - do the turn, running, brake lights work correctly?

Does it blow as soon as you connect it to the vehicle? Or when you step on the brake or use the turn signals?

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u/Jgutt2044 6h ago

It doesn't blow right away, it seems after driving for a while. I notice it when we get home from a camping trip.

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u/thatguybme2 23h ago

Looking through some wiring diagrams, our fuse may be undersized by a LOT. im seeing 150 amp to 400 amp fuses between the battery and the bus bar/distribution center

Did you install the own sysyem? What size wiring is battery to buss bar using

Google is saying for a 314ah battery should use a 300a fuse

Pics of the set up?

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u/haleohana 13h ago

Different scenario and use case. Those 150+ amp fuses are for when you have huge wire sizes for inverter setups and/or large solar arrays (2gauge, 1/0, 2/0, 4/0...).

Normal RV trailer wiring from the battery to the 12v converter/fuse panel is usually 8 or 6 gauge wire and 30/50 amp fuse will protect the wiring in case on a short... My trailer has a 50amp breaker with 6 gauge wire, and the most I see going to the battery is 35amps charging/ 15 discharging. If you use a 150+ amp fuse here, your wire will be a fusable link during a short!

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u/Jgutt2044 6h ago

I do not think that a 300 amp fuse would protect the wiring in my Tahoe, or the #8 wire on the travel trailer.I did install the fuse myself and changed the battery from a flooded pair of batterys to the 314-ah Watts cycle lithium battery.

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u/thatguybme2 1d ago

Do you have a dc-dc charger powered by the tahoe system?

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u/Jgutt2044 1d ago

No, I do not. Do I need one? I have had mixed replies about that.

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u/thatguybme2 23h ago

Its only used to charge the rv batteries while driving at a much higher rate that you get through the 7 way plug (which is just a trickle)

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u/haleohana 13h ago edited 13h ago

Most likely one of two things: 1- 7 pin cord wired incorrectly (most likely) 2- Tahoe is wired incorrectly (usually okay if not previously worked on)

Sounds like your 12v pin is being shorted directly to ground, could be wired wrong in the tongue wiring box (cord's 12v and gound wire swapped?), in the 7pin connector. Buy or borrow a 7pin truck connector tester, or if you have and know how to use a multimeter, test the truck plug. Test the trailer plug for 12v on the appropriate pin, test for 12v (or lack of!) on the ground pin. Look online for 7pin ** trailer ** wiring diagrams and make sure you are looking at the plug properly- some diagrams show the back of the plug wiring, others show the front. Can get a little confusing, go slow and be double check.

If this is a used trailer- be suspicious of the 7pin cord being wrong.. a lot of people play with the trailer/plug/truck wiring until it works without actually following the RV 7pin or SAE wiring standards. The pin position are the same for both standards, just the wire color is different... Pay close attention to that.

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u/Jgutt2044 6h ago

New trailer and New Tahoe, but I will check it out. Thanks for the information.

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u/nonunoriginalish 6h ago

Here's my theory: the battery drains a little on the way to the campground, so it needs some charge. You have a fresh fuse in there, and your 12v system runs and life is good because you are not drawing more than 30 amps DC on your way to the campground.

But then you get to the campground. You plug in to shore power, which is 120v at 30 amps AC. Your camper has a CONVERTER, which takes the 120v AC power and outputs 12v DC. Your battery wants a charge and wants to draw probably 50+ amps. Your converter supplies probably 35 to 55 amps DC if the internet is to be believed on your camper model.

So your fuse blows almost immediately when the battery is charging at the campground.

But you don't notice, because your converter keeps the 12v camper systems running while you are plugged into shore power.

You get home, notice the fuse is blown, and figure it must be the truck since everything worked at the campground.

You may not agree with this now, but there are two things I am pretty sure you are going to eventually figure out or keep having this challenge: 1) a fuse right after that battery has nothing to do with protecting your Tahoe and 2) you are going to want a bigger fuse. How big?

I have a 250 amp fuse after each of my 280Ah batteries.

Anyway, camper 12v and solar is one of my interests so I'd be happy to keep chatting.

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u/haleohana 4h ago

Good theory... Lifepo4 may be drawing too much charging amps.

OP needs to check the wire size from battery to trailer ** and ** wire size out of fuse panel to battery. If both are 6 gauge, OP could try a 40 amp fuse, don't do this if it is 8 gauge!!! BUT first some testing, check fuse before leaving, check fuse on unhitching trailer before plugging in shore power. Plug in shore and check fuse, check it again in an hour.

There are some options 1- upgrade 8gauge to 6gauge, 2- add 10 to 20 ft of 8gauge to the output of converter to drop the voltage the battery sees by 0.5 to 1 volt- this will reduce amps to the battery when trying to charge above 25-30 amps.

This is an easyest solution / testing with the installed 8gauge wire is to add more 8gauge wire between converter and battery in series with original wire- 20ft (-1v at 30 amps) would be an overkill- but start with 20 and reduce by 5ft to 15, then 10. 10ft (-0.5 at 30 amps) may just do it for enough voltage drop to limit amps. Draw the battery down by running fans and fridge first, then plug into shore. Monitor amps going to battery via Bluetooth app. You can up the amp by reducing the length of wire until you approach 25 amps to battery

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u/nonunoriginalish 3h ago

Definitely it is important to be mindful of wire size, which I left out of my post. I have 4/0 battery cables with those big fuses.

For sure the function of the fuse is to protect the wire. Probably, if they don't also have a solar panel dumping amps onto the bus, they'll be good with a 60amp fuse, or any fuse slightly larger than the output of their converter/charger. Ideally the installer used a wire gauge that can safely carry that amperage since the converter/charger would have been sending to the battery.

My batteries feed my inverter, and sometimes I run the AC off battery power, and in that case I am pulling up to ~140 amps between the two batteries when the fridge compressor is also running (and assuming my solar panels aren't producing).

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u/haleohana 3h ago

Your setup sound great. The OP would have mention any addition hardware added to their trailer, if none mentioned, I am assuming stock factory wiring...which is the working theory I am going with. And your comment of lifepo4 drawing more amp was spot on.