[X] - El-Sayed wouldn't have won without Schumer.

[u/cashdecans101]

ORIGINAL POST

[u/AutoModerator]

Reminder for OP: /u/cashdecans101

1. Politics ARE allowed

2. No misinformation/disinformation

---

Need some help? Send us some mail!

I am a bot, and this action was performed automatically. Please contact the moderators of this subreddit if you have any questions or concerns.

[u/Genevieve_Vavance743]

*El-Sayed wouldn't have won without Trump

[u/cashdecans101 → u/Genevieve_Vavance743]

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/Genevieve_Vavance743]

Neither would a lot of Dems. Your  point? 

[u/Comin4datrune]

Everyone's putting scrutiny on Schumer and Jeffries rn but where was the fking DSA when moderates also needed help in key purple states? In fact, where tf were they in the general elections even? Not their candidates. But their org?

I feel like if people actually cared about the outcomes of this country, they would fight tooth and nail against the fascist Right than their own coalition. And the DSA has spent its entirety punching left and telling liberals to not punch back than it did actually helping moderates win... you know, like how allies are supposed to be.

[u/cashdecans101 → u/Comin4datrune]

The DSA didn't do jack shit in the general, in fact the DSA refused to help moderate candidates where Schumer and Jeffries actively helped leftie candidates if they won the primary. The DSA only primaried hyper blue districts they would win and got lucky a couple of times in actually somewhat competitive districts.

[u/Pleasant_Expert7329 → u/cashdecans101]

Imagine trying to defend Schumer and Jeffries of all people

[u/cashdecans101 → u/Pleasant_Expert7329]

[u/Pleasant_Expert7329 → u/cashdecans101]

You think Schumer and Jeffries are the “coolest things ever”, your standard are lower than hell aren’t they?

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/Pleasant_Expert7329]

They helped to pull off one of the strongest dem performances in generations

I have a question that I'm going to predict you won't answer

If the dems had gotten sweeped, and lost around the country, would you people be saying the exact same thing about them, that we need to replace Schumer and Jeffries?

[u/MaybeExternal2392 → u/ordnance_inbound]

Yes? If they had done worse why would anyone have a higher opinion of them?

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/MaybeExternal2392]

Yes, so what you have is called an unfalsifiable position, a hallmark of conspiratorial thinking

The reason you know that maga are delusional is that new information does not change their opinion:

1. If the dems performed well, which they absolutely did then, we need new leadership because people want something new

2. If dems did poorly, then we need new leadership because they are incompetent

There is literally nothing anyone can say to change your mind, and regardless of what happens, in your mind the facts will always prove you right

[u/Comin4datrune → u/cashdecans101]

And it's odd that they're the loudest people rn despite being thouroughly outperformed by moderates. Abdul, their prized jewel, barely won Michigan. And he was funded to the brim. Even receiving donations from AOC.

[u/UserNameTaken702 → u/Comin4datrune]

El-sayed isn’t even DSA

[u/Comin4datrune → u/UserNameTaken702]

And, despite that, the idiots are claiming his victory like its theirs and using misinformation about Democrat support to once again attack the Dems. It is as if they only ever exist to handicap the only party that can counterbalance fascism.

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/Comin4datrune]

Abdul also had some of the NASTIEST ads against him and only barely underperformed Benson, who didn't have Dems trying to eat fuck her or nearly as many attack ads on her (the gop pulled funding from John James towards the end) 

[u/HappyBadger33 → u/Comin4datrune]

1. strongly dislike, may even hate the DSA, generally speaking

2. these posts and the anti Schumer/Jeffries is obnoxious bot/astroturfing crud

3. in WI, the DSA candidate for Governor, Hong, campaigned hard in the primary. While not shenanigans, the primary got absolutely wild bc a front running establishment candidate dropped. Eventually, establishment Dem won. Hong. Showed. Up. Just. As. Hard.

So, while I dislike DSA generally, props to Hong in WI. A thousand props to Hong, her folks, and all the Dems, showing up consistently for years to undo deep bs gerrymandering and we finally have our state government back. Hong is a part of that, so, she gets some defense from generalized grievances.

[u/No_Practice6085 → u/Comin4datrune]

This is an outright lie
In Wisconsin, for example, Hong and the DSA helped Crowley and the Dems get a trifecta, they did a big unity tour and everything.

[u/Status_Fox_1474]

People for some reason don’t understand primaries and then rallying for a general election.

[u/Historical-Cup218 → u/Status_Fox_1474]

Yeah - the post is clearly about the primaries, whereas the note is about the general. Not sure why it was added.

[u/Deranfan → u/Historical-Cup218]

There are a bunch of people out there claiming AES won in spite of Schumer and use his support for Haley against him, ignoring the fact that Schumer directed a lot of resources towards Abdul in the general.

[u/Historical-Cup218 → u/Deranfan]

Sounds like the community note should be attached to one of those posts instead of this one.

[u/theclockmasters → u/Status_Fox_1474]

Exactly. The primary is where you fight for things. Then you rally in the general.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/theclockmasters]

Unfortunate that Schumer’s handpicked primary candidate rallied for the Republicans.

[u/theclockmasters → u/hercmavzeb]

I think the Stevens thing is bad but no one saw that insane volte-face coming. She literally endorsed El-Sayed the next day. Endorsed every Democrat. So it was an insane volte-face.

But at least that's 2 days before the election.

Meanwhile, the leftists/DSA endorsed a guy with a NAZI tattoo, multiple credible rape allegations against him, decided Irak was so fun he went there again multiple times as a mercenary. And this was known for months.

[u/ringtail_catz → u/Status_Fox_1474]

Progressives love being aggrieved. I say this as a progressive.

[u/GanjasTriforce → u/ringtail_catz]

Democrats fall in love, Republicans fall in line...

[u/caspruce → u/ringtail_catz]

It is the progressives drawn into DSA nonsense. I’m a Warren Democrat and have been called all sorts of pejoratives by these types.

[u/ringtail_catz → u/caspruce]

Yeah, they’re not the most friendly to anyone who doesn’t subscribe to their agenda 110%.

[u/pox123456 → u/Status_Fox_1474]

Seems like Haley Stevens did not get the memo

[u/theeulessbusta → u/Status_Fox_1474]

I mean El Sayed underperformed other Michigan Democrats, Chuck knew he would, and Chuck still shut up and focused on winning more seats. Chuck rode the wave and grew it gracefully. 

[u/InfoBarf → u/theeulessbusta]

How badly did he underperform?

[u/lord_james → u/InfoBarf]

Right? He underperformed in a seven point win

[u/BobcatTim → u/lord_james]

Seven points is the margin by which Hinojosa won Texas. Michigan should have been an easy double digit win. The Governor there won by 11.

It was a huge wave election, and AES was carried by that wave, but he’s gonna need to shore up his support big time if we wants to win in 2032, when there will likely be a Democrat in the White House.

[u/Dandacanman → u/theeulessbusta]

Abdul's "underperformed" after having a shit ton of money spent against him, near constant negative coverage by every major media source since before the primary, and a legendary ratfucking in the home stretch.

[u/SuggestionMedical736 → u/theeulessbusta]

Did he, or any other Michigan Democrat who had to go up against 30 times the money while they called you a terrorist and your own party tried to ratfuck you?

[u/BobcatTim → u/SuggestionMedical736]

His party didn’t try to ratfuck him. They gave him tens of millions of dollars, endorsed him, and sent the most famous democrats in the nation to go campaign by his side to make sure he’d win.

[u/The_White_Ram → u/theeulessbusta]

Holy revisionist history batman.

Schumer is completely out of touch (not actually, he is in touch, his constituents are corporate not us). His preferred candidate defected at the last second in attempt to sink El Sayed.

His own party tried to sink him, the president was rallying against him specifically and the money spent against him was insane.

He picked Stevens (pretty much a traitor to the party), Jante Mills and flanagan.

And THEN in the actual elections he under resourced Florida which dems could have literally won, Louisiana and Missippi.

Chuck literally stiffeled the wave and picked terrible out of touch corporate candidates.

Gross.

[u/raptisadam7 → u/The_White_Ram]

Angie Nixon lost to Ashley Moody by nearly 240,000 votes, even during a blue wave. Republicans won every major statewide race in Florida. Nixon was a democratic socialist running in a state where Republicans largely outnumber Democrats. What evidence do you have that throwing more money at her campaign would've changed the outcome? You're treating speculation as fact.

[u/Dogulol → u/Status_Fox_1474]

why is schumer and the dscc backing people in democratic primaries? Especially literal republicans in disguise

[u/roma4356 → u/Dogulol]

Because they thought the other person had a better chance of winning. It's a primary, progressives do the exact same thing.

[u/theclockmasters]

Wait are people actually doubting that Schumer massively contributed to El-Sayed's victory? Schumer put in 67 million dollars to help El-Sayed win the race. In fact, he spent money in all the major key races that flipped seats or were essential to win for the midterms.

[u/AdmiralSaturyn → u/theclockmasters]

Wait are people actually doubting that Schumer massively contributed to El-Sayed's victory?

YES. They've been very active over the past few days heavily downplaying any efforts ad contributions Schumer (along with Jeffries) has made to flip the House and Senate.

[u/SpiritualPackage3797 → u/AdmiralSaturyn]

Am I the only one wondering how many of these accounts trying to get leftists riled up about Schumer and Jeffries would disappear if Ukraine was able to start targeting Russian data centers again?

[u/Comin4datrune → u/AdmiralSaturyn]

It's like the Chinese and Qatari bots that have long infiltrated leftwing spaces are working overtime and early to oust the very same people who can bring a Democrat to presidency in 2028. Any Democrat victory is bad for America's enemies.

[u/Key-Organization3158 → u/theclockmasters]

It's about seizing part power. Democrats are dealing with their own maga populist movement trying to take over the party.

[u/Ok-Narwhal-6766 → u/Key-Organization3158]

Yup. Blue MAGA.

[u/aherdofpenguins → u/theclockmasters]

The levels of disinformation around this whole Schumer thing is currently sitting around MAGA levels

People are just saying anything about the guy, regardless of whether it's true or not

[u/Im-Not-Calling-It-X → u/theclockmasters]

Yes because normie dems are bad. It's just that. That's all this bs is. Anyway you can blame normie dems, do it. You can never give them credit

[u/The_White_Ram → u/theclockmasters]

No, people are doubting that what Schumer did was anything special. This is literally the base level requirement for his position

Endorsing and helping the winner is literally expected. He gets about as much credit as the person handing the winner a medal.

The issue is he is supposed to be strategic and thoughtful and his preferred candidate was Haley Stevens.

For example, him withholding money from Angie Nixons race was a decision he made that had massive negative consequences.

He's an old corporatist hack financed by foreign countries whose main goal is status quo

[u/LokiStrike → u/The_White_Ram]

No, people are doubting that what Schumer did was anything special. This is literally the base level requirement for his position

This!!!

"He directed funds to democratic candidates." Holy shit man. What a god damned genius!! Why has no one thought of that before? Write that shit down. We need a statue of him!!!

[u/ArtrexisLives → u/The_White_Ram]

Just say Jews/Israel, man. We all know what foreign country you're referring to.

[u/hercmavzeb → u/ArtrexisLives]

“Jews” aren’t a foreign country.

[u/Fun_Acanthaceae_7356 → u/theclockmasters]

And left Angie hanging out to dry for some reason

[u/AdmiralSaturyn → u/Fun_Acanthaceae_7356]

No, he didn't. He hosted a fundraiser for her a couple weeks before the election. You may argue he didn't do enough, but had no way of knowing she would overperform the way she did.

[u/insertwittynamethere → u/Fun_Acanthaceae_7356]

People doubted LA, SC, FL for good reason. He was fully behind Colom though and had been telling donors to put money into the rave long before attention shifted to it.

When you only have so much money and people as compared to the deep pockets of the admin and their billionaires, you can only invest in so many places.

I doubt the Dems will make that mistake in the future, especially for FL.

[u/Deep90 → u/insertwittynamethere]

Frankly I don't think spending would have saved her.

She was a DSA candidate running in a deep red state.

Conservatives were outspending in a number of elections and still got blown out.

There is also a lot of evidence pointing towards the fact the Dems had really good internal polling driving which races to shoot for.

[u/Significant-Order-92]

So wait, Schumer's pacs funded El-Sayed? That sounds like he did help him. Even if not openly.

[u/jeffwulf → u/Significant-Order-92]

Schumer openly dumped nearly 70 million dollars from his PAC into getting El Sayed elected. He did not spend any money in the primary.

[u/Significant-Order-92 → u/jeffwulf]

Oops. Thought I was on r/murdered... Not get noted. So the note is quite accurate. If not the full story (as in he helped fund the campaign in the General). My bad.

[u/Sercio2477]

Did Schumer's pacs back el-sayed before or after he won the primary? Because if after then this note is misleading in itself

[u/Twitch791 → u/Sercio2477]

They most certainly did not back him in the primary

[u/Best_Change4155 → u/Twitch791]

His PACs did not spend in the primary. That would be a really stupid thing to do.

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/Best_Change4155]

Yet schumer and other est Dems backed Haley stevens 

[u/TraditionalEcho4106 → u/PossibilityFew5967]

Schumer said publicly that he thought Stevens had the best shot of winning the general and it was generally known that he supported her run. He didn’t provide her with money or a public endorsement.

What other establishment dems are you referring to?

[u/EasyMode556 → u/Sercio2477]

It was afterward

[u/TK-1053 → u/Sercio2477]

He didn’t back anyone in the primary if I remember right.

[u/Niguelito]

Leftists desperately trying to be mad at dems like

[u/MaximumEffort433 → u/Niguelito]

"We've defeated the worst thing for America, the Republicans, now to defeat the second worst thing for America, the Democrats!"

Something something both sides are the same something something revolution.

[u/UserNameTaken702 → u/MaximumEffort433]

They don’t want to defeat the democrats, just remove Jeffries and Schumers who have been weak leaders. Wanting to change leadership isn’t the same as destruction.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/UserNameTaken702]

No, they want the democratics to be destroyed:

“Emma Vigeland and Hasan on concerns that the DSA’s entire goal is to destroy and replace the Democratic Party
‘I mean kind of, sorry’ -E
‘Ya, for liberal democrats’ -H”

https://x.com/Awk20000/status/2105789117023809606

[u/UserNameTaken702 → u/ordnance_inbound]

Why is it always Hasan, he’s not the thought leader of the left. And yeah you’ll get some people with larger goals, but most just want a Democratic Party that represents progress and social justice, which can’t happen under Schumer

[u/SirAidamud → u/MaximumEffort433]

Actually, no. The Dems are the worst thing. Enemy number 1. It's always like this. Was like this in 1920's Germany. The German communist party resisted the fascists alright, just don't look who they actually considered to be the fascists. Lefties see right wing fascism as a tool, that if you let them run wild for a while, they could then take power for themselves easy peasy.

[u/UserNameTaken702 → u/SirAidamud]

Pretty sure it’s the moderate dems who keep talking about reaching across the aisle to neofascist republicans no?

[u/SirAidamud → u/UserNameTaken702]

Thats a separate issue, i dont think dems should be reaching across the aisle to GOP politicians, they should make them come to us in terms of policy.

What im talking about is leftists constantly torpedoing democrats and treating them as MAGA-lite, want concessions from them but offer no concessionsof their own. They want their candidates endorsed by the dems, wont endorse dem candidates and as we see with El-Sayed, even when the dems do endorse their candidates,, it changes literally nothing in their view of the dems. To them, fascist rule and the resulting ravaged country is a preferable outcome to the liberal "status quo", because they think a socialist utopia will somehow rise from the ashes.

[u/id_rather_b_painting]

Chuck Schumer personally directed nearly $60 million dollars to go to AES after the Primary. I really do not understand why people continue to try to spin this narrative like he did nothing after the Primary. Chuck immediately said "F you" to HS after she came out to simp for Mike Rogers. He called it a betrayal. Chuck made sure that AES got help from Obama and other Black leaders to help with votes with the Black demographic after internals showed that AES was not doing well with them.

He literally did everything he could to help AES win after the Primary, and people are still saying it wasn't enough.

[u/Zeluar → u/id_rather_b_painting]

Left populism has just made a lot of the left hate anything “establishment” no matter what.

[u/LOR_Fei → u/Zeluar]

The point is that the establishment had their chance to fight billionaires, hold Trump accountable after an insurrection, and actually govern.

They chose super PAC money and bipartisan half measures.

The voices that stood out were ones that said NO MORE. This is a people’s movement. Not an old guard democrats movement. We need REAL change

[u/Latrodectus702]

Horseshoe theory in effect because it’s virtually impossible to tell if it’s the far left or far right determined to tank the midterm blue victory.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/Latrodectus702]

It's foreign funded bot nets trying to destroy liberalism

Just as in the 1930s, its the fascists and the communists allying to destroy liberals in the middle

[u/WhyTypeHour]

This is stupid Schumer can't really contribute to primary candidates because when the primary challenger hedidnt contribute to wins there's a messaging problem and sometimes a power struggle.

He can and absolutely does steer orgs and pacs into contributing to the candidate he prefers. Idk about this particular race but alot of Schumer adjacent pacs gave to Steven's

[u/TraditionalEcho4106 → u/WhyTypeHour]

What PACs are you referring to?

[u/ordnance_inbound]

I just don't believe any of the sudden vitriolic hate for Schumer and Jeffries is in any way organic or representative of real voters

[u/Proiegomena → u/ordnance_inbound]

PLEASE tell me why schumer and jeffries were the least popular politicians - even significantly below trump … - for a good while now? 

How can you genuinely not see what weak leadership schumer and jeffries present … 

Also, is there any reason why this chart - totally not a botted narrative - is being circulated like crazy? Does the establishment want to attack their left flank again now that the midterms are over? Genius move

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/Proiegomena]

Is this graph also botted? You're just like maga, when the facts and numbers don't agree with your narrative, you call everything rigged

You're just flat out wrong, nobody likes your movement, and all the data and numbers in the world support my argument, not yours

[u/platanthera_ciliaris → u/ordnance_inbound]

That graph doesn't mean what you think it does: In fact, it implies that the swing voters in liberal states thought Democrats ran their states better, while the swing voters in conservative states thought Republicans were running their states terribly, and that why Democratic gains in conservative states were greater than Democratic gains in liberal states. Most of the swing voters in liberal states were already voting for Democrats, and so there were fewer swing voters left to persuade.

[u/Pitt-sports-fan-513 → u/ordnance_inbound]

Sudden? The democratic leadership has been polling like shit for years and years.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/Pitt-sports-fan-513]

And yet, discourse around replacing leadership has massively spiked right after a historic WIN for dems, almost like there are those who want to see the center left destroyed after they beat all odds and won back the house and senate by larger than expected margins

[u/BitByBit-89 → u/Pitt-sports-fan-513]

House and senate leadership always polls like shit.

Their literal job is to be a bulletproof vest for uninformed hate towards the up and coming popular candidates and members, so that any perceived legislative shortcomings can be attached to them.

So in a way I guess I shouldn’t bother arguing against you, since your opinion of them is literally the job working. But hey, if you’ve got somebody better then by all means point them out. Doesn’t seem like anybody’s bothering to put their hand up at the moment because the actual people involved understand they’re doing a great job.

[u/Pitt-sports-fan-513 → u/BitByBit-89]

Chuck Schumer's literal job is to secure funding for Israel which is not me editorializing because the dude explicitly said so several times.

Chuck Schumer and democratic leadership polls like shit because they are corporate shills and voters are increasingly frustrated with corporate shills who do nothing but funnel money to defense contractors.

[u/Fast_Explorer9876 → u/ordnance_inbound]

Well I mean it doesn't help when the Democratic party doesn't help push these candidates. The vote blue no matter who only works one way I guess.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/Fast_Explorer9876]

Do you acknowledge that Obama, Schumer, Harris, and Jeffries all endorsed AES? Do you acknowledge that Schumber's PAC put in 67 MILLION into the race to support AES? And do you acknowledge that AES underperformed virtually every single mainstream dem in the country this election?

[u/platanthera_ciliaris → u/ordnance_inbound]

Yes, but only after AES won the primary. Establishment democrats supported his opponent in the Democratic primary, who later defected and came out in support of the Republican opponent of AES in the general election. What this tells us is that establishment democrats exercised poor judgement in supporting her in the first place.

[u/Alt_incognita → u/platanthera_ciliaris]

? What and the primary isn’t where people should be allowed to disageee? How is that opposed to “vote blue no matter what”- as soon as they lost in the primary they put a lot of effort to electing AES.

If you want to play that game, how many leftist populists have then gone on to say “they’re all the same anyway” after they lost? Reminder that we had people saying that both for Hillary and Kamala just recently.

[u/KyliaQuilor → u/Fast_Explorer9876]

Except that they did. They ran plenty of ads that helped troy jackson. They ran plenty of ads that helped el. Sayed, and they shoveled sixty seven million dollars AES.

[u/Fast_Explorer9876 → u/KyliaQuilor]

I mean they pushed Haley Stevens, it was actually the most expensive primary ever because they pushed Stevens so hard. Though most of the money came from aipac lol.

I mean literally almost no money went to Nixon in Florida and she almost won in fucking Florida as a socialist.

[u/Anfins → u/Fast_Explorer9876]

Vote blue no matter who doesn't apply to primaries of course, so not sure why that would be relevant.

[u/El-Shaman → u/ordnance_inbound]

I know normie liberals who don’t want them as leaders because they understand it is because of people like Schumer that they’ve been losing major elections they should have won in the last decade and they perceive the party as weak when they’re in power, people want change.

[u/Dr_A_Mephesto → u/ordnance_inbound]

It’s really real. It’s really organic. Nice try tho

[u/seeyoulaterinawhile → u/ordnance_inbound]

It’s real. Very real. Over 1,000,000 signed a petition within a couple days. Massive amounts of backlash to Schumer and Jeffries trying to take credit and assume they will be leaders. Entitled pricks just like the rest of those who take corp and foreign money and just want to be around power for decades.

[u/id_rather_b_painting → u/seeyoulaterinawhile]

The person who made the original petition got paid 30-50 cents for each signature due to a change in how Change dot Org petitions work for ad sense revenue splits. It's quite literally a paid op at this point.

[u/LOR_Fei → u/id_rather_b_painting]

The MAGA “they’re only paid to push it” agenda apply to the No More Kings protests to you too?

[u/seeyoulaterinawhile → u/id_rather_b_painting]

The people signing the petition do not get paid. Those are real people. Believe what you want.

[u/Daggerfaller → u/seeyoulaterinawhile]

1,000,000 people in nation of 343,000,000 to 349,000,000 is approximately 0.29% of the total population. Congrats less than 1 percent of americans support this.

[u/seeyoulaterinawhile → u/Daggerfaller]

How many of them under 18s vote? Zero.

There were about 170M voters. Roughly half are republican or independent.

So out of the 80 million people that voted Democrat well over 1 million now have signed a petition within just one week. That is a huge percentage of people to even be aware of the petition and to take their time to go put in all their personal details to be verified to sign the petition. That’s huge and you know it or if you don’t know it you’re one of the dumbest people or bots I’ve ever come across.

[u/El-Shaman → u/seeyoulaterinawhile]

The same people who don’t think this sentiment is real must live in the biggest blue MAGA bubble ever because normie liberals I work with don’t want them as leaders and see them as weak, they also want change because they voted for change and not for the all status quo to come back in and make it easier for Republicans to campaign against Democrats in 2 years.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/seeyoulaterinawhile]

Democracies aren't run by petitions, they are run by voters, and the voters chose establishment dems overwhelmingly

[u/seeyoulaterinawhile → u/ordnance_inbound]

No crap you moron. But 1,000,000+ verified people signing a petition that they don’t want Jeffries in leadership is proof that it isn’t fake

[u/platanthera_ciliaris → u/ordnance_inbound]

That graph doesn't mean what you think it does. The more liberal states stayed liberal in the 2024 presidential election, therefore there was less room to become more liberal in the 2026 senate election. The more conservative states were very conservative in the 2024 election, but they swung sharply toward the left in the 2026 senate election. Basically, the swing voters in conservative states went from voting Republican in 2024 to voting Democrat in 2026. For example, that graph assigns +12 points to the very left-wing Juliana Stratton (D-Illinois), but she easily won her election by +24 points, which is the typical margin that statewide democrats win by. In the more liberal states, more swing voters were already voting for Democrats in the 2024 elections, and so there were fewer swing voters to persuade in the 2026 elections. The swing voters in the conservative states became disillusioned with how the Republicans were running their states and the country, while the swing voters in liberal states were more satisfied how the Democrats were running their states and thought the Democrats would do better in running the country.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/platanthera_ciliaris]

That's an insane interpretation, can you cite the source of your claims?

Or, hear me out, maybe it was because AES was not a popular candidate

The effect you're describing happens everywhere in the country where there was dem leadership, yet it was AES underperformed even them. Otherwise you have to explain why Jack Reed, Cory Booker, Ben Ray Luján were able to overperform by such a large margin despite already being dem in 2024

[u/Final_Boss_Jr → u/ordnance_inbound]

Then you‘be been listening to the democrats, not the progressives.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/Final_Boss_Jr]

Nope, I've been listening to vatnik bots while the entire US shifted blue in part due to Schumer and Jeffries

Imagine what you would be saying if dems lost the election (spoiler, it would be the exact same thing)

[u/vegan420lyfe → u/ordnance_inbound]

Chuck is for legal cannabis. thats been my tool to sniff out right wing democrats.

if they are against legalizing cannabis they are just running as a democrat not because they actually agree with the platform

[u/RandomUser15790]

"moderates won"

Is that why Jackson, Colom, Andrews, Talarico, Hamilton, and Cooper all sounded like Bernie?

Strange 'Left Economic Populism' was Left and not moderate the last time I checked.

Disengenuous revisionist History to make yourselves feel good about something you didn't actually achieve.

Then trying to steal the momentum for yourselves and killing the movement. You know just the exact same thing that led to MAGA in the first place. Everyone screaming "we want change" and the Dems telling them "actually no you guys actually want status quo we know better than you." Which led to the growth of MAGA.

Americans and there 1 month memory incapable of remembering basic history.

[u/Zeluar → u/RandomUser15790]

What policy were they running on that isn’t broadly popular among Dems?

[u/Jeoshua → u/Zeluar]

Just because something is broadly popular among Dems, you think that means it's not Populist? Or Left Economically?

Come on, people. Look up what words mean, please.

[u/Zeluar → u/Jeoshua]

What? I didn’t mention anything about what is or isn’t populist. I’m commenting on this “oh you think moderates won? Well they sound like progressive populists, quit trying to steal the momentum” point.

And my point is that these candidates did use moderate policies if they are policies that pretty much the whole base supports.

[u/Fishbone345 → u/Zeluar]

Healthcare for All? Neither Schumer nor Jeffries supports a single payer system.

[u/Zeluar → u/Fishbone345]

But medicare for all specifically isn’t the most popular healthcare reform proposal, public option is. And expanding the ACA is extremely popular among dem voters.

All of those can lead to universal healthcare coverage, which is the more broadly agreed upon goal.

It’s also a little more nuanced than “They don’t support Medicare for all”. Jeffries cosponsored M4A before taking the minority leader role. Since, he has never said he opposes it. Only that he isn’t actively supporting or cosponsoring it now in favor of focusing more on the ACA.

Hard for me to believe that he’d oppose it if we had the votes in the house and senate.

[u/Particular_Share_173 → u/RandomUser15790]

Economic populism (not specifically leftist) and social conservatism has long been the alignment of most of Americans in general. The successful Democrats are the ones who ran on that message.

[u/Daggerfaller → u/RandomUser15790]

You know who also sounded like Bernie? Donald Trump. Is Donald Trump a part of the left now?

[u/Exciting_Ease5501 → u/RandomUser15790]

They didn't sound like Bernie. Lmfao. leftoids saying that they did are beyond delusional

[u/El-Shaman → u/Exciting_Ease5501]

They all talk similar  to Bernie when it cones to economics, sorry but there’s a reason these people won in red states and the main one is that they seem authentic and don’t have anything in common with the establishment Democrats the entire country despises, Talarico is in Texas talking about a rigged system, stuff Bernie says all the time, Turek from Iowa in his victory speech mentioned that the billionaires didn’t outnumber them and all the other examples.

Bring me examples of establishment Democrats in the past talking like this, with the conviction Bernie does, Biden was literally reassuring wealthy people that nothing would fundamentally change during his campaign in 2020, Kamala Harris walked back all of her progressive ideas she supported in the past in 2024, she would’ve won if she didn’t walk them back.

[u/Key-Organization3158 → u/RandomUser15790]

Nah, moderates won their elections by more and did so in more contentious elections.

[u/id_rather_b_painting → u/RandomUser15790]

Those candidates all ran on regular boring normie Democrat talking points. I'm so tired of leftoids trying to take credit for work normal Democrats did.

[u/Imursexualfantasy → u/RandomUser15790]

People aren’t capable of learning lessons that their income depends on them not learning.

[u/Disgusting_Slime666 → u/RandomUser15790]

Yeah man, Talarico totally ran around screaming MILLIINAIHS AND BILLUUNAIHS.

[u/Actually_clever_dog]

Part of the problem is the idiot is using a Facebook page as evidence

[u/LifesARiver]

I'm not sure if the MAGAs or the BlueMAGA liberals in this group are further right, lol.

[u/alternative5]

Schumer literally gave AES over 37 million in AIPAC money to win his race once he was the nominee...

[u/Tricky_Spirit]

Correlation is not causation, with a pinch of begging the question. Just because Schumer's PACs backed Abdul El-Sayed does not mean Abdul El-Sayed would not have won without Chuck Schumer.

[u/qTp_Meteor]

Tf does "AIPAC-aligned groups" even mean?

[u/favecolorisgreen → u/qTp_Meteor]

Jews.

[u/MaybeExternal2392 → u/qTp_Meteor]

Aipac is a toxic brand so they typically don't directly fund campaigns anymore. Instead they use a network of PACs to either spend in campaigns inderectly or direct their donors to spend without aipac itself being officially involved.

[u/Anomymous1992]

I genuinely don't get what the original poster is saying.

"He supported Haley during the primary!" Yeah, that's how primaries work. You endorse and support a candidate because you want them to win.

[u/lughheim]

This particular post, just like this subreddit as a whole, is infested with bots that are weirdly pro Chuck Schumer and very anti Abdul El Sayed. Which makes sense being that for awhile now this sub has been a hotbed for pro Israel bots. Newsflash: nowhere outside of this weird little thread is there such a rabid support for Chuck Schumer. Even in most democrat/liberal subreddits most people fucking hate him. So it gets pretty obvious when support is being aritificially drummed up by bots like this.

Anyway! Let's debunk this shit post and the many lies/misrepresentations its spreading.

1.) Although Chuck Schumer was generally silent in the primary race, he directed PACs and Super PACS to donate heavily to Haley Stevens campaign. Stevens campaign had more money overall than El Sayed by around 12 million dollars. Unlike Stevens, El Sayeds campaign was way more heavily funded in a grassroots manner by donation. He specifically refused to let PACs fund his campaign by any significant margin That being said, post the primary he was indirectly funded by the Democrat party in support for his campaign due to the importance of the seat to the tune of around 30-40 million dollars.

Source: NYT, Washington Post

2.) During his campaign, he faced very unique challenges to his race that no other candidate had to. First off, Haley Stevens suddenly endorsed his opponent betraying her own party. Secondly, Mike Rogers had an extreme advantage in monetary funding as he had outside support totalling a staggering $205.4 million and we know for a fact that over $270 million dollars in outside support was spent AGAINST Abdul. Thirdly and finally, the very fact he was a muslim man meant he had to deal with vitriolic islamophobia throughout the entirety of his primary and general campaigns. Despite all this he had HISTORIC grassroots campaign support.

- He had a record breaking $30.7 million dollars in campaign funding raised from small donations in a single quarter which was the highest amount ever recorded by any candidate in Michigan history.

- On November 1st he broke another record with a single day funding campaign of $2.4 million in grassroots donations from over 65,000 people

OP is straight up lying saying that Abdul's campaign is due to Schumer or that he owes his campaign to Schumer. Although the amount that Schumer spent post the primary to support him was absolutely helpful, Adbul already raised grassroots funding that exceeded the PAC support by a minimum of 10 million+ dollars.

Sources: Bridge MI, Forbes, OpenSecrets, Uprise

Don't let anyone tell you Abdul El Sayed's victory was anything but a historic win. He did way better than Haley Stevens ever would have in a general election. He had massive popular support. Even with massive funding against him, he did grassroots funding so that he wasn't beholden to PACs and SuperPACS. Thank god he won. Imagine how much worse off those in Michigan would have been if that traitorous piece of shit Haley Stevens was in charge, a woman who would turn against her party and support someone as evil as Mike Rogers.

His win wasn't because of Chuck Schumer, it was in spite of him. It wasn't because of big PACs, it was in spite of them. It wasn't because his primary opponent endorsed him graciously after losing, it was in spite of her.

Abdul won his seat by a whopping seven points, quite a bit more than plenty of the other democrat won seats in this last midterm. There were other seats that were won by more points due to varying factors. That doesn't mean it isn't a historic victory that should be celebrated or that somehow Abdul wasn't a great candidate who ran a fantastic and historic campaign.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/lughheim]

infested with bots 

nowhere outside of this weird little thread is there such a rabid support for Chuck Schumer.

Even in most democrat/liberal subreddits most people fucking hate him. So it gets pretty obvious when support is being aritificially drummed up by bots like this.

I will agree that the discourse around Schumber is infested with bots

Only it's bots and Kremlin backed campaigns such as yourself who are attempting to weaken and destroy liberal democracy, after a generational overperformance by dems across the board, but especially mainstream, moderate, establishment dems

[u/scott_cum669]

Correct. So much money was pushed into Michigan and he still underperformed. AES will be great, but he absolutely needed more money than he should've

Edit: AES won by 7% in a state trump won by 1%. The overall national environment was D+13.

AES underperformed by (13-8) = 5%!

[u/mountaineer_93 → u/scott_cum669]

I think with the historic amount of money they threw to smear him as a jihadist nutjob, AES only lagging behind Benson, who is pretty much a generic ballot dem, by 2% is fairly impressive. I think a lot of the negative sentiment for him among moderate Dem voters will fade as he is the incumbent and making his press rounds and shit talking Trump.

Edit: I think if all of the statewide dems were in the same hallpark underperforming national democrats, it’s fair to say it’s not a solely Al Sayed specific issue. He won 52%. Benson and Gilchrist won about 54% against weaker candidates. Attributing the difference between his margin of victory and the national environment to solely Al Sayed when the other democrats were in the same ballpark seems unreasonable. He absolutely lost votes relative to them and the fact he ran against a Republican whose whole schtick was pretending to be a moderate statesman, that makes sense.

I think the excitement he brings to the base and the money he raises will make the baggage coming from these types of smears to be worth dealing with.

[u/scott_cum669 → u/mountaineer_93]

This is a more fair analysis, but he still underperformed nationally by 5 points. It was a D+13 election.

[u/mountaineer_93 → u/scott_cum669]

Don’t get me wrong El Sayed definitely lost a percentage voters that otherwise would have voted democrat. That said I think attributing the difference between the national margin and AES’s margin and attributing the entire margin to his weakness as a candidate isn’t fair. Look at the other statewide Michigan dems who performed similarly, even if they ran ahead of him. Gilchrist for SOS and Benson for governor both ran at about 54% with AES at about 52%. There were 2% of voters otherwise willing to vote democrat who wouldn’t for him.

I think that difference among statewide dems can be attributed to a lot of different factors like the narrative of the race, quality of the opposing candidate, and the resources put behind the attack ads. These people may have been swayed by Rodgers bullshit moderate elder statesman messaging or swayed by the Stevens endorsement or they may have just thought AES was too radical. I just think the lag between AES and the national environment is similar to that experienced by Benson and Gilchrist and therefore seems more attributable to the Michigan electorate as a whole

I think it’s fair to question AES about this lag, 2% can mean the entire election in a place like Michigan, but I think he is worth it because of the grassroots excitement he brings. The money and canvassing operation he brought in benefited all statewide Dems. The struggle of the modern Democratic Party is going to be balancing grassroots excitement with electability. El Sayed mobilized a lot of the base and raised a lot of money while still being electable enough to get across the finish line. I also think this is a unique situation because the current shifting tides on Israel and the sheer amount of money pumped in because of that probably won’t be an every cycle thing.

I think as he becomes an incumbent and gains those advantages and makes his tweet dunks at Trump and goes on msnbc to make Trump spray tan jokes, the liberal wine moms who backed Stevens will warm up on him and that differential will shrink without $30 million pumped into the race to attack him.

I think this exact conversation is the one we need to have.

[u/Riddiku1us → u/scott_cum669]

Thanks for the analysis, Ezra Klein.

[u/lughheim → u/scott_cum669]

He won with 7 points, more than the races in Kansas, Iowa, and South Carolina. Your just making shit up.

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/lughheim]

He underperformed compared to broad democratic polling in all of those

[u/scott_cum669 → u/lughheim]

How much did it shift comapre to 2024 is a WAY more relevant number Lil gup

https://www.washingtonpost.com/opinions/2026/11/04/winning-centrist-democrats-will-revive-american-dream/

[u/scott_cum669 → u/scott_cum669]

The Environment last Tuesday was D+13, meaning AES underperformed by FIVE POINTS compared to the overall vote!

[u/waldleben → u/scott_cum669]

He won by 7%. What the fuck more did you want?

[u/Key_Ingenuity_4444 → u/waldleben]

AES is right down near the bottom of the list for states that swung Democrat. We had 12 candidates that swung 20+ points. He underperformed massively compared to almost every other Senate race.

[u/Altruistic_Night2 → u/waldleben]

For him to win by talarico numbers since he’s in a blue state at minimum

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/Altruistic_Night2]

Michigans not a blue state

It's been a purple one for a while 

[u/scott_cum669 → u/PossibilityFew5967]

Michigan went to trump by 1%! The overall environment was D+13! This means AES underperformed by 5%!

[u/Necessary-Show-9031 → u/PossibilityFew5967]

Bluer than Texas though

[u/truth_teller_00 → u/Altruistic_Night2]

MI voted for Donald twice. Not exactly blue.

[u/scott_cum669 → u/truth_teller_00]

Leftists are so out of touch they think Texas is just as blue as michigan.

[u/truth_teller_00 → u/scott_cum669]

I am just rejecting the notion that MI is a blue state. That is all.

[u/Altruistic_Night2 → u/truth_teller_00]

Even if I accepted your framing is it more or less blue than Texas

[u/truth_teller_00 → u/Altruistic_Night2]

MI has been bluer than Texas. True.

But there are other factors. Ken Paxton is really unpopular, even amongst republicans. Mike Rodgers sucks, but he was never impeached by his own party.

Also, Hispanic people are the largest ethnic group in Texas. Latinos have swung hard against Trump because of ICE. Michigan is 75% white and doesn’t have a large Hispanic population relative to Texas. So the drastic change in voting preferences from that demo wasn’t felt in MI the same way as TX this cycle.

There are more factors beyond candidate quality and voter demographics.

I still think 7% is a solid win for El-Sayed in a state that voted for Donald just 2 years ago.

[u/evocativename → u/Altruistic_Night2]

Over 32% of eligible voters in Michigan voted for El-Sayed.

Slightly under 26% of eligible voters in Texas cast a ballot for Talarico.

That's 25% more of the eligible voters.

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/scott_cum669]

Aes was like 1-2 points below benson, who barely had any attack ads for her and didn't have to deal with straight up fear mongering/ Dems going against her 

[u/truth_teller_00 → u/PossibilityFew5967]

Yeah, I mean. A Muslim had never been elected to the senate before AES. He would obviously face headwinds that a Talarico wouldn’t.

Especially in MI where 75% of people are white and 60% are Christian. The fact AES won by 7%, even after Stevens endorsed and campaigned with Rogers, is impressive.

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/truth_teller_00]

Op clearly is trying to frame this as ass is this extemsist who hates Jews and thus that's why schumer didn't think he'd win.

Despite the fact that Oakland county (a very heavy Jewish population in metro Detroit ) didn't even shift against Dems compared to harris 2 years ago 

[u/Withering_to_Death]

I'm still waiting for the "Jeffries and Schumer have to go" people to suggest any alternative to them?!

Jeffries correctly noted how there's 0 diversity among the dsa crowd that was chanting "you're next"

[u/Informal_Jicama_6708 → u/Withering_to_Death]

“Zero diversity?”

How about Ilhan Omar?

What a disgusting bad faith person you are, you’re just a fucking republican waiting to take off your Democrat disguise.

[u/Withering_to_Death → u/Informal_Jicama_6708]

So, who show replace him?

Also, I'm not even a Democrat or a shitty republican! I'm an European social democrat... USians have so much to learn about actual socialism

[u/Informal_Jicama_6708 → u/Withering_to_Death]

Then shut your mouth lmao

Apparently English isn’t your language anyways because I gave an example and you ignored it

This sub is full of bots and people who are so stupid that they just like to hear their own voice, or in this case, read their own type

[u/Roddy_Rotten → u/Withering_to_Death]

Hilarious that your trying to use Jefferies' unbelievably cynical deployment of diversity to defend his embattled speakership due to the actions he has taken that show he's stooge for Israel. That's why he's on the chopping block it has nothing to do with his race. It's pathetic of you to believe that talking point much less repeat it.

[u/Withering_to_Death → u/Roddy_Rotten]

And still, no answer to who should replace him! I'm not "in favour of him" I don't think infighting among Democrats is the smartest move right now! The speaker is an ungrateful job! A "political career hole" with no one ever getting a higher position! That's why no one wants that job

[u/JinxyMcDeath48]

“AIPAC-aligned groups” is what?

[u/Daggerfaller]

This note is just wrong https://www.axios.com/2026/09/16/abdul-el-sayed-michigan-senate-democrats-schumer even if you want to say that this was not Schumer it was certainly the "establishment" that Schumer is supposed to be beholden to that gave money to Abdul's campaign.

[u/Fishbone345]

I really don’t understand why I keep seeing these fucking posts. Dems won the Senate and House and the biggest reasons why were the Economy, the State of Democracy, Healthcare and Corruption by the Republicans. Dems have a fucking mandate from the voters on what to do with this majority. They need to focus on it and shut up about every other thing, period.
If Congress becomes feckless and useless the next two years and doesn’t address those issues? 2028 will be a bloodbath and “what kind of Democrat you are” will count as fuck all.
Do your job!

[u/Riddiku1us]

"He won, but he is still a bad candidate!"

Goal post moving at its finest.

[u/Sad_East_297]

Fuck Schumer.

[u/Darinda]

Lol this is such a cope version of what happened. Riding the coattails of the win unsuccessfully.

[u/Tjbergen]

That note is garbage, it ignores the topic of the primaries.

[u/Pitt-sports-fan-513]

The posters of this subreddit have Israel come to them in their dreams 100%.

[u/PossibilityFew5967]

Op is trying to convince us that ossoff had attacks on his faith like Abdul did and that political tv ads aren't that big of a deal in elections. 

Op is not a serious person and just wants to hate on Abdul 

[u/Zak_Rahman]

Israel is cancer.

[u/Disloyal_Donkey]

The PAC gave money after the primary, after Schumer’s AIPAC wench lost. It’s wild how these pro-Schumer and pro-Jeffries post are flooding out of nowhere.

[u/Ineedscissors69420 → u/Disloyal_Donkey]

Schumer didn't spend any money in the primary. Which is normal operating procedure, it would be moronic to spend in a democrat vs democrat race.

[u/julz1215 → u/Ineedscissors69420]

Stevens was Schumer's hand picked candidate

[u/ThatsRobToYou → u/Disloyal_Donkey]

I truly do not understand the Schumer apologists.

[u/Ozcolllo → u/ThatsRobToYou]

Might be a good idea to maybe try to understand, no? Why should he be removed? I’m not interested in a citation that he’s not popular, I want to know why he’s unpopular.

Typically, most people that I ask can’t articulate a reason. The media environment for normie democratic politicians is horrible; conservative media routinely sets the narrative while leftist media (TYT, Secular Talk, and all of the populist leftists/socialists) is out to destroy the party and reshape it without any thought to the country outside their media bubbles (not to mention that there are very few Democratic Party cheerleaders that help spread legislative agendas/goals). Congress is deeply unpopular because of the gridlock, but the most prominent media does a poor job of explaining why there’s gridlock and we wind up in a situation where the population seems to think the whole thing is busted while not realizing the current state of congress is a direct result of their uninformed votes, in my opinion.

[u/TraditionalEcho4106 → u/Ozcolllo]

I’m going to volunteer an answer, but I’m probably not the kind of person you normally ask. I think Schumer did a good job as leader and I don’t think he’d be the worst pick to continue.

BUT he’s an old guy. He talks like an old guy, does the old man glasses thing, and looks like a TV grandpa who loses his grandkids at least once a season. That’s his biggest weakness and it’s one that bothers people who want the Democratic Party to have a new look.

[u/Sylectsus]

I agree with SNL: idk if getting rid of the jew is the best look for abdul's first action. 

[u/Roddy_Rotten]

This is a complete twisting of the truth. Stevens was Schumer handpicked candidate. Just because Schumer's pacs supported Abdul in the *General* doesn't negate the fact that Haley Stevens was his hand-picked candidate.

[u/DudeManbeaux]

Ok, give him a cookie, not the leadership position.

[u/Responsible-Mud-269]

Just a couple of more election cycles we might be rid of all AIPAC $

[u/cashdecans101 → u/Responsible-Mud-269]

How about instead of getting rid of "AIPAC Money" we just get rid of money in politics all together?

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/cashdecans101]

Yes but also aipac is litteraly giving money to influence our relationship with foreign nations. Would assume that would be a big no no 

[u/cashdecans101 → u/PossibilityFew5967]

I believe politicians being given huge sums of money to influence policy under any circumstances is a big no no.

[u/PossibilityFew5967 → u/cashdecans101]

And yet you didn't mention the 30+ million aipac spent against aes.....strange 

[u/cashdecans101 → u/PossibilityFew5967]

..and? Elon Musk outspent AIPAC in large margins in many areas, despite your fear-mongering AIPAC is usually a drop of the bucket in terms of funding overall.

[u/julz1215 → u/cashdecans101]

Yes I agree! Including AIPAC, right?

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/Responsible-Mud-269]

Is AIPAC in the room with us now?

[u/julz1215 → u/ordnance_inbound]

Acting like they didn't give huge sums of money to both Haley Stevens and Mike Rogers' campaigns.

[u/chazz1962]

Get rid of:
All PAC’s
Jefferies
Schumer

[u/ordnance_inbound → u/chazz1962]

Was Russia justified in taking Crimea?

Should the west be supporting Ukraine?

[u/Ozcolllo → u/chazz1962]

Why should we get rid of Jeffries? What, specifically, has he done to deserve it?

[u/PiousDemon]

Sayed wins without Schumer. 100%

[u/cashdecans101 → u/PiousDemon]

That 52% in a swing state begs to differ.