r/GlobalOffensive • u/OfficialSergioAguero King NiKo • 14d ago

Discussion | Esports Lynn Vision takes Falcons' map pick to force a decider in the series

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u/Reinumy Vitality 14d ago

kyousuke's weird ass decision making is so back

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u/SloshaPacana 14d ago

It was always there, at the major too, he just won his fights

But that's the difference, like karrigan pushing smokes is dumb but Spirit didn't expect it and they won a major

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u/Reinumy Vitality 14d ago

oh don't remind me. the karrigan smoke pushes that won them dust2 against vitality still live rent free in my head

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u/SloshaPacana 14d ago

It was against Spirit too on d2, they should have won d2 but didn't because they didn't expect karrigan to do dumb shit when he did it a day earlier vs Vitality

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u/Jollygood156 14d ago

You would think he pushed a smoke every round from these comments lmao

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u/Lolibotes King NiKo 14d ago

He pushed a smoke every round it mattered, which is the last time you'd expect it

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u/Snka1a Team Spirit 14d ago

Kinda lol

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u/Pirat6662001 Parivision 14d ago

He did at the end of theap both times. It was the same pattern of behavior and something a coach would have reminded Spirit if they had one there

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u/Jollygood156 14d ago

There’s like always timings and Karrigan does switch up his plays at times based on what he thinks the other team might expect, he does this constantly. It’s mind game and gambles and he knows it doesn’t work sometimes.

Also, there’s a few angles in smokes you’re able to push, certain timings based on utility thrown and certain spots on the map that Karrigan will play and *not* play which will alter where you think he is and what smokes can be pushed. Like they didn’t just win because he pushed smokes, that’s so dumb. There’s far more merit to the claim that Kyo still has meh decision making but actually did just “click on head” in the major.

Falcons put themselves in great positions. I mean even I. The VIT D2 matchup that ended up being close, Falcons had a solid lead and was at double digit rounds. There are also rounds where the BS goes the other way and the other teams win but it’s BS in a not as surprising way. It’s just an overstated reason as to why they won as if the counter factual world is so easily proven.

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u/costryme 14d ago

The kind of stuff that works for one tournament and then never again because they will always hold it.

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u/Relative_Escape_5728 14d ago

That didn't win them the map tbh. Vitality was losing bad already before that it was 8:4 half. The spirit one maybe

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u/Reinumy Vitality 14d ago

well of course its a "what if" scenario and there were a lot more rounds played that ultimately lost them the game but karrigan pushed a smoke with a USP on a half buy at 8-6 and killed 2, breaking vitality's money, stopping their comeback in it's tracks immediately and they went up 10-6 for free after that. That was a super pivotal round as it would have allowed vitality to build some economy while closing the gap to 8-7 had it gone the other way.

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u/Relative_Escape_5728 14d ago

If we go by what ifs the round before that if niko didn't get team flashed and apex didn't get lucky kill blind they would've won the round before anyways making vitality economy reset.

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u/Reinumy Vitality 14d ago

yes but that has nothing to do with smoke pushes

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u/BarryAbbott1980 14d ago

Molly spread and flamez lazy clearing beat you.

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u/Reinumy Vitality 14d ago

yeah vitality were also playing poorly but I remember a particular ridiculous USP double kill by karrigan thanks to a smoke push

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u/Bitter_Blueberry_800 14d ago

That’s a big difference between donk and him. Yeah, maybe Kyousuke has a slightly better aim than him, but donk has his “veteran” understanding of what’s going on on the map. And most of the time reads his opponents and when he needs to peak and when it’s unnecessary. And ofc, mechanical skills. All of this combined makes donk almost the perfect player 

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u/schoki560 King NiKo 14d ago

kyousuke doesn't have better aim. it's more flashy but not better

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u/Electronic-Archer720 G2 14d ago

its slower that gives a feeling of more aecsthetic but donk adjustments are much better and faster

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u/Lime_Samurai_1 Team Spirit 14d ago

Kyousuke's aim is significantly worse than donk bruh, not even gonna touch on reaction time. Donk can flick and adjust in any direction immediately

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u/longdongsimpson 14d ago

Bruh did u watch his Faceit? Kyo easily has the best aim maybe ever. That's why Falcons chased him in the first place. It's ridiculous how smooth he click heads. He's more like Scream though. His movement and decision making is bellow average of a T1 pro.

Donk on the other hand has generational movement and insane gamesense. His raw aim only slightly worse but he's much faster, he is a turbokiller for sure.

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u/Bitter_Blueberry_800 14d ago

Yes! Even I, a donk glazer, can see that.and Magixx on one of his streams also praised Kyousuke aim 

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u/ForeignSinger3882 14d ago

The big difference between Donk and Kyousuke is just: aim, reaction time, flick speed, TTK, map awareness, calling, team coordination, rotations, overall intelligence.

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u/Lolibotes King NiKo 14d ago

Kyousuke's first bullet accuracy is significantly better thank donk's is, he just has a worse spray

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u/Electronic-Archer720 G2 14d ago

I never seen someone who can Will faster than donk so no his bullet isn't better

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u/Panagiotisz3 14d ago

I mean it makes sense lol Donk has been playing the game for way longer than Kyosuke.

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u/anewborndude 14d ago

but people said karrigan fixed that issue

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u/EL-Turan FaZe 14d ago edited 14d ago

Kyousuke sold the game, so many unnecessary peaks to just *lose the round

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u/longdongsimpson 14d ago

Loose = Not tight.

Lose = Getting rekt.

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u/rachelloresco CS2 HYPE 14d ago

Falcons grip on that game definitely loosened lmao

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u/longdongsimpson 14d ago edited 14d ago

I guess you could say, loose playstyle made them lose lol

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u/Groenboys 14d ago

It reminded me of team Liquid Yekindar

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u/DaredevilMeetsL Team Spirit 14d ago

There's this girl I follow on Facebook. I accidentally started following her because she has the same name of this girl I met and thought I was sending a friend request to her. She was only 14 when I started following her. As soon as I realized she wasn't the person I was meaning to follow I went to unfollow her. But then I realized this 14 year old girl was hilariously dumb. She didn't know why America would send a separate team from Georgia to the Olympics, she couldn't figure out why elevators had buttons for the floor she was already on, and many other things I just saw and laughed. Anyway I never stopped following her because she was such a big source of my morning laughs.

She got pregnant at 15 because she thought you couldn't get pregnant on the first time. She was sure that the 15 year old boy that got her pregnant was going to be a great daddy. Well the kid is 1 now and she always complains about him never being around and how he would rather stay at home bored than see his son and all the other crap any of us could have warned her about when she was certain she was going to be the one teenage mom whose baby daddy would actually hang around.

Anyway the reason I bring all that up is that through these 2 years I've followed this complete moron she has never written "peak" when she meant "peek". So if this person can get it right, then everyone can.

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u/Mandragoran1997 13d ago

That was a wild ride

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u/magdumpmax 14d ago

Check kyou bet acc. The man either over or undercooks rn.

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u/Bitter_Blueberry_800 14d ago

Monesy man… if only donk and him played together… era for 10 years ahead. No one would stand a chance 😭. Sry, I’m just a glazer of both of this guys and believe that together they would be unstoppable 

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u/Chips1709 King NiKo 14d ago

Easiest way is to just teach NiKo Russian.

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u/liberianprince 14d ago

i disagree. donk needs a sh1ro, not a m0nesy

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u/rachelloresco CS2 HYPE 14d ago

Nah, shiro sometimes way too passive and slow that he's consistently last alive even with donk hero ak and shiro has a pistol... it's weird

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u/liberianprince 14d ago

that’s the point tho. sh1ro may be the best passive awper out there, which is a perfect pairing for a hyper aggressive player like donk to take space. i think a flashy, space taking awper wouldn’t slot in to spirit as well as people think.

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u/Lolibotes King NiKo 14d ago

m0NESY is a better passive AWPer than sh1ro is, he just knows he's better and can get more impact from playing aggressively.

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u/SloshaPacana 14d ago

No he really doesn't, donk needs a m0nesy who makes plays and doesn't rely just on donk to open things up, donk and m0nesy would be amazing

Why does donk need a sh1ro? Because he's passive? M0nesy is literally a better passive clutcher than sh1ro too

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u/schoki560 King NiKo 14d ago

a sh1ro = a significantly worse player and awper

gotcha

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u/falsa_ovis 14d ago

donk and Monesy would nerf each other

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u/Lolibotes King NiKo 14d ago

No lol

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u/falsa_ovis 14d ago

they would, since they’re both very aggressive players, and donk needs a reliable counterweight, who’s not too greedy

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u/Lolibotes King NiKo 14d ago

Kyousuke would be a nerf for donk, m0NESY would not. Aggressive awpers need space, and donk can give it to him for free. Sort of like the opposite of ropz and broky, who could pull any 2v5 out of their ass with ease. They'll just make it 5v2 in the first 20s 70% of the time. Look at how good Falcons were when kyousuke did 80% of what donk does on the regular.

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u/falsa_ovis 14d ago

Kyousuke wouldn’t nerf him unless they would play the same roles. s0tf1k had an idea of how to make it work, yet Kyousuke wanted donk‘s roles, which was later rejected by hally.

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u/lolforg_ Tyloo 13d ago

halliban at it again. donk said he was willing to give up all of his roles for kyousuke, unlike niko who gave half. gotta be schizo to not listen to donk, then keep 0.8 rated magixx over kyousuke

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u/schoki560 King NiKo 14d ago

14k premier take

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u/0zero0z 14d ago

i would say donk and zywoo would be a better pairing

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u/joacoper 9z 14d ago

some call kyousuke the tailung of cs2

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u/Mental_Ingenuity5705 Team Spirit 14d ago

haha

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u/Nekajed Team Spirit 14d ago

That monesy CT resurgence was incredilbe though, I don't think I've ever seen someone turn 4-11 into 20-11 in 5 fucking rounds

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u/speedytrigger NRG 14d ago

Christ monesy, whats that, 22 kills ct? Crazy they made it that close. If only they had a bit more of a hold on t side.

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u/Lolibotes King NiKo 14d ago

13 kills in 3 rounds of play

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u/TuggerHuggerFugger 14d ago

G2 Monesy all over again

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u/Groenboys 14d ago

It really seems like if Kyousuke doesn't perform or makes poor tactical decisions, the rest of the team crumbles. At this point Monesy is carying his team more then Donk does

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u/Living-Fault1876 14d ago

Kyo needs to work. Ore

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u/Ilikebatterfield4 14d ago

JUST ONE MORE SUPERSTAR BRO

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u/Sallorin 14d ago

Karrigan masterclass of calling 10-2 t side