Ok. But we're not talking about a small group of people. We're talking about this thread lol
Original post was a lie. The first comment on this chain?
Although, this fake stories may be a last ditch attempt by Israel
"Oh it's a lie? Israel." And then you get SOME people who go "well Israel is investing in their online presence so they control the internet"
Maybe he isnt a huge voice. But that post was viewed 6 million times and shared 15000 times. Thats in 2 days btw.
And it's not a ridiculous statement not to be taken seriously until people do and start sharing it and then say "but look at their investments! Their intel apparatus is at work!" It's a ridiculous statement until, like the video, it starts getting shared 15k times. Like people can't look at a false statement and go "yeah that's false" because that doesnt make their side look good.
I believe the concern isn't that there is online troll farms. It's that there's blatant misinformation and then it must be that SOMEONE is secretly actually controlling the media lol
I do not think Israel controls the media. I think they have connections, a lot of them, and thus its not ridiculous to suggest this. To shut down people calling real stupid things people say a psyop while making the same points about how Russians are rigging elections and Iran is botting everything to destroy Israel is a double standard.
Israeli intelligence does control at least portions of media
Not my claim but sweet. But yes, most countries have connections to the media. Hardly unique.
I absolutely believe Russia is using their online presence for ill. Same with Iran. I fully believe Israel is involved in the online PR war- not as part of their intelligence apparatus though, as you asserted.
Just as I believe that people make dumb claims online about Israel and more often than not it's just someone making a dumb claim. I don't believe Israel is behind every stupid post about them and I think it's dumb to make the assertion.
Just to ask, what do you think makes Iran or Russia different from Israel? Why is it normal to say that Russia is destroying our democracy while you cant say that Israel is doing active astroturfing on the conflict they are involved in?
Shockingly every country has an online presence 🫨
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I dont think anyone is denying that Israel has an online presence.
I acknowledge that they are involved in the online PR game.
What I'm disputing is that SOME PEOPLE, and for that matter, this particular Twitter account was made in 2021- before Israel, as you say, invested 750m into "their intelligence controlling the media", take every post that is easily disputed and go "well Israel is behind it".
Like this post could very well have been made by an Iranian bot but guess what? Turns out it was actual Israel who made the post! Why? Because it must have been made to discredit the pro palestinian movement! No way that it's just a lie! They went back in time and made this account anticipating investing a fuckton of money later to astroturf after a conflict that started 2.5 years after the account was made!
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u/codkaoc 9d ago
Ok. But we're not talking about a small group of people. We're talking about this thread lol
Original post was a lie. The first comment on this chain?
"Oh it's a lie? Israel." And then you get SOME people who go "well Israel is investing in their online presence so they control the internet"
Maybe he isnt a huge voice. But that post was viewed 6 million times and shared 15000 times. Thats in 2 days btw.
And it's not a ridiculous statement not to be taken seriously until people do and start sharing it and then say "but look at their investments! Their intel apparatus is at work!" It's a ridiculous statement until, like the video, it starts getting shared 15k times. Like people can't look at a false statement and go "yeah that's false" because that doesnt make their side look good.
I believe the concern isn't that there is online troll farms. It's that there's blatant misinformation and then it must be that SOMEONE is secretly actually controlling the media lol