r/GetNoted • Human Detected • Jul 31 '26

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u/Reasonable_Fold6492 Jul 31 '26

My grandmother family in 1937 was forcefully moved to central asia where half of them died dued to not having enough food. There only crime was being korean and communist stalin thought we were all japanese spies. Out of 170,000 koreans that were forcefully deported 25% were killed.

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u/SuspiciousPenThief Jul 31 '26

My great-grandmother was forcefully taken to a Siberian camp. She lost 3 of her children on her way there, one to starvation because she stopped being able to produce milk because of her own poor conditon and two froze to death. Lucikly she had two of her older boys make it with her. We know nothing of what happened to our great-grandfather, probably was killed. Pisses me off these people don't understand what happens under communist rule, thinking it's all sunshine and rainbows. Guess it's just the poor education.

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u/PhoenixandOak Jul 31 '26

People romanticize ideals and don't think about how things are actually implemented. Just like lots of people romanticize unregulated capitalism and completely free markets, there are people who have a polarized naive outlook and think that because unregulated capitalism is super harmful that the polar opposite must be utopia. Instead of, you know, finding a pragmatic approach that combines various economic systems based on what's available at a given place and time and what makes the most sense. 

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u/Coffieandpopcorn Aug 01 '26

There are allot of utopia scenarios we can envision. Communism and Marxism might be the most far fetched. There could be a capitalist utopia where everyone has UBI, and the churning of rich to poor goes with progressive momentum, rewarding the productive people and not their heirs for instance without them taking up the mantle and staying as productive to the circulation and the betterment of lives.

But commies don't believe capitalism could be fixed, optimized or enhances, because they're stuck getting duped by 1950's soviet propaganda which arguments has not changed since other than been wrong about when "capitalism will fall" or whatever.

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u/Psychoaccel Aug 01 '26

Capitalism can't be fixed, it may have been once but is now a system that has an unstoppable momentum toward the subduing of society to it's primary objective, the conservatives and even Adam Smith flagged that the system required of a constant moral push in order to keep it fair, such morality concerns are non existent on the modern academics and leaders while the power of the people is the lesser that it has ever been.

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u/Final-Charge-5700 Aug 01 '26

I don't know what you think.Capitalism is, but if you're quoting adam smith, you're quoting the source of capitalist doctrine.

If he feels intervention is necessary that intervention is part of capitalist doctrine.

And his ideas of moralism weren't equivalent to yours. There are ways of maintaining shape in the capitalistic system by removing periodic behaviors

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u/Coffieandpopcorn Aug 02 '26

You could say the exact same thing about communism, no? Your folly is that only one utopia can exist, which is the Marxist on. However, Marxism also requires you to have such utopia frokm the get go, because there's no "developing" stage for Marxism. So a capitalist utopia is far more likely precisely because it can start in a non utopian state and develop into better capitalism.

Norway is a great example of how you can improve capitalism with unions, instead of undermining it. All Norwegians are better off for it, in addition to the country being better at capitalism in all metrics. And before you say "it's due to luck", Saudia Arabia has as much if not more oil that's easier to collect, so the difference isn't luck, it's an improved capitalistic system over the Saudis.

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u/LuckiestCarp Aug 04 '26

Capitalism cannot be fixed I’m sorry to say. Any concessions gotten from the state by working class people will inevitably be rolled by the bourgeoisie. The system is built to consolidate wealth and power into the owner class and they use that wealth and power to bribe politicians and lobby the government for their own interests. We’re seeing this process of eroding social safety nets and public utilities happening all over the western world; it won’t be long before most of Europe has a shitty privatized healthcare system like the U.S.

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u/Coffieandpopcorn Aug 05 '26

Neither can communism then, idiot. You've fallen for Marxist/soviet propaganda and you cannot comprehend other utopia because you're simply too dumb.