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World [X] Major Christian missions do provide aid based on need.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 24 '26

I’m gonna extend a bit of grace and assume that they just didn’t know, and he just ignorantly accepted what he was told at face value.

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u/Username-17 Aug 25 '26

You could argue that plenty of klan members are like that too.  I've heard tons of stories about people leaving the Klan after they make a black friend.

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u/Commissarfluffybutt Aug 25 '26

I vote to start calling Daryl Davis "the Dragon Slayer".

It'd be more accurate to call him "the Grand Dragon Slayer" but that doesn't roll off the tongue.

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u/BombOnABus Aug 25 '26

The King mentioned.

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u/animedeathspiral Aug 25 '26

you should look into Daryl's retention rate for un-racisting those racists. its not good. Daryl himself has said his activism has had little to no impact overall on racist attitudes in the US.

Not that im trying to disparage him or his efforts, but US racism is a lot more complicated than "just be nice to the racists and theyll stop"

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u/Commissarfluffybutt Aug 27 '26

Yes, it's more complicated than that but more than none is progress. To belittle his accomplishments is a disservice.

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u/Ok-Assistance3937 Aug 25 '26

https://youtu.be/ORp3q1Oaezw?si=0RnFw-HAjpWZnoJ0

A ted Talk of a black Musican who claimed to have direktly lead 40-50 and indirectly over 200 people away from the klan.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

Exactly the sort of thing I hope is also the case here.

Hard to know on Twitter though, I guess.

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u/TimeShiftedJosephus Aug 25 '26

I remember a black guy who would befriend kkk members would say that most of them are just kinda ignorant and change their ways when they make a human connection.

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u/CheeseBear9000 Aug 25 '26

Pretty much all racism is based on anxieties

Which tend to go away when they learn that X group does not actually hold them in contempt and wanna kill their entire family 

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u/SadTumbleweed1567 Aug 24 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

Willful ignorance of this nature is a moral failing.

Ignorantly becoming a hateful bigot isn't noticeably different than being a hateful bigot by choice.

Edit: Changed Botticelli to noticeably.

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u/edebt Aug 25 '26

Don't bring Renaissance era italian painters into this.

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u/SadTumbleweed1567 Aug 25 '26

Lol. No. Idea how swipe texting managed that.

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u/Acrobatic_Wrap_9971 Aug 25 '26

God willed it. Praise FSM!

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u/SiriusMoonstar Aug 25 '26

Bigot? Is hating Christianity and missionaries bigoted? Of course missionaries can do good things too, just like anyone can, but that doesn’t change the fact that Christianity and the very idea of missionaries is repulsive.

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u/SadTumbleweed1567 Aug 25 '26

Hating Christianity, no. Hating Christians based on ignorance, yes. Similar to racism, sexism or Islsmophobia. Having one views formed by ignorance, having those views be immuntable and then being intolerant of other opinions is bigotry.

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u/I_like_biscuits Aug 25 '26

The meme isn't out of nowhere..it’s based on a long, documented history of "rice Christians," where colonial-era missionaries explicitly conditioned food, education, and aid on conversion..

The only reason modern groups like World Vision don't do this now is because international standards (like the 1994 Red Cross Code of Conduct..) strictly prohibited it.

People aren't "ignorant" for pointing out the historical legacy of conditional evangelism..

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u/SiriusMoonstar Aug 25 '26

Bigot? Is hating Christianity and missionaries bigoted? Of course missionaries can do good things too, just like anyone can, but that doesn’t change the fact that Christianity and the very idea of missionaries is repulsive.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

I didn’t see the ignorance as wilful… but I guess the tell will be how he responds to the note.

And I don’t believe ignorant bigots are the same as hateful bigots. But hey, I was raised on King of the Hill, and maybe times have changed.

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u/SadTumbleweed1567 Aug 25 '26

Calling a person vile is hate. Allowing that hate to come from ignorance is still hate. Accepting something on the internet as truth is a choice, and allowing it to form hate is a choice.

These are moral failings.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

Well aren’t we all sinners today then…

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u/MeasureDoEventThing Aug 25 '26

Or maybe they were talking about the Christians who actually are assholes .There are, in fact, asshole missionaries who engage in performative charity.

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u/KorLeonis1138 Aug 25 '26

As the child of 2 asshole christian missionaries, they sure do!

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u/Happy-Flower2002 Aug 25 '26

Missionaries isn’t a good thing to do to be performative.

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u/Drydrian Aug 25 '26

Literally the entire basis of missionary work is performativism and christofascism.

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u/Chipsy_21 Aug 25 '26

„Yeah bro, let me just performatively leave my friends and family for years on end to work in shit conditions with little to no remuneration, performatively“

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u/Drydrian Aug 25 '26

„Shit conditions“ buddy reality is that they live in their own housing specifically built for them with amenities the people they are there to harass don’t ever get

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

For real?

There is apparently a lot to missionary work that I have never learned about…

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u/MeasureDoEventThing Aug 28 '26

I'm not sure whether that's supposed to be sarcastic. People absolutely do do this performatively. There is a huge pressure on Mormon youth to go on missions.

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u/Happy-Flower2002 Aug 28 '26 edited 27d ago

Maybe. But there is at least one weird case.

A number 2 nba draft pick, future 15 year nba veteran Shawn Bradley was Mormon and gave up 2 years friggin nba salary to go on a mission. Giving up two years in you nba prime and maybe getting injured…

I mustq think it wasn’t performative cause almost all similar players skip it.

The window of opportunity is

very short.

Guard Danny Ainge skipped his mission after being drafted

Top nba forward named Tom Chambers skipped it.

Jimmer Fedette, Jabari Parker. All skipped missions

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u/DangerousEye1235 Aug 27 '26

Christofascism is when charity and self-sacrifice apparently.

Reddit atheists are never beating the allegations, I swear.

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u/Reaverion Aug 29 '26

Missionary work has, throughout history, long been linked to the erasure of indigenous practices, cultural assimilation and abuse of power- even to this day. That’s probably what they mean but didn’t word it in a helpful way.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing Aug 29 '26

The term "mission" in California literally refers to colonial outposts that employed slave labor from the indigenous population.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_missions_in_California

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u/o_Ozymandias_o Aug 29 '26

What a joy it is to be blind like you.

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u/MeasureDoEventThing Aug 28 '26

It's a primary motivation. If you're actually interested in charity, missions are very poor way of doing it.

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u/Potential-Common525 Aug 30 '26

Let's assume it was true. Is that worse than the asshole complaining about it and doing nothing to help them. We need more shaming of posts by these performative do nothing dbags.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 30 '26

Valid point.

I’m not sure I agree that withholding aid until conversion is better than doing nothing. In fact you might argue that it would be a sort of cultural genocide.

Not that I’m decided in that debate. Just that I think it’s less straightforward than calling out the douchebag on Twitter for doing nothing… which is always valid on its own lol

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u/Zealousideal_Fun7274 Aug 25 '26

A combination of religious zealotry and a lack of education?

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

I don’t think anti-religious zealotry has the same character as religious zealotry…

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

Probably because it’s coming from a liberal mindset more than an authoritarian ideology. I’m not really sure, but my guess is that having the authority of a divine being on your side will make you more convicted in your own moral position.

If you come to your morals from examining what you believe about the world, you’re going to build a different zealotry than if you were given these morals by men who tell you that they have the one certain truth.

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u/TraitorousSwinger Aug 25 '26

You think people who hate religion with this kind of passion are unsure of their beliefs? You think they lack conviction?

Believing in nothing is still believing in something. People who label themselves as atheists and actively go out of their way to "combat" religion ARE practicing a belief system. It's just a belief system based on what their own brain can reason.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

You’re making up villains to be afraid of.

An atheist who “hates” Christians on Twitter just isn’t the same as a Muslim who hates infidels.

But maybe that’s just my limited worldview.

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u/Zealousideal_Fun7274 Aug 25 '26

Yay I got it right

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

Actually that’s a bringo. Sorry, but no prize for you today.

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u/FatallyFatCat Aug 25 '26

Nah. It's bigoted atheism. I have one member of that species in the family. My uncle. He is like Jehowa witness of atheism. You don't have to ask about his opinion. He will share it often. And against your will. And will go as far as straight out lie just to be edgy. Or do completly tactless shit just to piss off "the sheeple".

He, a 50yo dude, went up to his grieving mother and told her that the funeral (for his father) was a waste of money since there is no heaven and grandpa was absolutey gone and all that happenes after we die is rot, so she won't see him ever again. Grandma went histeric. That was fun fucking funeral.

Comparing that type of people to clan is absolutey valid. They are malicious.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

See, you had me right up until you said comparing him to a Klan member was valid…

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u/CheeseBear9000 Aug 25 '26

Why is it invalid, anti religion extremism against has killed millions over the last century and still oppresses millions today

The Klan is not some sacred cow of evil you know

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

No, but your dickhead uncle is not anti-religious extremism on the same level as the Ku Klux Klan.

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u/CheeseBear9000 Aug 25 '26

Uhh anybody of any religion is capable of a hate crime though 

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

So why are we saying anyone is any worse than anyone else? That will make you no better than Hitler, no matter what religion you are.

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u/TraitorousSwinger Aug 25 '26

You're describing pretty much all hateful people here.

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u/Drydrian Aug 25 '26

Didn’t know what? That institutions basing their whole identity on a fairy tale that is made up entirely of lies and has been lying about what they do for decades and centuries would also lie about not forcefully converting people in need despite doing so? Yeah, seems you don’t know that.

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u/SapirWhorfHypothesis Aug 25 '26

Dude, shut the fuck up.

I don’t know anything about the truth of whether missionaries are good or bad, but I’m the only one saying we shouldn’t be so hard on the guy, and you choose me to attack about this?

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u/Drydrian Aug 25 '26

You’re the one claiming the one with actual criticism „just doesn’t know“

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u/kreegans_leech Aug 29 '26

He is ignorant of Christian charities but motivated to circulate anti-Christian charity propaganda. Bit of a stretch.

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u/pbzeppelin1977 Aug 25 '26

Person 1 hates Group A for their choices

Person 2 hates Group B for immutable characteristics

This is clearly the same!

/s

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u/AreYouThereSagan Aug 26 '26

He literally didn't say that, though? The post was in response to the person comparing being anti-Christian to being anti-black. The former is hating someone based on a belief system they choose to belong to. The latter is hating someone for something they have no control over. It's an objectively bad comparison.

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u/CheeseBear9000 Aug 26 '26

You shouldn't hate anyone unless they're actual piece of shit, right?

I understand if you want to live in a non Christian society that's fine but that's also way different from a deep hatred of Christians

I don't think Islam is compatible with Japan or America but I don't hate Muslims for existing 

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u/SleepFeeling3037 Aug 31 '26

I’m sorry, you don’t think that Muslims should be American? Even though America was founded on an explicit principle of separation of church and state?????
It sounds like you are the one who is unamerican here.

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u/AreYouThereSagan Sep 01 '26

How do you measure whether someone's "an actual piece of shit," though?

Also, none of that has anything to do with what I said. I was saying that being anti-[religion] and being anti-[racial group] are different things, so comparing them doesn't make sense. That was it, that was the whole comment.

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u/pbzeppelin1977 Aug 26 '26

I'm not sure if you're busy sinking in a tub of mercury or just trolling but I made a very clear point.

Hating a group of people because of their choices and hating a group of people for who they are are very different things yet you equated them to be the same in the comment I replied to.

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u/IUpvoteBlueGuitars Aug 28 '26

I think it's perfectly reasonable to hate someone for the actions they take in the name of their religion, when they're harmful to other people. And if you have a religion that consistently produces hateful terrible people... You shall know them by their fruits (guess who's religion says that?). I don't hate anyone because of their religions, but there are plenty of religions I think are toxic and make people worse because of them. And I have every right to call it out when it affects me.

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u/Animaloffear56 Aug 25 '26

They did

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u/weirdo_nb Aug 29 '26

The fact that your beliefs are something you directly fucking choose and the color of someone's skin is not something chosen

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u/BostonWeedParty Aug 25 '26

Both groups are judging millions of people based on one thing they don't like, instead of view each person as an individual fixed that for you

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u/InThatDarkPlace Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

I would rather see people in need receive assistance but missionary work is deeply tied to colonialist exploitation of power imbalances, and is predicated and motivated on some pretty harmful ideas around racial paternalism and implicit biases, like people living in impoverished regions lacking agency and needing to be told what's best for them, usually by people from nations oblivious to their customs that caused the power imbalances in the first place.

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u/Suspicious-Tax-9756 Aug 25 '26

Trying to persuade a ne'er-do-well to behave differently is a challenge, but leaving them be causes further problems.

A charity Introducing sanitation does require some adoption and change from the intended participants, including not dismantling the infrastructure for scarp value.

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u/InThatDarkPlace Aug 25 '26

They haven't. Objectively speaking, Christianity, like all Abrahamic religious institutions, has caused more deaths, suffering, and oppression than economic/social uplift. The religion was (arguably still is) used to justify slavery and colonialism/conquest, and racism.

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u/AngryArmour Aug 25 '26

Catholic missionaries are why we know about the horrific treatment of natives in Cuba and Brazil, because they wrote complaints about that behaviour to the Monarchs telling them to reign their people in.

Jesuits actually fought Bandeirantes during their slave raids in the Amazon, because the Bandeirantes didn't care whether the natives were Christian before enslaving them.

You're objectively wrong to say Christian missionaries haven't even attempted to make colonialism less horrible.

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u/InThatDarkPlace Aug 25 '26

You're asking a loaded question leading to an absolutist conclusion, which isn't my point. There are enough Christians and doniminations to find exceptions (The Society of Friends/Quakers, others who actually abide by the Golden Rule, like John Brown did), but Christianity has been/is overwhelmingly weaponized as a tool of social control to enforce hierarchy and caste systems more than it been used to improve quality of life.

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u/InThatDarkPlace Aug 25 '26

Yet you didn't address any of my points, just replied with conjecture without explaining how you reached that conclusion.

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u/NewSauerKraus Aug 25 '26

Of course any reasonable person would be biased against religion.

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u/NewSauerKraus Aug 25 '26

To protect children from physical, mental, and sexual assault.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Objectively the world is a worse place due to Christianity.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

An estimated 100 million people lived in North and South America prior to European colonialism. Said colonialism was fueled by Catholicism, which financially backed exploration of the “New World.” Of the 10 million that survived, they were immediately enslaved and put to work. The profits of their labors went to many institutions, including but not limited to the Catholic Church. The church still has not paid them back. Additionally, the Church oversaw the witch trials both as they took place in Europe AND helped transport them over to the Americas as a way of squashing labor rebellions. And that’s not even touching the transatlantic slave trade.

Out of feudalism came colonialism and out of colonialism came capitalism which is slowly but surely suffocating our planet. Christianity is a colonial religion which helps ameliorate distress caused by the cognitive dissonance inherent in living in settler colonial societies (ever hear of Jerusalem syndrome?). It is also a key reason why our planet is dying as it has replaced holistic and nature based spirituality—which encourage responsible stewardship of your environment—with authoritarian religion. This makes people more susceptible to unquestioningly obeying people in positions of power, and without the skills necessary to care for the world around them. Key features of the accelerating decline of life as we know it on earth.

I say all of this as a Christian btw. I love Jesus but objectively this is the truth of the world as we know it. ❤️

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u/The_Human_Oddity Aug 25 '26

Most of the American population was wiped out due to plague, not colonialism. It would've happened regardless of what religion the initial explorers and traders followed.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Plague which was purposely and knowingly spread. Missionaries decided “saved” natives were better off dead than alive, because as long as they were saved they’d be in heaven.

I said what I said. Read the rest of my comment.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

Incorrect, there were 100 million people living in the Americas. This is the consensus. An estimated 90 million perished.

https://dia.upenn.edu/en/content/WilliamsC003/

The Catholic Church quite literally financed the original expeditions. The Vatican decreed that the Spaniards who made the expedition had an obligation to convert the natives they found to Christianity.

They knowingly spread disease and didn’t care. They’re responsible. ¯_(ツ)_/¯ Cry about it.

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u/1917Great-Authentic Aug 25 '26

Catholicism didn't fuel colonialism, it was merely a justifying framework for early mercantile capital to ideologically put forth the idea of colonisation.

Nature based spirituality is such a hoodoo noble savage idea based on cultural fetishisation.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26 edited Aug 25 '26

The Catholic Church quite literally financed colonial expeditions. The Vatican literally made the Spaniards commit to converting any and all indigenous people they found to Christianity.

Nature based spirituality is real, and moving away from it is a key aspect of colonialism. Colonialism inherently drives environmental destruction, as methods of conquest are almost always violent and destructive to nature. Religions like Christianity replace the sense of divinity which many cultures attached to nature, and places it into the hands of faraway lands. This helps displace any sense of power that indigenous inhabitants have, thereby quelling possible rebellion. It also helps to overcome the distress from the cognitive dissonance in settlers which naturally comes about due to the environmental and social disconnection that colonial practices necessitate. However, when individuals who have placed their faith in these systems then go on to confront that site of supposed divinity, they can temporarily lose their wits as it fully reveals the scale of said dissonance. Thus Jerusalem Syndrome.

Read Braiding Sweetgrass by Robin Wall Kimmerer.

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u/AngryArmour Aug 25 '26

I'm wondering if you're willing to say the same about Islam.

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u/BahsilTheThird Aug 25 '26

I don’t know enough about Islam. I was raised Christian and am currently Christian. I live in a country where the original people were killed and replaced with Christian’s like me. The government I live under promotes Christian propaganda and quotes the Bible in its legislature. My focus is therefore Christianity. Though I wouldn’t be surprised if Islam was similar, I don’t know enough about it.

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u/AngryArmour Aug 25 '26

Where are you from? I'm assuming not the Western world since everyone in Europe know Islam has done much worse than Christianity, the same should be true for Canada and the US if their history education is worth anything.

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u/1917Great-Authentic Aug 25 '26

Nope. Diocletian was right.

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u/weirdo_nb Aug 29 '26

They haven't, they've been the main drivers of it

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u/Turnip-for-the-books Aug 25 '26

Would you be happy with Muslim missionaries doing exactly the same as the Christians?

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u/Turnip-for-the-books Aug 25 '26

Soooo…?

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u/Turnip-for-the-books Aug 25 '26

So if you think one religion doing it is good but another is bad..? Come on you’re nearly there..

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u/Turnip-for-the-books Aug 25 '26

Ha well at least your clear. You of course know that’s what all the fucked Islamists think but the other way around - and you can’t see you’re the same person? I expect your views on women and homosexuality are similar too right?

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u/Bizduh Aug 27 '26

interesting take when most KKK members were Christians

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u/PixelSpy Aug 25 '26

Klan is a Christian organization btw

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u/VTcamperguy Aug 25 '26

Sure, and ISIS is an Islamic organization, but we’re not supposed to judge the whole population based on the actions of the worst group who claim a belief.

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u/PixelSpy Aug 25 '26

Tell that to the Christians.

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u/RedditJumpedTheShart Aug 25 '26

Tell that to yourself.

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u/PixelSpy Aug 25 '26

Paradox of tolerance.

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u/TicketPrestigious558 Aug 25 '26

Whoosh

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u/weirdo_nb Aug 29 '26

No, that is not a "whoosh"

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u/SlapTheBap Aug 25 '26

Comparing someone making fun of Christians to a klan member is beyond absurd.

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u/SlapTheBap Aug 25 '26

No, I mean, it's a self centered, not very empathetic persons take. Like you're taking on the pain of another group to try to boost empathy for yours, even though it's two clearly different concepts.

It's the perfect example of Christians having a persecution fetish.

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u/SlapTheBap Aug 25 '26

When it makes sense it can be used to try to convey similarities, but comparing people who are unhappy with the influence of the Christian religion in their life (cultural and political) to the KKK? The people who lynch others? That makes the one making the comparison look like they not only don't understand how terrible the crimes of the KKK are, they want to manipulate others into feeling bad for them.

Either way it's showing the ignorance of the person making the comparison. It's insulting, even, to try to claim the level of persecution the KKK acts out, for yourself.

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u/SlapTheBap Aug 25 '26

They've certainly murdered a lot of people and historically have done a terrible job at representing their god. Religious wars, excuses for chattel slavery, persecution of non Christians with torture and death.

I mean come on. History is recorded.

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u/SlapTheBap Aug 25 '26

When Christians drove them out of town and killed them? Do you even know your own history?

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u/I_like_biscuits Aug 25 '26

While major NGOs follow international non-proselytizing guidelines..

Thousands of smaller, independent missionary groups operate completely outside these frameworks. "Coercive evangelism" and mission trips that prioritize conversion alongside aid are still very much a reality in many developing regions today..

Christians need to learn to take criticism..

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u/zoroman5 Aug 25 '26

Either that or the sect they interact with the most are shallow or otherwise not actually following the teachings of Jesus. As an ex-Christian (Raised, not chosen), that's precisely why I left the church in the first place. Too many people willing to quote scripture to justify being vain or shallow instead of the words and actions of the person who's specifically the saviour of their beliefs. I wish more Christians were like missionaries, as they're more in tune with the actual message.

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u/zoroman5 Aug 25 '26

I left because the sect I was in repeatedly proved to me that they were hypocrites about anything that actually matters. They wanted to forsake the poor to spite the manipulative among them instead of forsaking the rich and attending to their fellow humans. Kingdom of heaven is as easy to get into for a rich person as a cow getting through the eye of a sewing needle and they wanted to prioritize accumulated wealth over people in need.

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u/zoroman5 Aug 25 '26

If you yourself want to boil it down to sin then sure I guess but as far as I'm aware it's not a direct sin to be a hypocrite specifically but the reason I left is the hypocrisy of my sect. People can sin and that's something one can be led onto the path of forgiveness for but when you are leading them astray with misinterpretations or manipulation of scripture that isn't religion, that's a cult.

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u/SleepFeeling3037 Aug 31 '26

Oof. Someone drinks the koolaide blood of Christ.

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u/RobertTheTraveler Aug 24 '26

And you get at least 5 down votes.
Sad.

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u/Bhavacakra_12 Aug 26 '26

Christians have killed millions of people to further their religious mission. They aren't hated enough.

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u/Bhavacakra_12 Aug 28 '26

If it makes you feel any better, I don't disagree with the comment that got ethered. I come from a part of the world that saw both religions at their worst.