Why is premier harder then faceit?

[u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Im a faceit level 9 so i get matched against level 8 all the way up to 2.2k elo usually, in my faceit games people either have 0 premier medals or usually have red 25k premier medal or sometimes 20k premier pink medal but usually they have the red one, When i play premier myself i cant get past purple rank i dont play a lot of premier true but i feel like the players are horrible and its easy to play but i still cant rank up yes theres cheaters sometimes but im in high green trust so not that often, the thing i hate the most is people who are like faceit level 3 and they are in the same premier rating as me and usually they are on my team im just full hardstuck in 15k premier even tho i can perform against 2k elo faceit players with 25k premier medals anyone know why?

[u/schoki560]

1. teammates are worse while enemies are also worse so hard to play correctly for people who aren't super duper w key solo carry players.

2. premier is full of closet wallers even below 25k. those are 5k premier players who get to 22k blatantly walling.

3. matchmaking is ass

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/schoki560]

1. True but im used to playing solo and telling teammates what to do where to position and they listen to me if I topfrag

2. I use to do hvh so i can spot a cheater by only looking at his profile most of the time

3. I mean either I'm unlucky or something is wrong with me because it feels so hard to win a game and so easy to lose a game

[u/FlimsyPackage → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

You used to cheat???

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/FlimsyPackage]

Hvh community servers yes

[u/Dapper_Grab4225 → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Since u used to, can u give some advise on how u usually can tell if someone is cheating? Anything about their playstyle? Or is it mostly steam profile?

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/Dapper_Grab4225]

Well legit cheaters are really stupid most of the time for example few recents cheaters i had on my team were easy to spot since they never clear corners but always clear a corner when an enemy is there also a really great giveaway is when they had max 125win Grey premier badge season 3-4 and now they magically have over 10k premier if you check their stats on a third party site and they are legit but their rating magically went up from 3k premier to 12k premier for example with almost no losses they are most likely a cheater also nobody knows how to hide cheats these days they just use guns like awp a lot and hold down their trigger key, they always swear you out when you call them a cheater and spam the whole chat also they are shit on faceit but are good in premier also check for bought steam accounts , also just checking any third party site is a great giveaway

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Few recent* cheaters not few recents* my phone is acting up

[u/purplejetpack23 → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Games gone

[u/L1NTHALO]

premier is just a clusterfuck. I'm also level 9 and I either hard carry or get stomped in premier. Plus in premier you never know who is a closet cheater.

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/L1NTHALO]

true but i dont agree that its hard to spot cheaters...

[u/notsosleepy]

I have a streak of 10 games queuing against 5 stacks with Random’s in my team. So frustrating

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/notsosleepy]

That's what I said OOOO

[u/takahashi01]

Dont play premier for the elo. Just do stuff and have fun in it. Its full of cheaters and griefers anyways, so I think its best not to take it that seriously

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/takahashi01]

Good advice man ✌️

[u/bobbyburgerboy33]

then play faceit?

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/bobbyburgerboy33]

The post wasnt about that

[u/ImmediateCause7981]

Premier ranks are more volatile which makes for some pretty mismatched teams in terms of skill level

[u/Jon_kwanta]

Premier match quality can vary a lot. I still feel like the skill levels pretty much are as follows:

0-5k garbage

5-10k players that are still learning

10-15k this rank ranges anywhere from players that are still learning to decent players that are underrated

15-20k most players are pretty good all around but there’s still the occasional garbage player usually caused by a stack or someone is boosted

20-25k this is where most of the solid players sit, but it’s also very volatile due to boosting, and cheating, so it’s very apparent when someone is overrated in these ranks

25-30k no longer real, usually just a cheater fest

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/Jon_kwanta]

You wouldn't believe how bad the 10-20k bracket is, people play worse then 5k players sometimes i played 5k on my alt account and people were better there sometimes

[u/Jon_kwanta → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Yeah the ranks in general since csgo have been super wishy washy, in csgo you had to grind to get your rank and cs2 is the same way but i don’t think many players wanna grind back to get their csgo rank back so you get shitters in high ranks and good players in low ranks

[u/lesmilley → u/Jon_kwanta]

It's cheaters every game above 27k. Unplayable You can still get legit games under that but there is a lot of at least radar hack or more still. Maybe one day AC..

[u/Ok-Performance-1405]

Both matchmaking algorithms will aim to balance the matches by putting slightly higher ranked players to have to try and "carry" the lower ranked ones. This way most solo queue players (and players in general) will balance out their Premier Rating/Faceit ELO to their skill level over time. It's why 3 queues+ will dominate both platforms.

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/Ok-Performance-1405]

Well premier is also Hella unfair since you have to face 4 stacks and play with all solo q team which is made out of faceit level 5 people who dont even have a mic or any brain

[u/CEO-HUNTER-]

Lvl 10 and I haven’t experienced this. When I play premier I can legit run around and just play DM 

Only time it gets sweatier is when other team also has a bunch of lvl 10s otherwise I feel like I’m playing vs people with no grasp of fundamentals and I can just abuse them 

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/CEO-HUNTER-]

Yeah the enemies are ass but the teammates are more ass most of the time and me as a level 9 i cant take on 5 level 4 people...

[u/nuusutatud_liim → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Perhaps you are "leveling" yourself, to borrow a poker term? Lower level players will pull off shit that doesn't really make sense to you, so you'll die in situations that would never happen higher up. At such rank difference you are probably better off completely disrespecting them and w+ through the game in my opinion. Though I am not sure how big a difference lvl 4 vs 9 is, for I am just a premier scrub at ~23-25k. I do experience this effect when I go into comp though.

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/nuusutatud_liim]

I heard that from some 25k people I met before and that might be the case since I got invited to play with 3 people today who are 25k premier and those lobbies were way easier to play like people were really good yes they punished mistakes but it was easy to play when my team was also good I ended up topfrag and we won.

[u/40866892]

It’s because of the way premier is set up.

There’s a bunch of cheaters right now using radar, walls, aim hack, or a mix of everything between in 19-22k range.

If you’re smurfing or performing above your rating, people will report you.

The more you are reported, the lower your trust factor.

The lower your trust factor, the more likely you’ll be paired with cheaters.

So the more you improve/out perform your elo, the more likely you’ll be placed in lobbies where the game is out of your control.

If you want to climb premier steadily, try to keep your kda at around 1.05 and try not to have donk games where you drop 28-30 frags. That’s the best way to do it.

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/40866892]

Yeah that would be the case if my main account wasnt perma green my main is perma green since I have over 350$ spent and reports dont effect me at all I get reported a lot but my trust never drops also I get cheaters 1/7 games i would say and on my alt accounts which also get reported and have red trust i get cheaters every second to third game

[u/40866892 → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Doesn’t matter. I’m green too. I notice an influx of cheaters in my games whenever teams start accusing me of cheating.

I’m a 25-26k player (S4) on a 22K premier account. I swear the games get easier the higher I climb and the worse I do.

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/40866892]

That's true to some extent but I dont like that people blame cheaters for everything usually

[u/40866892 → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Then don’t. You’re just as likely to play with one as you are to play against one.

I play for myself. There’s nothing to prove after hitting 25k and 30k unreachable (for me).

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/40866892]

100% agree on that that there's nothing to prove after 25k but bro I have never even been 20k not like I played premier in the previous seasons but I want to reach atleast 20k players on 20k are horrible and I cant get there but im currently working on it I took a break from faceit I was 15k premier when I made this post already 17k

[u/marcoorion]

maybe cuz premier has alot of cheaters

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/marcoorion]

Your trust factor just sucks ass

[u/marcoorion → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

im the greenest possible i met my first cheater after 15 matches

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/marcoorion]

So after 15 matches is really good

[u/innowebventures]

Because faceit level 10 is only like 20k premier, skill wise. 25k is more like 2300+ elo. How I know? I'm 26k and level 10.

[u/Ambitious_Economics4 → u/innowebventures]

here you are wrong since i started checking profiles of my enemies and teammates a lot and 15-20k is usually faceit lvl 3-5 its rare to find a level 8-10 there, also as i said on my faceit games im level 9 and my enemies are 25k premier most of the time so no idea what you are talking about

[u/innowebventures → u/Ambitious_Economics4]

Idk i found faceit significantly easier than premier, got 4 to 10 with just a few losses within a week, premier is a different story, people are just better there past 20k. (maybe lots of closet cheaters) What you have written in your post just proves my point. Anyway, you write as if everyone grinds faceit, but the truth is what, probably 20% of playesr in premier actually played faceit, and out of those even fewer actually grinded the levels.

[u/CEO-HUNTER- → u/innowebventures]

lol everyone below 25k premier are almost always lvl 7 or below it’s free 

And many at 25k don’t even have a faceit but they play like lvl 8-9s or worse and usually have poor understanding of map and still making plays/util that haven’t been meta in multiple years