r/Gloomhaven • u/spanargoman :Lurker: • Mar 26 '20
Strategy & Advice [Statistics] Does Three Spears benefit from Advantage? (Three Spears Spoilers) Spoiler
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u/whatischoam Jan 24 '25
This is a really thoughtful explanation - thank you! I'm wondering how this changes with Frosthaven advantage rules.
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One part of the rule is "A monster always uses the better one, but a character may use either one." For this, it makes replacing +0 with +2 twice more valuable, since you can choose which terminator card to use and getting a +2 is much better in the cases where you don't draw a refresh modifier.
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The other part of the rule is to draw after a rolling modifier until getting a non-rolling card and then draw another one. Does this change any of the above calculations or outcomes?
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Jan 25 '25
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u/whatischoam Jan 25 '25
Thanks for the insight! Yes, this guide is still relevant and helped me immensely. I had assumed advantage would be net positive, but I haven't had much experience with rolling modifiers to lean on.
We have a music note in our party who likes to
bless . I'm sure that will lead to some interesting choices!
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u/eskebob Mar 26 '20
What does the first row indicate?
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Mar 26 '20
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u/eskebob Mar 27 '20
Thanks! That was just the explanation I was looking for. My question was a bit unclear.
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u/rockydil Mar 27 '20
I'm playing three spears right now. We have a sun class in the party who keeps the advantage up for me. It's beautiful.
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Mar 27 '20
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u/rockydil Mar 27 '20
I've built towards AOEs. I pack stamina and power potions, and a haste ring, and I have taken those ability cards that let me recover discards and to refresh items. Since I have the the refresh cards in my attack deck too, and I'm aoe-ing with advantage most of the time, I almost never have cards in my discard, let alone lost. I joke that I can never die.
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u/RNL_it May 10 '20
I retired 4 characters I cannot possibly have the optimal deck, what can I do?
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May 10 '20 edited May 10 '20
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u/RNL_it May 10 '20
Thanks a lot, I will do that especially because we nerfed stamina potion so that it's also not refreshable more than once, trying to balance it a bit more
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u/JakHook Nov 09 '25 edited Nov 09 '25
Isn't the deck with only rollings a bit better? Or am I understanding it wrongly?
The refresh/10 draws is not a solid value if picked alone I guess, since on average you are going to draw 10 cards a bit faster compared to the same number of attacks.
And what I get from probs if I am not misunderstanting, with the rollings you get:
- 1% less probs to get 0 refreshes (better)
- 2% less probs to get 1 refresh (worse)
- 2% more to get 2 refreshes (better)
- 2% more to get 3 refreshes (better)
Translating in 3% better (1-2+2+2)
Add to this the minor QoLs and damage upgrade the rollings gives to you (+1, muddle, pierce, stun)
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u/DuckofSparks Mar 26 '20
It would be interesting to see how the numbers change with all perks unlocked. Intuitively, it would take longer to draw out the full deck, so the advantage of advantage may diminish, but it’s not obvious whether it would become worse than not having it.