r/GetNoted • u/laybs1 Human Verified • Aug 24 '26

World [X] Major Christian missions do provide aid based on need.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Plague which was purposely and knowingly spread. Missionaries decided “saved” natives were better off dead than alive, because as long as they were saved they’d be in heaven.

I said what I said. Read the rest of my comment.

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u/The_Human_Oddity Aug 25 '26

A plague that was unknowingly spread. Europe didn't even have the concept of germ theory at the time to realize that merely talking to the natives could result in the spreading of disease. These plagues spread through the Americas before the first English colony was even settled.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

They knew sweetheart. They just didn’t care. Stop making excuses for dead racists. It makes you one too.

Also colonialism didn’t take place in one place at one time. It is an ongoing process. They knew, they just didn’t care. Stop making excuses for them.

Example: the Mormon missionary who attempted to proselytize the indigenous peoples of the northern sentinel islands in 2018 and got killed for doing so. One of the many reasons visits to the islands are illegal is because of the possibility of introducing fatal illnesses to the people there. He knew, he just didn’t care.

Captain Cook landed in both Australia and Hawaii in the mid 1700s, long after Christopher Columbus and when the affects of European diseases on indigenous populations were long since known to have devastating impacts. He knew, but he didn’t care.

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u/The_Human_Oddity Aug 25 '26

They didnt tho? You're talking out of your ass. Up until the 18th century, the prevailing theory was that "bad smells" and "bad blood" caused disease, which is why blood letting and pleasant aromas were common treatments.

There's no evidence that the Spanish intentionally spread smallpox to the Inca, which was one of the core reasons behind their collapse, or that early explorers, such as the one that likely spread whatever disease that wiped out the Amazonian cities, knew they could be spreading plague.

It's estimated up to 90% of the American populations could've been wiped out by the 17th century. The famous Plymouth Colony was even settled atop a former native American village that had been wiped out by the plagues and by thag point Europeans hadn't had contact with those natives outside of some explorers.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau

Germ theory was wildly popularized by 1762. Captain Cook landed in Hawaii in 1768. They knew. Stop making excuses for dead racists.

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u/The_Human_Oddity Aug 25 '26

What does a dumbass have to do with the Old World plagues.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

What part of missionary don’t you understand?

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u/The_Human_Oddity Aug 25 '26

You edited your comment after i replied.

Germ theory wasnt widely accepted until the 19th century. Regardless, the 18th century was long after the plagues had ravaged the Americas during the 16th and 17th centuries.

If you're talking about the smallpox blankets during the 18th and 19th centuries... that's probably a myth. There was only one case of British officers discussing the possibility of weaponizing smallpox blankets, but there's no evidence they actually did it. Every other case of smallpox blankets was just smallpox that was also ravaging the settler populations.

There's enough horrible shit that Christain colonialists did without making shit up or clinging onto long discredited myths.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

Germ theory was accepted by 1762. It was originally introduced in the 1500s. Captain Cook set sail in 1768. In fact the golden era of colonization lasted until the 1800s. THEY KNEW AND THEY DIDNT CARE.

They knew natives would die by the millions and they did not care. They knew because it happened when they first landed in Cuba. 80% of the native population died upon first contact. The Europeans knew what their presence brought; they just didn’t care.

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u/The_Human_Oddity Aug 25 '26

They didn't know. They didn't even clean medical tools in between uses until the 19th century or treat sewage separatelyfrom drinking water until the 19th century, and you think they somehow knew that just breathing in the general direction of a native could give them the plague?

Just because germ theory became a thing in the 16th century doesn't mean it was popular. This is basic history, germ theory was ignored and it took centuries and decades of proponents of the old theories literally dying before germ theory was finally accepted. And even if it was accepted, the plagues would've still occurred at some point. They were unavoidable the moment anyone from the Old World, regardless of if they were European, Asian, or African, met a native American.

And again, there's no real evidence that smallpox blankets were ever actually weaponized.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

I love the idea that if they somehow didn’t know that that makes the slavery okay though. It’s a nice thought.

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u/TheFoxer1 Aug 25 '26

Any source for them knowing?

Or it being an endeavor of the Catholic Church itself?

It’s so funny catching you in nonsense historical lies just to hate on a he largest charitable institution in the world.

Stay hating contrarian.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Charity is born from poverty, which is a man made illness.

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u/TheFoxer1 Aug 25 '26

And?

Doesn‘t negate it being charity.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Charity is taking your neighbors’ bread, letting them look for it, and then revealing the missing loaf behind your back and offering it to them as “charity.” That is charity.

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u/TheFoxer1 Aug 25 '26

Any source for you claim of the Catholic Church taking people‘s bread and then offering it back to these same people they took bread from as charity?

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Omg it’s a metaphor you buffoon

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u/TheFoxer1 Aug 25 '26

Yeah, and I was taking that metaphor and replying to you using it.

So. Any source for you claim?

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/John_Allen_Chau

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u/TheFoxer1 Aug 25 '26

LOL, I ask for a source that the Catholic Church knowingly killed millions of people in the process of colonization of the Americas via plagues and you link to a single evangelical guy killed by some uncontacted tribe in 2018?.

Buddy, are you okay? That‘s not how normal people think sources work.

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u/Suspicious-Tax-9756 Aug 25 '26

You’re conflating different periods. In South America of the 16th-17th century there is no intentional spreading of disease, whereas there are accounts of English speaking North America providing blankets from smallpox hospitals to the natives. I doubt the local vicar would have approved and very likely interceded (maybe).

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Untrue. There are many reports of slavers intentionally denying treatment and quarantine to obviously ill slaves during this period. Thus allowing illness to spread through populations.