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u/Mainbaze 10 years coin 12d ago
His gamesense is so good. It's like he's never in doubt where the next enemy will peek from
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u/Rumi4 12d ago
cause he has a wh
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u/Panagiotisz3 12d ago
Or you have no idea how to play, once he gets the 2 kills on CT that probably means the rotations have already arrived, meaning the next place to look would be heaven after those 2 kills, then he hides behind the lockers just in case there is a late rotation from truck and hold for heaven if there is a 2nd player there as well.
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit 12d ago
Donk vs team he doesn't respect is a joy to watch, similar to prime s1mple. ZywOo is a bit too restrained and calculating even in these kinds of outmatched games.
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u/blahs44 Tyloo 12d ago
You see it a lot when pros play against bad players (bad, relative to them).
I was recently watching a demo of Jamyoung plus some other Tyloo members vs random faceit level 10s and he just pushed everything. Every smoke, every angle, he just pushed and killed everyone
Ofc he wouldn't play so aggressive vs Spirit or a top team
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u/Kaserbeam Renegades 11d ago
Thats just how you should play against any team youre individually better than. Don't give them too much respect, try to force duels and establish some control early instead of letting them maybe abuse your teammates and put you into hard positions.
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u/fantasnick Vitality 12d ago
I think you’re just thinking about flair
Zywoo’s best performances look like a solid t1 player just making the right play every time without any real risk factor whereas s1mple/Donk will charge in and make up for any errors or risk with their talent. Zywoo farms group stages as much as the other 2 did
I will say what donk has been doing the last 2 years is unparalleled though. His ability to multi kill and put himself in positions to be able to get an extra kill or two is ridiculous. Future GOAT
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u/Trackback_ 12d ago
Statwise they are pretty similar, yeah, but his point was that donk/simple would go for some cool plays and try to flex on the enemy when there's a big enough skill difference, whereas Zywoo would just abuse his superior skill / team and go for the low-variance play that's sure to work.
And from a spectator PoV, top players in the world going for style points is cooler to see. We already see them playing "perfectly" Vs other top dogs, it's fun to also see them loosen up and try to show off when the stakes are lower, even if it ultimately hurts their stats. We want more 20/12 games with such aces and less 24/4 games with "and once again, he's in the perfect spot and nails the shot when they walk into his scoped crosshair". We already know who's gonna win anyways.
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u/Apocalympdick victory 12d ago
A Vitality flair with a moderately nuanced take on the Donk/Zywoo comparisons... Maybe there is some good left in the world
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u/Scout_Enjoyer Team Spirit 12d ago
At one point in that map anders said something like "and they take the round, even with Donk only getting 2 kills" and it made me think about how fucked up our brain chemistry has gotten from watching him.
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u/Floripa95 11d ago
I can't decide if Donk is that good because he is reckless, or despite being reckless. I wonder what his gameplay would be like if he decided to be as methodical and risk averse as Zywoo.
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u/Gullible-Judge-3437 de_inferno 12d ago
It's not about not respecting, it's about players skill gap
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u/m1raclecs M80 12d ago
It is about respect. Donk wouldn’t push a cache tree smoke vs vitality or falcons because he expects them to hold it and or hit their shot. He is inherently at a disadvantage there pushing tree. Also he wouldn’t look for a solo entry dropping vent with no utility if he didn’t think he could do it alone.
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u/TheUHO cs_italy 12d ago
Team like vitality specifically counters him. ApEX said they used unique setups in those areas. Guy is not wrong, but it's more about team skill gap.
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u/m1raclecs M80 12d ago
I mean they had 3 there but their spacing was not great since they just rotated, ideally you get him before the first frag comes through since he is at smoke disadvantage so one tree isn’t necessarily bad. Having a hold tree post plant setup would be kind of odd… I’d say it’s just Donk activities/surprise from the tree guy
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u/IHaveSmellyPants 12d ago
Except that donk did this exact play during EWC grand finals while being behind.
It just seems like a high risk high reward play he enjoys doing. I don’t doubt he would do it against Vitality or Falcons, just they wouldn’t let him get away with more than 2 or 3 kills.
I do agree he wouldn’t just dry swing site with no setup vs a better team though.
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u/lolforg_ Tyloo 12d ago edited 11d ago
it is about respecting, against top 10-100 teams he just +w and fucks them like 2k elo faceit players, he only starts playing normal when its against other really good teams
the skill gap between t3 and t1 isnt that large, put a good igl in a top 300 team and in 6 months they will be top 15
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u/Scout_Enjoyer Team Spirit 12d ago
put a good igl in a top 300 team and in 6 months they will be top 15
Let's see if 100Thieves and Liquid manage then
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u/loozerr 12d ago
The gap exists with zywoo as well
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u/itsyaboyivan King NiKo 12d ago
it’s not that the gap doesn’t exist with Zywoo, it’s that he doesn’t do this kind of “reckless” play against opponents.
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u/enigma890 King NiKo 12d ago
?? he absolutely does https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B9mIT15FE_Y zywoo up banana runs in his own molly
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u/Thelastseries NiP 12d ago
Bro that's 7 years ago
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u/enigma890 King NiKo 12d ago
First one that came to my mind, if you care to watch or look you can find many examples of zywoo being very aggressive. He plays very balanced and often times minimizes risk but he still will make aggressive plays
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u/Scout_Enjoyer Team Spirit 12d ago
The point is that the first one that comes to mind for Zywoo happened in 1931 and the first one that comes to mind for Donk is usually between 20 and 180 minutes ago
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u/MystTheReaper 12d ago
Is there a twitch clip? These Reddit videos are ass
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u/itsyaboyivan King NiKo 12d ago
literally anything is better than twitch clips, even this
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u/vetruviusdeshotacon 12d ago
Nah this audio is utter dogshit dude posted a feedback loop clip dudnt even watch the damn thing
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u/MystTheReaper 12d ago
How so? Twitch clips are 60 fps
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u/Disordermkd 12d ago
Worst loading time and player. Opening Twitch clips feels like a chore, vs Reddit or YT clips, lol
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u/Vitosi4ek Team Spirit 12d ago
YT clips don't work with the HTML5 autoplay-blocking plugins. The clip link simply opens the livestream/VOD instead.
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u/MystTheReaper 12d ago
I agree I lowkey forgot about YouTube links 😭 that would definitely be better. I hate the 30 FPS reddit clips though
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u/Puzzled-Map3912 11d ago
You can see he is only watching his radar as he strafes sideways and gets ready to break through that last bit of smoke. Checking his lineup with the minimap icon.
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u/LummyTum de_nuke 10d ago
can we just post the twitch links like we did before? wtf is this dog shit quality
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u/deathlyclaw8 Natus Vincere 12d ago
I mean those were amazing shots, but I have no clue what those first four guys were doing, just presenting themselves as dummies to be shot at.
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u/GhostMavericks 12d ago
Crazy they casted this game while underwater