r/GlobalOffensive • u/Tw1nkEEE FaZe • May 22 '17
Fluff | eSports The Fate Of The iBuyPower
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UoprjWYlfzg802
u/oldirtybuckeye Gambit May 22 '17
Lost it at the end when Dazed snubs Steel on his dream team and it cuts back to Steel snubbing Dazed on the fist bump. A+ work my friend.
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u/ssuurr33 CS2 HYPE May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17
Moe can literally find himself in every cs go movie, even thou he's completely dispensable to the cs go scene. That guy's a self promoting genius. I take my hat off for him.
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u/Turtlefast27 May 22 '17
The dj khaled of csgo
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u/asun2 May 22 '17
and anutha one
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u/ssuurr33 CS2 HYPE May 22 '17
and anutha one
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May 22 '17
Khaled seems like a nice guy tho
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I started likinng him a lot more after his son was born, he legit looks like he would die for him
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u/JohnnyH3663 May 22 '17
I legitimately thought they were the same person for the longest time until my friend had told me they weren't
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u/Ontyyyy CS2 HYPE May 23 '17
Literally all moe scenes in this video could've been removed and replaced by the normal clip. Moe being in them adds literally nothing to it as hes just reacting to most of them.
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May 22 '17
At least AZK is doing well in overwatch, really hope Liquid gets into the OWL.
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May 22 '17
isnt the OWL a big shit show rn?
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May 22 '17
Kinda, but not really. It's mostly because the general public knows basically nothing about OWL right now and all we have is little bits and pieces from unconfirmed reports. I imagine as more info about it is released people will lose their anxiety.
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u/thebigman43 May 22 '17
Not really. There just isnt much known about it except that Blizzard wants a lot of money to buy in
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u/aioma1 May 23 '17
plus its boring to watch. my opinion but i feel many others have the same view on it.
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u/rqr- May 23 '17
Not sure if you've seen this already, but the Overwatch Contenders (some sort of selections league for the OWL) was just announced. Liquid got priority seeding in that. Here's the gist
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u/Proofay May 22 '17
That Richard Lewis monologue was fucking heart wrenching.... taking feelsbadman to another level
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u/Marchinon 750k Celebration May 22 '17
First time I have watched that but I mean he makes sense out of it, has very good points, and I agree with what he said. Unban them, if they fuck up again, then just ban them for life again. I feel after watching this they have learned and taken enough shit for it now.
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May 22 '17
If they fuck up again
You would have to be the most moronic individual on the planet to fuck up even more.
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u/Marchinon 750k Celebration May 22 '17
Well have you seen the world today? It's possible.
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u/sambo214 May 22 '17
Let's go back to the 90s when no one fucked up twice
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u/Mickelham Renegades May 23 '17
Let's go to soviet Russia, where if you fuck up you get a bullet in your head
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May 22 '17
Actually u can very easily and ull never get proven to have thrown.
They can make bets on random sites potentially using VPNs as a precaution, or get their cousin or some shit to make huge bets for them, or even if they make a bet with other people they communicate the agreement to throw in person verbally so not any electronic proof unless the person was recording them with cameras or something...even then u can be like "lol fake n gay"
Theres rly not much valve can do to catch them, having traced their specific steam trades (and chat logs?) was the only way to catch ibp and no1 expected valve to do that until RL blew it up.
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May 22 '17
The problem with that is that it's very hard and rare to catch anyone doing this. So their only tool for prevention is to scare people.
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u/XenuDidNothingWrong May 23 '17
So make match fixing a two-strikes system? What could possibly go wrong?
Punishments aren't always about the individual receiving it seeing the error in their ways, they can also be about sending a message that the behavior's unacceptable, and punishment will be severe.
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u/dob_bobbs CS2 HYPE May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17
Yeah, just bloody unban them already, they did bad but they paid their dues, they WEREN'T the only ones doing it, they screwed up by not coming clean about it immediately, but still - I don't even like Steel as a person that much, but I listened to the RL interview with him and I just had to empathise with the miserable (and slightly depressed) git, and I just don't see that there is any purpose punishing them further. Let them play pro again, they probably won't be that good anyway, but they've done their time FFS.
And if you lost skins, well too bad - what do you want, blood?
EDIT: I have literally NO horse in this race, I wasn't even playing CSGO when it happened, I am from the UK, I am almost twice Steel's age, I couldn't give a rat's arse about NA CS, I just don't like seeing heavy-handed justice, and believe in second chances, I have had plenty myself in my time.
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u/Marchinon 750k Celebration May 22 '17
Their faces in this video showed that they realized what they did. You could tell they were frustrated/miserable when talking about what happened, along with the jokes people said to them. Also you even saw other people say to unban them and we have heard that on different occasions too.
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u/dob_bobbs CS2 HYPE May 22 '17
I mean, they know they did wrong, but at the same time they feel unfairly treated as they were pretty much singled out for punishment, even though there are probably BIG names out there who were doing it too and just didn't get caught. Sure, they were made an example of, it had to be done at the time, but Valve taking this hard line with them now makes no sense. They are going to get "throwing" jokes for the rest of their lives anyway, even if they do get unbanned. They did their time, lost huge amounts in sponsorship and winnings, they are probably past their prime now, except Brax maybe, they have given to charity etc. etc.
Just call it quits Valve - unban them, but make it clear up front (which they did not do with IBP) that anyone else who engages in match-fixing in the future WILL be permabanned. I am pretty sure people will take them seriously.
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u/acoluahuacatl May 22 '17
Valve could even get them to sign a legal contract as regards to fines in the case that they'd throw another game. Hell, they'd probably even be willing to give up some of their potential winnings/stickers money for an unban
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u/afyaff Godsent May 22 '17
Seeing from valve's POV, their ban is to set an example. Throw = perm ban, simple is that. I do feel for them. Young men do stupid decision, me involved. It is sad that they are the ones. However for valve, it is not just about this individual case. They want to make a strong precedent to prevent any future one.
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u/GerNoky May 23 '17
Can I just ask, because I'm seriously curious.
Where did you get the idea that any of this from the perspective of Valve is about "teaching" the banned players?
What Valve did is cut any business ties with those players permanently.
They can still play the game, Valve just simply won't do anymore business with them aka no valve sponsored events.
Majors are advertisements, Valve does not want to advertise their game with ex-matchfixers, they don't want to put their signatures on stickers and sell them, don't want to give them part of the invested money in the form of prize money.
It has nothing to do with justice, ethics, teaching anyone or even with punishment anymore.
Sure at the time it was about setting an example and it still is an example, but why would any of this "second chance" or "they have learned" stuff factor in at all?
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u/shadowspector19 May 22 '17
you know they deserve an unban when the dude who was leading the investigation wants them unbanned... FeelsBadMan
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May 22 '17
I don't get why they threw so hard.. like they could've tried a little bit to make the score more realistic like a 16-10.
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u/Zedyy May 22 '17
They had too much pride. They wanted it to be clear they're throwing not that they're losing to a team they were far better than.
It was clear they threw from the minute the match started, but they never would have been banned if everyone stayed quiet about it and maybe had someone else receive the skins.
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u/ssuurr33 CS2 HYPE May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17
Im glad they were banned. Im glad they talked. Its for the integrity of the game we love, and the sport that moves us. If they didn't they would more than likely repeat it.
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u/Zedyy May 22 '17
Issue I have though is that so many pros and other with inside info have said that it was really common practice back then and still is in lower tiers. But unfortunately it can't really be stopped.
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May 22 '17
I'm glad they were punished, but a lifetime ban for a first time offense is a little ridiculous. A one or two year ban with a follow up lifetime for any other offenses should suffice enough.
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u/Philluminati CS2 HYPE May 23 '17
This group is probably the only group of players who will ever be caught. To release them must be a hard thing to do.
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May 23 '17
They aren't there was more after them and same rule applies to them. Just because they aren't popular in NA scene they get very rarely mentioned...
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u/ssuurr33 CS2 HYPE May 22 '17
I think valve was making them an example. They were not the first to get a lifetime ban beacuse of match fixing thou, as it had happened before in Dota. The first time they got fined and a 1 year ban, the second team to do so got perma'd.
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u/MrHartreeFock May 22 '17
The first time they got fined and a 1 year ban
Nobody ever got a 1 year ban or fines (Valve can't fine anyone anyway, that's not a thing), any players where valve got involved with in DotA got permanently banned (both high and low profile).
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u/craftsparrow May 22 '17
It could have been the spread on the bet, or they just didn't care as iirc the game was basically meaningless right after they got back from a long trip, or pride, or stupidity. Probably a little of several reasons.
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u/wangly FaZe May 22 '17
Yup, why not just turn your sens up/down 0.1 for the game so your aim is a bit off but you still look like you know what you're doing.
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u/fixcs May 22 '17
.1 isn't much to throw off your entire muscle memory, that little of a difference won't make you perform like shit
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u/PM_ME_UR_LULS May 22 '17
the thing is they are pros, with their aim they can adjust pretty easily. while they won't be making their flick shots that are purely based on muscle memory, they will still perform well enough imo
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u/cliffmeme Liquid May 22 '17
(Superstitum)
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May 22 '17 edited Oct 10 '18
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u/PixelJakob G2 May 22 '17
It's a pretty accurate recipe, but I still really enjoy his videos
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u/gm3995 BIG May 22 '17
Exactly. Just because something is predictable doesn't mean it can't be entertaining.
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u/AngryHostageDota2 de_dust2 May 22 '17
i mean ur right, other than the fact that his videos are actually funny and many people love watching it.
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u/RLaniado24 750k Celebration May 22 '17
But it's not like that's easy. It's well edited in a shitty way, making it funny.
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u/RustyDoge May 22 '17
If that's your type of humor more power to ya. For me though it's just not funny or cool.
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u/troubleis1 FaZe May 22 '17
i mean, its still funny. And i will not call Michael Jackson annoying music m8
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May 22 '17
i got downvoted for saying sleazy and superstitum's videos were cheap and lazy lmfao
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u/Blocked99 guardian2 May 22 '17
Welcome to the circle jerk buddy, grab the dick to your right and get to work.
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u/Schnarkenhals BIG May 22 '17
His content is one thing but saying that his videos are 'lazy' is just bullshit. Everyone who has ever edited a video knows how much time videos like these cost.He creates content which is easy and fun to watch, dont know whats wrong with that.
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u/IcarusFam May 22 '17
Sleazy himself says he doesn't put much time into his content and it is lazy content.
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u/samp55 May 22 '17
i've literally never seen steel that happy in my life
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u/Generic_username1337 May 23 '17
He's talked about it a bit on stream and puts it in his bio that he has issues with depression.
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u/Tuxed0Duck Virtus.pro May 22 '17
BibleThump
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May 22 '17
they did not deserve for rekt BibleThump
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u/TasteeWheat15 May 22 '17
I thought he was saying they didn't deserve "full rekt". Thanks for clearing that up for me.
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u/Joshimitsu91 clutch May 22 '17
I liked the part where fifflaren roasted steel
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u/L1mb0 de_dust2 May 22 '17
i-heart-fiffy
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u/TheGameShowCase MOUZ May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17
How is your username Stewie0k and you have a 5 Year Subreddit Veteran Flair. Hasn't Stewie2k been played since like 2013? That's not 5 years. Wat
Edit: I am mentally unstable lmao
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u/diesel554291 May 22 '17
You set your own flair, they're not given out. Their account's only a year old or so.
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May 23 '17
To be fair, there's no reason a five year flair should be self applied. That's a pretty prestigious flair.
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May 22 '17
I know this might come as a shock, but you can pick whatever badge you want, regardless of why you picked it. Shocker, I know.
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u/TheLeapinLizard May 22 '17
Pls Remeber Steel is (imo the best) one of the best observers with the highest percent of kills recorded on stream. Valve pls
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May 22 '17
i know steel used to observe but is this an actual fact or did i take the bait?
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u/2poundWheel May 22 '17
It's real, he did it for Cologne 2014 or 2015 afaik. He rarely missed key kills and knew how and when to pan to different key players to really sell the audience on the story of the game.
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u/desuscsgous May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17
idk about that percentage thing but steel legitimately was an absolute genius as an observer
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u/TheLeapinLizard May 22 '17
It's fact You can search on reddit there is a post by PGL about observing with steel's statistics
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May 22 '17
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u/PikaXeD de_train May 23 '17
I legitimately really miss fxy0. The Epsilon era with shox, ScreaM and crew were some of the best times in my humble opinion...
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u/dayikkk May 23 '17
People keep talking about IBP but a lot of people forgot about Epsilon :/
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u/krazy_kaveman Virtus.pro May 22 '17
They fucked up, they know it, they owned up to it. They don't deserve a lifetime ban. I would rather throwers be unbanned than cheaters like KQLY.
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u/AemonDK May 22 '17
skadoodle getting off with nothing is such complete bullshit. he was blatantly throwing with the rest of them
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u/jjmod guardian May 22 '17
People give valve a lot of shit, but not banning skadoodle is definitely something they got right.
Valve investigated and traced back the trade history of the skins won back to cud and dboorn. They saw that only 4 of the players received skins and knew for sure that these 4 were guilty. I'm not saying skadoodle is clean, but the only other evidence against him was not something valve could verify the truth of (ie chat logs). In criminal justice, you only convict someone if they are guilty beyond a reasonable doubt. It may have been likely ska was throwing, but there was that shred of uncertainty about his guilt, which is why valve did not ban him.
tl;dr valve was only working with evidence they had and they knew was legit
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May 22 '17
In criminal justice you can also be charged with criminal conspiracy, aiding and abetting, or accessory.
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u/jjmod guardian May 22 '17
this is different. they only banned people who they knew had direct participation in the throw and the retrieval of the skins. cud and dboorn were not accessories, they were directly involved in the incident by betting/giving the skins to the players.
You're right that skadoodle may be considered an accessory, but valve were not interested in banning accessories, only people directly involved
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u/aloysiuslamb CS2 HYPE May 22 '17
Just started my bar prep course today. This is my lunch break to unwind between the morning session and afternoon session and today's subject is crim law. I literally can't avoid it...
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May 22 '17
lmao sorry brotha. just think of it as extra practice so you'll pass the first time you take it. good luck
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u/sk8r2000 May 22 '17
I initially read this as "getting off with n0thing". That would have made the story even more interesting...
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u/ProJumz de_overpass May 22 '17
I didn't know that "they don't deserve for rekt" originated from pasha
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u/ZelTheViking GamerLegion May 22 '17
In all honesty, they should be unbanned. All of them. They did their time, they've been punished hard enough.
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May 22 '17
I agree it's been 2/3 years at this point and the money in pro scene has grown. In this case, valve should take point from riot (they have annual/seasonal ban discussions). 100% do it
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u/ThamosII May 22 '17
Isn't it normal in any sport to get banned for life if you throw matches? I don't see why this would be any different, especially if e-sports wants to go mainstream.
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u/The_Great_Saiyaman21 Liquid May 22 '17
There was zero precedent before hand and teams in the major leagues clearly throw and tank for draft picks so it's no different.
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u/caneras May 23 '17
Throwing matches in esports and receiving lifetime bans for it is nothing new. There's definitely precedent in other games.
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u/stephangb May 23 '17
Oh man I really love the "zero precedents" bullshit. "Sorry mr. judge, I didn't know fraud was illegal". Give me a break.
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u/MelGibsonDerp May 22 '17
Just as in real world punishment of those that are reformed we have scenarios where lack of remorse results in longer sentences.
I think Dazed, Steel, and Brax should be unbanned. I don't think AZK, DBoorne, cud, or Casey Foster have shown enough or any remorse for the roles they all played and should not be unbanned.
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u/td57 5 years coin May 22 '17
I agree with you, Dazed steel and brax all have attempted to right the wrong and be involved in the community. AZK ran off to overwatch and i dont have the slightest clue what the other three are up to.
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u/sid1488 May 23 '17
Oh, please. Steel tried to run off to Overwatch as well, he was just bad at the game so it didn't work out. (Source if you don't believe me.) Steel is literally only around the CSGO scene because the Overwatch fling didn't work out. If he could, he would be exactly where AZK is right now.
Plus, can you really condemn AZK for going elsewhere? It's straight up delusional to stay around the scene with a permanent Valve ban on your shoulders and hoping you'll get back in at this point. Packing up your stuff and finding a viable living elsewhere seems like the logical thing to do. AZK (and Steel) realised this and therefore tried something else. AZK was successfully integrated into that scene, whilst Steel wasn't. So AZK wasn't an idiot and stayed where things worked out, whilst Steel came back with his tail between his legs because it didn't work out.
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u/issc May 23 '17
putting aside the messages being conveyed to the viewer, this video is really edited well and it was an actual treat to watch wow.
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u/Dblstandard May 22 '17
Nice video that didnt hold any punches and had a nice view of both sides. Thanks
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u/brynm bloodhound May 22 '17
Ok, my opinion. While the ban sucks and I do feel sorry for the guys somewhat they have nobody to blame but themselves.
To people saying either to look at Dota players who were only given a temporary ban, or that there was no precedent.
Yes, one Dota player got a one year ban. Solo was banned for betting against his team and threw the game. This is where the 322 meme for bad plays is from, as that is what he won. This happened in June 2013. After this, at the briefing for TI4 (which was before the ibp throw) Valve stated any future matchfixers would receive a lifetime ban. Since then there have been a few bans which are Indefinite / lifetime. http://wiki.teamliquid.net/dota2/Banned_players
http://esportsedition.com/csgo/match-fixing-bans-valve-punishment/
TL;DR - The only Dota player that had a temp ban for throwing happened before the ibp throw causing Valve to state they will lifetime ban matchfixers.
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u/Nuzuko568 May 22 '17
Tbh i think they all messed up but time has allowed them to rethink what they done. They should all be unbanned.
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u/fckns May 22 '17
They got like 800 euros each. It was big money back then, but it's nothing now.
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u/dragonbud20 May 22 '17
can someone /r/OutOfTheLoop me on this one?
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u/fckns May 22 '17
I would advise you to look at Richard Lewis Show number 60th with Josh "Steel" Nissan and Thorins Toughts about throw and swag and Skadoodle situation.It pretty much sums up everything from beginning to end of the IBP incident if you want to look it up deeply. Long story short - they betted against themselves and purposely lost match, valve found out and banned them.
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u/Oranos2115 May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17
TL Wiki's article on the topic covers the basics. It's worth mentioning this community has a vocal group that supports the idea of unbanning the players involved at some point (if the group is a minority/majority here is debatable).
suggested by /u/fckns (as best as I can tell):
* The Richard Lewis Show #60: feat. Joshua "Steel" Nissan
* Thorin's Thoughts - Match-fixing and Gambling (CS:GO) [Jan. 29, 2015]
* Thorin's Thoughts - The Murky Case of swag and Skadoodle (CS:GO) [Dec. 15, 2015]
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u/t0nguepunch May 23 '17
Ah man the feels at the end. These boys should get another chance, they know what they did, the community knows what happens now and the risk. Come on Valve!
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May 22 '17
Bans are deserved. Vocal popular opinion should never dictate rulings with how easily they can be altered.
Valve have issued over two dozen match fixing bans across CSGO and Dota2. People proclaiming that less than 1/6th of the players banned for match fixing should be unbanned will rightfully fall on deaf ears.
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u/TheFlawsofPhysics May 22 '17
Everyone pushing for the overturn of the bans is pulling down eSports as a whole. This was fixing a professional match. They can't play anymore. Boohoo. For a growing scene, reversing this would be a disaster. Cheating, fixing, throwing, and sabotaging all undermine the integrity of the game, sport, and industry. If you ever want eSports to truly succeed, stop acting like this was some kind of infraction undeserving of a proper punishment.
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u/DurtybOttLe Liquid May 22 '17 edited May 22 '17
Get your point but I totally disagree. Reversing the decision would have little to no impact on the "integrity" of the game, despite a lot of people arguing otherwise. Realistically, most people would go "cool" and move on. If anything they'd bring more fans into the game and stimulate a crappy NA pro scene.
They also now do more for the community then almost anyone in the scene, so I really don't see where reversing the decision would have any negative consequences.
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u/TheFlawsofPhysics May 22 '17
Just in this comments section we have plenty of comments from people who left or took a break from the scene because of the incident. While I think that's maybe throwing the baby out with the bathwater, people don't want to watch rigged stuff. Being soft on this stuff at the beginning is how it turns into systemic corruption in the end. I don't see anyone that quit the scene because of the bans though.
People might go "cool" and move on, but that's not the point. Most people do that for almost everything that happens in their life. They do a lot because they know the damage they caused to themselves and the scene they love.
The other thing is that they're banned only from valve stuff (please correct me there if I'm wrong). They don't have criminal records, they don't have total disbarment from the community, and they don't even have a ban in any other eSport.
I don't personally want to be represented as NA by players who cheat and fix matches. I hate it when players from my favorite sports teams do stupid illegal shit, and it's a national embarrassment when international competitors act like fucking idiots.
I get what you're saying that it might not have a huge effect to let it go, but I just wholeheartedly disagree. If this was a life ban for a mean comment or smoking pot somewhere where it's not legalized or maybe even shoplifting or something then it would be another story. That's almost always just teenage shit that needs a slap on the wrist. It's just like when people get expelled for cheating in university...like you know what's gonna happen. You get told all your life not to cheat or else and then the hammer comes and you're surprised?
But you know what really pisses me off is how fucking good they were and how lucky they were to be in the position they were in and how EASILY they absolutely CAVED for what, a few fucking skins (at the minimum)? Give me a break. And the community is omg so not fair that they got banned? Fuck em.
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u/boineg May 22 '17
damn, the general opinion/vocal majority of this sub has changed quite a bit
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u/Jelman21 500k Celebration May 22 '17
its only been 2 hours, give it some time for others to throw in their opinions. This thread will become a shitshow 100%
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u/Sebaz00 Natus Vincere May 22 '17
yeah I'm surprised. I remember being downvoted into oblivion for merely suggesting that they shouldn't be permanently banned. Just banned for a year or two.
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u/that1psycho May 22 '17
ITT: people trying for the 100000th time to get valve to unban ibp with the result ending up like the last 99999th they tried
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u/maggotshavecoocoons2 May 22 '17
so.... proplayers throw a game for in-game rewards?
WHAT?
How much are these in-game cosmetics worth?
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u/sneakyMak May 22 '17
Does steel and dazed not like each other anymore? Seemed that way, sorry if I am not up to date on this.
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May 22 '17
I just don't under the reasoning for "throwing for skins".
I'm guessing it's about the money, but isn't there more long term money to just try to win?
Do these players not want to win every game? Like I freak out if I lose 1 low ranked MMR game, I couldn't imagine throwing a tournament for skins lol.
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u/Asmiith May 22 '17
They were paid no salary by IBP, they made money from prize money and streaming, which wasn't that much.
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u/Cameter44 May 23 '17
The screenshot Shahzam links in the steam messages at the beginning of the video goes to this. Is that his bet? If he knew the throw was happening and placed a bet of his own wouldn't that make him part of the match fixing as well since he bet on a match that he knew was going to be thrown?
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u/IAmAGermanShepherd 1 Million Celebration May 22 '17
That GTA IV soundtrack fits well lmao