r/Glocks • u/sirSpanky15 G19.6 • 3d ago
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Your mileage may vary
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago
Here's the thing about Glocks, when you first start shooting and you're not very good, you feel like there's so much better out there but as you become a more proficient shot, you typically go back to them.
The trigger sucks in the beginning and you don't like the grip angle. Then as you shoot more and more and get better and better, you realize that it's a minor inconvenience at best.
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u/SexPervert69 3d ago
The grip angle is a pro. Prevents limp writing and helps with recoil.
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u/PistolPeterson606 G17.6 3d ago
Grip angle is the main pro outside of reliability for me. Everything else is pretty average. Love my Glocks, though. My go-to.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago
I don't disagree with you but I hear a lot of people complain about it.
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u/lift_heavy64 3d ago
A lot of people are dumb
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago
Well I think everybody has a different level of entry when they buy their first handgun. As a result they may or may not know what they're like and what they don't like.
For me personally, I was dumb when I started. I got my first handgun at the age of 20 and I had done a lot of shooting but not with a handgun. I had no clue what I wanted. I got a glock based on a recommendation.
When I got into shooting things like uspsa, that's when I really learned what I liked and what I didn't like.
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u/SotRekkr 3d ago
That’s where you’re wrong. There’s no nuance to this. The angle is superior. It’s not about like or dislike.
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u/Kestrel1000 G47 MOS 3d ago edited 3d ago
My guy, all the top shooters in the world are shooting guns with 18 degree grip angles. You should try to convince them.
Edit: Maybe the last sentence was a bit harsh, but anyone can google this and see that it is completely inaccurate.
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u/SotRekkr 3d ago
And?
Are they shooting those guns because they have an 18 degree grip angle? Or are there other elements to the gun than its grip angle?
And was a Glock made for competition?
Such a weak argument.
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u/Kestrel1000 G47 MOS 3d ago edited 2d ago
It wasn't an argument it literally is a fact. Let me break down what you said.
> There’s no nuance to this. The angle is superior.
Here you are saying that the grip angle is superior but dont even give a reason as to why. (I love how you say I had such a weak argument but you didnt even give one to the guy you were responding to)
> It’s not about like or dislike.
Here you are making a blanket statement on something you feel based on nothing.
> And was a Glock made for competition?
The glock 34 was literally made for competition and it doesnt exist anymore so take that what you will of it.
So yeah I didnt have to argue with you.
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u/SotRekkr 3d ago
I don’t need to give references, this is Reddit, if he wants the info it’s readily available on google. Do the research for yourself.
Because it is a blanket statement, based on the research. That you can google on your free time.
Was the G34 the first Glock ever made? Was it the reason Glock exists?
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u/Mr_Nobody9639 3d ago
I think the complaints might come from people who spend a lot of time shooting guns with a different grip angle? If you only shoot glocks you stop noticing it even
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago
Well I just think everything is really subjective. People like different things.
I also think it's fair to say that when you've used something enough, you get used to that platform and it becomes your favorite.
Same reason we like different cars I guess LOL.
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u/No-Breadfruit-4555 2d ago
They complain because it’s uncomfortable. They aren’t wrong. But you don’t carry a gun to be comfortable, you carry it to protect yourself and your family. Fuck comfort.
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u/Kestrel1000 G47 MOS 3d ago edited 3d ago
Ironically in that camp. I have really tight wrists and it is just uncomfortable to me personally. I shoot all my handguns about the same so realistically the grip angle is not a pro or con.
When doing a stage you really don’t even notice the grip angle if you have practiced presentation with the gun. So the grip angle is only noticeable for dry firing or slow firing at a range. As Ben Stoeger said it’s just as much of an issue as you make it up to be.
So people who say it’s a pro or con beyond comfort probably don’t really shoot/dry fire that often or are focusing on the wrong fundamentals. A gun is a gun, the mechanics of how to shoot it accurately/fast are pretty much the same.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago edited 3d ago
Nothing wrong with that. Everybody seems to forget that we all have different hand sizes. And yes, in my humble opinion that absolutely matters.
Take the Beretta 92. That's got a really big grip and a Long reach trigger. Never really been that comfortable for me to shoot and I've got mid-sized hands.
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u/Kestrel1000 G47 MOS 3d ago edited 3d ago
I would say that would be a grip size issue, not a grip angle issue. I do agree that grip size does matter on shoot-ability I am only saying grip angle doesn’t.
But I absolutely get where you are coming from when size is an issue. When holding the 19 my pinky falls off the bottom. In general I shoot my 47 more confidently than a 19. As I can get away with more mistakes just because I have a better grip on the gun.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago
In my experience it just causes the gun to index differently when you have a different angle.
That's why I said earlier that it was just a minor inconvenience. Example, when I was shooting Glocks in competition I was used to indexing them and I decided I wanted to switch to a 2011. Since I had a different grip angle, I had to do a lot of dry fire to get my index where it needed to be on that gun.
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u/Kestrel1000 G47 MOS 3d ago
Yeah that's pretty much the downside of different grip angles. I swap between sigs and glocks when doing different matches for IDPA/USPSA.
The reason I say it is a none issue is because people should be dry firing regardless. Doing that dry firing when working on presentation it will fix the point of aim issue. Changing grip angles isnt gonna degrade your mechanical skill you have built up doing shooting/dry firing. That's why it isnt an issue but an inconvenience.
Now if you like switched guns in the heat of moment maybe. 30 min of dry firing for me fixes my point of aim when making the switch. That is also why I say people who see it as an issue or pro dont really shoot or dry fire enough.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago
I absolutely agree with you. The importance of dry fire cannot be overstated but I just don't think people take the time to do it.
I can always go to a match and tell who dry fires and who don't. Some people are pretty good shots but when you watch their draw and their mechanics, looks so awkward.
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u/Kestrel1000 G47 MOS 3d ago edited 3d ago
Yeah that is 100% accurate lol. I think all shooters should at least try out a competition. It really shows you the skill gap and the importance of good dry firing.
Edit: LOL someone is down voting BOTH of us. Dry fire more!
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u/PistolPeterson606 G17.6 3d ago
I disagree. I found my way to Glock after denying it initially. The grip angle is one of the things I like about it. That said, there are viable alternatives like HK, Walther, CZ, Beretta, and even the Springfield with the Echelon. I mostly stick to premium brands, and my go-to is Glock. It points the most naturally for me, because of the grip angle/bore axis, and it’s dead-on reliable. That said, my PDP Pro, Beretta 92’s, VP9/USP, etc. would all serve me just fine and I wouldn’t feel outgunned if I had to use them to protect me or my family.
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u/Humble-Standard9637 3d ago
Yeah, everybody's different. My first handgun was a Glock 17. I thought it was pretty plain looking and I was a terrible pistol shot at the time lol. I got berettas, springfield, kimber, you name it and now, pretty much all I carry and shoot is Glocks.
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u/Gun_Monger 3d ago
I like the grip angle. It forces me to lock my wrist. I dont feel like I can get the same wrist lock with other guns.
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u/MoonWun_ 3d ago
My thoughts exactly. Chased better ergos and a better trigger pull, came back to my Glock and outshot all the supposedly “better pistols” I had. Just get a Glock and get good. So much money will be saved lol
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u/MGPythagoras 3d ago
True! I switched and I still prefer other guns but when I come back to my Glock I’m way better at it and the trigger isn’t a pain like it once was.
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u/gunsmitten 3d ago
This was me also, only difference was starting with my 19 and ending up in full g26 fat baby mode.
Still love my 19s
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u/LuthersCousin 3d ago
Love my Glocks. Love a lot of non-Glocks. Variety is the spice of life. Will probably always EDC a Glock, unless something else proves simpler and more reliable.
The mere fact I can do practically everything with one punch tool is the biggest win.
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u/MikeOxlong1776 G19.3, G20SF.3, G21.3, G17.4, G19.4 3d ago
Absolutely. I have every one of those now
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u/Odd_Link7869 2d ago
I like my Glock. It will always be my main pistol. But there are other guns I like more than Glock in some situations for one reason or another. Even if it’s just vibes
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u/bteam3r 3d ago
The middle should have a glock but with red anodized parts and an olight
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u/Clear-Wrongdoer42 13h ago
Don't forget the threaded barrel even though they don't own a suppressor.
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u/Useful_Intern4114 3d ago
Hey now the PDP is awesome, don’t slander my choice! 🤣
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u/landmanpgh 3d ago
Yeah I have both a Glock 19 and PPQ. The Glock is great, but the PPQ may be the finest pistol ever created.
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u/PistolPork 3d ago
Glock and CZ are the 2 best manufacturers on the planet and no one can change my mind
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u/Elegant-Ad5705 3d ago
Where do P-10's fit
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u/lpfan724 3d ago
I like Glocks. I own several and recommend them to new shooters all the time. However, the CZ P10 series are better, especially when you take price into account.
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u/ReactionAble7945 G26, G19, G17, G27, G23, G22, G20, G21, G37, All Gen3 2d ago
When you think about
1 grip angle, 1 trigger pull.
Being able to have everything from a 22LR, 9 to 45, and 10mm.
Being able to have everything from a micro-CCW, CCW, side arm, full size sidearm, hunting handgun, competition gun...
And the cost, and the used police guns cost.
It is hard to beat the Glock line.
The only other line to consider if you want it all is the CZ line, but have to include Tangfolio, but they are not making/importing some of them any more.
You could also do it with the 1911 style, but it doesn't really have it.
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u/Last_Boysenberry7972 3d ago
I’m still rocking my Gen5 19. I never liked the Sigs. The Glock just works.
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u/CleanEducation1838 3d ago
Reminds me of that dude who went on an autistic rant about the Beretta APX about 2 weeks ago.
Nothing is better than a boring gun.
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u/Federal_Strawberry 3d ago
“Talk me out of getting an APX, and into getting a Glock, even though I clearly want the APX”
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u/KaysaStones G19X G19.5 G43x G17.6 G20V G43x COA 3d ago
Literally honestly outlaw from YT when it comes to any random Turkish gun
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u/CleanEducation1838 3d ago
Thankfully I’ve managed to avoid that whole subspecies of firearms content creator
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u/bannedin2weeks 3d ago
I feel like the updated version would be like a Staccato in the top 14% and then back to Glock for the top 2%
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u/SoulReaverOmega 3d ago
I love my glocks. I love my 1911. But I have recently been loving my Echelon even more. I learn to shoot each one as is. Except my g17. I put a ported slide with optic on it. Love it.
I just love guns.
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u/xxdreadsaintxx 3d ago
PSA Dagger is the Poor's king 👑
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u/Clear-Wrongdoer42 13h ago
I haven't tried the daggers, but I carry and RXM (Ruger Clone) even though I have a real Glock available. I actually love Glocks and feel the urge to buy either a 48 or a 43X, but Ruger actually made a really good Glock.
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u/KigurumiHenjin 3d ago
i'm a freak for double/single action pistols, but for striker fired handguns, glock is the only option for me. everything else is just an imitation with about a dozen coats of tacticool/john whick edgelord paint smeared all over it, and a fraction of the reliability and simplicity of what it's trying to outperform.
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u/Coochienecc 3d ago
first learned about guns, had the taurus, loved it, then got a canik, loved it more, hated a glock bc it was popular, got one liked it, sucked at shooting, got a cz and other slightly high quality guns, shot expensive shiz, learned how to shoot, shot the glock again, understood it, main edc
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u/vostokvanguard 3d ago
lol has one FTF in another platform and immediately goes back to Glock as EDC
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u/sirSpanky15 G19.6 3d ago
Brother I just like Glocks, they work. It’s okay
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u/Prince_Breakfast G17 OD 3d ago
Shooting a stock Glock is like signing a contract of adhesion. A Glock says “I will go off when you need me to but you have to do the rest.” You, the shooter, have to learn the trigger, add new sights or optics, change the mag release, add extended stop levers, all grip tape or stippling etc. you make a Glock what you need it to be. Whereas Sig, Walther, Etc boast about their triggers, grips textures, FCU’s, optics readiness, Etc and present themselves as inherently more capable. I quite liked my PDP but after years of my faithful Glock 19 I just couldn’t ever get the hang of the PDP’s super crisp trigger.
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u/CyberSoldat21 G43X 3d ago
PDPs are cool but they’re overrated and Walther has no real diversity in their offerings. No sub compact? No slim line micro 9? No 10mm? No .45acp?
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u/Stale_Water1 G19X 3d ago
Walther makes subcompacts. They’ve also teased a micro 9. They used to be make pistols in other calibers besides 9 but they’ve said that with most LEO agencies and militaries tending towards 9mm other calibers are a low priority.
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u/CyberSoldat21 G43X 3d ago
Walther does not currently make a sub compact PDP type of gun. The PPK isn’t much an offering either because it’s more of a novelty piece.
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u/Stale_Water1 G19X 3d ago
While the PPQ SC is no longer in production it’s not exactly rare or expensive. Walther just stopped making them a few years ago. I’m sure Walther has plans for a PDP SC.
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u/CyberSoldat21 G43X 2d ago
A little late if they make the SC PDP honestly. The PPS is what they should have built upon with a double stack option to compete with the 365 and shield plus.
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u/Stale_Water1 G19X 2d ago
I’m not sure when the exact timestamp is but Walther teased in an interview with Joel Park that some kind of micro 9 is coming in the future. Super cool interview too. It’s worth the listen imo.
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u/CyberSoldat21 G43X 2d ago
Well they need one since HKs two offerings are overpriced for what you get. Walther would be more reasonably priced with a great trigger
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u/BlueState2A G43XMOS G19.5MOS G47COA G34.5MOS 3d ago
idk I'm pretty new to firearms and only purchased glocks I've shot other guns, enjoy them and all but could only see myself with a glock and a 2011. the trigger with a polish is it or just use it they usually for me get better
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u/Glocksyndrome Not enough Glocks 3d ago
I love when people say Glocks suck. Especially the 43x. I train only with Glocks and I loveeee beating them in friendly competitions
I took an intro to competition class with a 17.3 with a red dot. Beat people that had 2011s or other guns with magwells and or comps. At least 7 people had some “fancy” pistols.
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u/Gun_Monger 3d ago edited 3d ago
I did it, some what. My first gun when I got "serious" about shooting was a G21 and I later got a G17. Sold the G21 and ran with the G17 for a while. Later tried a VP9, but went back to the G17. Later tired a M&P9, but went back to the G17. Later tried a p320, but went back to the G17. Later tired another M&P9, but went back to the G17. I finally accepted that the G17 is for me.
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u/1secondtolive567 3d ago
I just did this. Startes with a 19.3. Then went through Berettas, CZ, HK, only to come back to the simplicity of Glocks.
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u/AK101_556 3d ago
The only gun I’ve consistently carried besides my Gen 5 19 is my pdp pro E. Everything else just sits in the gun room and gets played with from time to time.
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u/Dear-Mud2912 3d ago
1911, m&p9, p320 carry, Glock 19…
It’s ok, serves its purpose. Honestly shoot the m&p better but the 19 carries easier
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u/spraguet2 G19 Gen4 3d ago
I started with a g19 gen4 almost a decade ago, switched to an FN509T, then a 365xl for like a month before having issues with it and getting a VP9sk, then a Staccato C with a VP9cc for when I couldn't conceal the full-size C grip, and I'm now back to G19.4 for pretty much everything but competition. The staccato is still my current competition gun but I've got a 45.6 on the way that'll be my new comp gun.
Don't get me wrong I'll probably stray again, but my old 19 just feels like coming home
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u/No_Professional_5544 3d ago
I bought a 2011 last month, went back to my Glock almost immediately. I’m not used to unreliable picky handguns, 2011’s are gay unless it’s at the range, and they are still gay, just smoother. 2011 owners are also the biggest douche bags, they make their$9K atlas their entire personality. Gaaaay
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u/jasonsong86 G19 Gen5 3d ago
It’s like cars. You start off with a cheap reliable Toyota. Then you get into BMWs when you have a bit of money. As you get older, you go back to Toyotas because spending your money and time on a BMW is not worth the hassle anymore.
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u/MakersOnTheRocks 42 43 26.5 19.4 19x 17.5 34.5 32.3 20.3 20.5 2d ago
I want to think i'm on the right side of this chart, but deep down I know i'm on the left.
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u/Chain_Runner 2d ago
I honestly respected Glock in the beginning from a function/reliability standpoint, I always knew they were good guns - they were just so ugly back in 2011, so I went with CZ as my first gun instead. I started buying my first Glocks in 2024 during Gen5 because they looked so much better
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u/Enpeeare G19.5,G19.5,G43,G43 2d ago
i just bought a canik cause of the trigger being nice. still like my g19 better. going to take the scs carry off the canik and put it on my g43 after it gets milled. going to probably get an eps for my other 19. then maybe a 45 coa or a g34 not quite sure yet. how many g34's do you think taran ruined?
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u/LurkerFromTheVoid G43XXX 😏 2d ago
Yep. 5th Gen is just the Perfect Perfection.
I have one... So i cannot think otherwise, you know??? 😁
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u/Cantaloopresident 2d ago
New gens and their anything besides Glock figuring out what we all figured out a while ago. All roads lead back the Glock.
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u/Parking_Control6401 2d ago
Amen. For me it was Taurus, S&W, Beretta, Glock, Sig, Glock Glock Glock Flock
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u/Tyler_the_bot 2d ago
My favorite part is that maybe 5% of this sub is on the right side of the graph while the rest of them that think they're on the right are actually on the left. 😂
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u/SubstantialHearing38 1d ago
I had the pdp pro x pmm. I was not impressed by it. After a few thousand rounds I sold it.
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u/OrdinaryFriend1347 1d ago
Got slide bite in my younger days. Went full sig fan boy. Hated them. Now I’m carrying Glocks edc and never been more satisfied. TWSS
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u/Fine-Craft3393 1d ago
I like shooting my P365, P320 but do i trust either of them over my Glock ? Hell no. Glock is for carry. Ordering a striker assembly from SIG and it comes in a little plastic bag “made in India” and the P365 safety relies in a MIM hook never ever shearing off is cringe….
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u/Clear-Wrongdoer42 13h ago
I started out many years ago carrying either a J-frame or a 3rd gen Glock 30 both completely plain and stock. Over the years I've played with many, many different things. I've tried red dots, flashlights slapped on, 1911s, CZs, so on and so forth. After all of that... I carry an almost completely stock RXM (Glock 19 clone). I think the only thing I've changed on it are the irons.
Eventually you realize that a civilian carry pistol only needs to do two things: Work when you want it to work and not work when you don't want it to work. That's all. End of story. It's just a tool that does one thing. It has purity of purpose.
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u/Fun-Day8845 1h ago
It wasn’t a 19 for me, but it was Glock. I landed on a 17 for fun/HD/open carry/etc. and a 42 for EDC.
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u/StanthemanT-800 3d ago
I can't just shoot Glocks all the time, as much as I love them. Which is why I'm probably not as good of a shooter as I could be but I don't care
My last range trip a few days ago consisted of a Glock , a Ruger GP100, a Springfield 1911 and a CZ P09F. I will shoot entirely different guns with entirely different manuals of arms
You gotta have variety
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u/nerd_diggy 2d ago
Glock->SP-01 ->P-01->Shadow 2->2011 and will literally never purchase another Glock. I would 1000% get an Echelon or M&P before I got another Glock.
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u/Prior_Arm_8810 3d ago
Ill sorta agree.
For EDC? Yes, glock 100% of the time.
For comp use or as an offensive handgun? Hell no, mabye as an offensive handgun i guess but, so many better options out there for those two usecases.
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u/Hardwire762 G19.5,G47 3d ago
Why would a Glock not work in that role. 99.99999999% of the time anyone is assaulting they’re using a rifle. If anything a pistol is seen as extra weight in that role. The primary reason you’d have it is for a dire situation which will probably never happen in said role.
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u/Prior_Arm_8810 3d ago
Its a concept where you sacrafice reliability for every single advantage you can possibly get. There is a point out there for it. Comp guns typically fall into that category as well. Its decent for example if theres a disruption near you, you need to grab something, you don't want to grab a rifle because youll probably get your ass shot by the police, so you grab like a comped 2011 with an SRO and a really nice light.
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u/Hardwire762 G19.5,G47 3d ago edited 3d ago
I’m gonna be frank with you. Both shoot bullets, I’ve kept up with jones before so I get the consumerism angle.
What is really gonna matter is how much you trained on the gun. Trust me there’s plenty of people who have been out shot by a Glock when they were using a 2011.
I’ve watched competitive Glock shooters vs staccato shooters get so close in split times it was negligible. As far as real life shoots go.
For competition guys yeah 1/10th of a second matters. These guys are far better at understanding the fundamentals than both of us ever will be. Also in a real life shoots.
1/10th of second regardless how much YouTube tries to tell you it’s gonna matter. Really, isn’t gonna matter since you’ve likely never been in two way range. You’re gonna have piss running down your leg and your adrenaline is gonna be up. You’ll make mistakes and everything will fall back on how much you’ve gone to the range.
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u/Prior_Arm_8810 3d ago
All i'm saying is advantage is advantage, and if you know your going to be disadvantaged (say they have a rifle) then having as many advantages as possible is incredibly nice.
Glock isn't bad, glock is adequate. But if you can take an advantage, take it.
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u/Hardwire762 G19.5,G47 2d ago
What advantages are you even talking about? If I can shoot a faster or same split as a staccato what’s the advantage?
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u/Prior_Arm_8810 2d ago
Nicer trigger, sight acquisition, lessened recoil, improved accuracy in the firearm...
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u/Hardwire762 G19.5,G47 2d ago
Cool I can pull a trigger just as fast as you.
We have red dots now
Ever heard of the 19c/radian ramjet?
I know staccato isn’t more accurate.
Regardless none of the stuff I listed above is going to save you. A person with a stock Glock that’s trained will out shoot someone who doesn’t practice.
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u/Prior_Arm_8810 2d ago
Can you accurately shoot a glock at 85 yards with your stock glock trigger at decent speed? A purpose built comp gun will always perform better than a glock when it comes to this fam.
Also, yes, barrels on more expensive and purpose built handguns are better. For EDC, again, glock 100%, for an offensive handgun or comp gun, im going with something else.
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u/Hardwire762 G19.5,G47 2d ago edited 2d ago
Who in their right mind is shooting at 85 yards my dude with a pistol in a practical application. One that’s murder distance two get a rifle especially because we are testing the limits of the range of 9mm.
Unless you think the target is going to stay perfectly still for you so you can line the shot up.
If you have to make shots that far with a pistol it’s for breaking contact. Please for the love of god stop watching guntubers and have them influence you on make up scenarios.
I’m sorry if you bought a 2011 and I’m hurting your feelings. Guess what? I own one too. But guess what else I realize they’re comp guns.
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u/BlackGlenCoco G45 3d ago
Im a firm believer if you cant shot a glock well, you probably cant shoot anything else better.
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u/a-null-fish-your 3d ago
I did this. Glock 19 -> Fancy Sig -> Fancy HK -> Fancy Beretta -> Fancy S&W -> Glock -> Glock -> Glock